Woman accuses Kavanaugh of sexual assault decades ago

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Just now, Proud Tiger said:

I can't link it or substantiate it but just read an article on FB saying that in March, 1917, Ford posted that someone should come forward and accuse Neil Gorsuch of rape  to derail his SCOTUS nomination, and that such accusations should continue until Trump nominated Merrick Garland. IF true she is toast.

Long since debunked bull****. Don’t believe everything you read. 

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25 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

Obviously I disagree. She has had plenty of time and it's now time for the circus to end. what about Kavanaugh and his family?

How has she had plenty of time?  The story just broke a few days ago.  All I'm suggesting is another week.

And for sure there's Kavanaugh's family to think about.  But to my knowledge, they aren't the ones getting death threats.  The accuser however, has been.

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5 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said:

How has she had plenty of time?  The story just broke a few days ago.  All I'm suggesting is another week.

And for sure there's Kavanaugh's family to think about.  But to my knowledge, they aren't the ones getting death threats.  The accuser however, has been.

Kavanaugh's wife has been receiving threats. People suck. 

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6 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Kavanaugh's wife has been receiving threats. People suck. 

And that's why I said "to my knowledge".  That blows.

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8 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said:

And that's why I said "to my knowledge".  That blows.

Yeah. It’s awful. Being in the spotlight these days is a double edged sword. 

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37 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said:

How has she had plenty of time?  The story just broke a few days ago.  All I'm suggesting is another week.

And for sure there's Kavanaugh's family to think about.  But to my knowledge, they aren't the ones getting death threats.  The accuser however, has been.

Kavanaugh said they had received death threats too.. That shouldn't be a surprise considering all the kooks out there who promote violence these days.

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59 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

Kavanaugh said they had received death threats too.. That shouldn't be a surprise considering all the kooks out there who promote violence these days.

Yeah, Dub pointed it out earlier.  It's why I qualified it because I wasn't sure.  Ridiculous freaking people in this world man.

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20 hours ago, AUDub said:

I'm familiar with them. You'd really be stretching those ethical rules to find any sort of violation here. 

Nola is grasping at straws.

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10 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Nola is grasping at straws.

"But Psychology Today said..."

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14 hours ago, Brad_ATX said:

I think she will.  I also think it's unreasonable to say Monday or bust for her by Rs.  There's no harm in giving her an extra week to decide.  There's a lot of personal stuff that goes into that decision, not the least of which is the potential effect on her family.

With all the furor about Ford testifying one would think that Mark Judge would get a little more attention.  Why is he refusing to testify? 

Hell he wrote a book on his experiences at the time.

‘100 Kegs or Bust’: Kavanaugh friend, Mark Judge, has spent years writing about high school debauchery

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/100-kegs-or-bust-kavanaugh-friend-has-spent-years-writing-about-high-school-debauchery/2018/09/21/a8e0fe22-bb55-11e8-a8aa-860695e7f3fc_story.html?utm_term=.bab93be29aed

 

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6 minutes ago, homersapien said:

With all the furor about Ford testifying one would think that Mark Judge would get a little more attention.  Why is he refusing to testify? 

Hell he wrote a book on his experiences at the time.

‘100 Kegs or Bust’: Kavanaugh friend, Mark Judge, has spent years writing about high school debauchery

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/100-kegs-or-bust-kavanaugh-friend-has-spent-years-writing-about-high-school-debauchery/2018/09/21/a8e0fe22-bb55-11e8-a8aa-860695e7f3fc_story.html?utm_term=.bab93be29aed

 

I mean, he was allegedly in the room. Subpoena him. 

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2 hours ago, Proud Tiger said:

Kavanaugh said they had received death threats too.. That shouldn't be a surprise considering all the kooks out there who promote violence these days.

Trump's History of Promoting Violence

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000004269364/trump-and-violence.html

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Agreement reached. She's going to appear before the committee next week. 

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20 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Agreement reached. She's going to appear before the committee next week. 

Check that. Terms aren't defined. 

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A lot of folks here need to read this.  First person account of sexual assault from Ronald Reagan's daughter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-was-sexually-assaulted-heres-why-i-dont-remember-many-of-the-details/2018/09/21/8ce0088c-bdab-11e8-8792-78719177250f_story.html?utm_term=.f12691b68df0&noredirect=on

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https://theintercept.com/2018/09/22/mark-judge-wasted-brett-kavanaugh/

Mark Judge’s Memoir About Brett Kavanaugh’s High School Portrays a Culture of Aggression and Excessive Drinking

Not long after Mark Judge graduated from Catholic University, he attended the rehearsal dinner for a close friend’s wedding in Washington, D.C. The dinner was in a private room above an Irish bar, and as soon as Judge arrived, he downed a shot of bourbon — and another and another.

The next thing he knew, it was the morning and he was in a friend’s house. He woke up in his disheveled suit from the night before. His head ached, and he could barely open his eyes.

“I had blacked out again,” Judge recalled in a memoir about his troubled youth. “I didn’t remember anything after doing the shots.”

He asked his friend, Denny, what had happened.

“You put on quite a show,” Denny said. “After doing all those shots, you tried to get up on the table and started taking your clothes off, but Shane and I pulled you down. You also tried to make it with one of the bridesmaids.”

Judge was surprised.

“I tried to make it with a bridesmaid?” he said. “Please tell me I didn’t hurt her.”...........(edit)

 

.........While the yearbook pages are somewhat cryptic — there is now a cottage industry trying to figure out what Kavanaugh meant with the phrase “devil’s triangle” on his page — Judge’s book is explicit and provides a large amount of information about the booze-drenched life of male students at Georgetown Prep and their sexist attitudes toward women (for instance, the book refers to all-girls schools as “virgin vaults”). The book is not just a memoir of Judge’s early life, but also of other students in his social circle, which clearly included Kavanaugh. Although Judge has explained that names were changed in his book to protect privacy — Georgetown Prep is referred to as Loyola Prep — there is a reference in the book to a drunken “Bart O’Kavanaugh” vomiting and passing out in a car. On his yearbook page, Judge apparently refers to Kavanaugh as Bart.

The allegation against Kavanaugh is that he sexually assaulted Ford during a drunken house party while in high school. Is this a realistic scenario? According to Judge’s book, house parties were a central component of mixing between boys and girls who attended private schools in the well-to-do Maryland suburbs (Ford attended Holton-Arms School, about five miles from Georgetown Prep). These parties were uncontrolled.

“We took turns having parties,” Judge wrote. “The word would get out that someone’s parents were going away, and the other guys would pressure them into ‘popping,’ promising to help them keep things under control. This, of course, was a joke. I had seen houses destroyed by rampaging hordes of drunken teenagers.”

Some of the parties described by Judge took place during “beach week,” when school got out for summer and students went to resort towns on the Eastern Shore of Maryland and Delaware, such as Ocean City and Rehoboth. Judge describes his first “beach week,” in the summer of his sophomore year, as a “bacchanalia of drinking and sex, or at least attempts at sex.” He wrote that during one of the parties, “guys began slam dancing, tackling each other, and drowning themselves in beer. … We lit each other’s underwear on fire, had beer fights, and barfed in the sink. A couple of guys took pictures of their penises.”

Judge’s description of the chaos and aggression of beach week appears to solve a riddle on Kavanaugh’s yearbook page, where the future Supreme Court nominee cryptically wrote “Rehobeth Police Fan Club.” Judge made clear in his book that beach weeks took place at Rehoboth, and that beach interactions with the police were regular. “Growing up with Prep boys, I had grown accustomed to dealing with cops, whether they were trying to bust up a loud keg party or were kicking us off the beach,” Judge wrote. “Most of my friends had been hauled in at one time or another.”

There appeared to be an expectation that at these alcohol-filled parties, girls’ bodies were available to the boys..........(edit)

 

......... There has been at least one telling remark from Kavanaugh about his high school years. It came during a 2015 speech he gave at Catholic University’s Columbus School of Law. “Fortunately, we had a good saying that we’ve held firm to,” Kavanaugh said. “What happens at Georgetown Prep stays at Georgetown Prep.” There was a smattering of laughter as Kavanaugh continued, “That’s been a good thing for all of us, I think.”

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1 hour ago, homersapien said:

I responded: "Therapists don't personalize their notes as a matter of practice."  which is literally accurate. In fact, therapists don't normally take notes at all. 

You deliberately left off the qualifier that makes it accurate. That was a deliberate misrepresentation.  It's dishonest weaseling and you should be ashamed for it.

 

 

As a matter of practice, therapist do take notes, given the circumstances. 

Never post misleading comments again. Understood?

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22 hours ago, Brad_ATX said:

She really hasn't had a lifetime to prep.  When this alleged event happened, do you really think she believed her attacker would be a SC nominee?  She's already on record as saying that's why she finally came forward.

So she wasnt traumatized way back in 1982, she was just traumatized when he became the SC Nominee? She wasnt dreaming of confronting her attacker while he was just a Federal Appeals Judge, or just a Schmuck in high school? Or even the next morning? That sounds very very strange that a woman that was alleged assault hasnt dreamed and dreaded the day she got to confront her abuser...But I defer to you since you seem to more knowledgeable about this than any of the women (Wife, Daughter, Sisters, and too many friends to name) that I have discussed this with... 

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1 hour ago, DKW 86 said:

So she wasnt traumatized way back in 1982, she was just traumatized when he became the SC Nominee? She wasnt dreaming of confronting her attacker while he was just a Federal Appeals Judge, or just a Schmuck in high school? Or even the next morning? That sounds very very strange that a woman that was alleged assaulted hasnt dreamed and dreaded the day she got to confront her abuser...But I defer to you since you seem to more knowledgeable about this than any of the women (Wife, Daughter, Sisters, and too many friends to name) that I have discussed this with... 

At any of those points, did she think that coming forward could so dramatically change her life and potentially put her family in danger?  That's what I'm talking about here.  You can't prep for that.

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4 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said:

At any of those points, did she think that coming forward could so dramatically change her life and potentially put her family in danger?  That's what I'm talking about here.  You can't prep for that.

It has also heavily impacted Kavanaugh and his family. IMHO all parties would be better off at this point if she had let it go.

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5 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

It has also heavily impacted Kavanaugh and his family. IMHO all parties would be better off at this point if she had let it go.

Wonder why they rarely come forward. 

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Okay folks. This has largely been a decent discussion. Let’s get back to that without the excessive pettiness. If that’s what you’re interested in, stay in the smack forum.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

Another purported witness says she has no knowledge of the alleged events. It still all boils down to she said he said. It would never fly in a court of law but unfortunately we are in the court of opinion.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/23/4th-purported-witness-claims-no-knowledge-alleged-kavanaugh-assault-against-ford.html

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20 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

Another purported witness says she has no knowledge of the alleged events. It still all boils down to she said he said. It would never fly in a court of law but unfortunately we are in the court of opinion.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/23/4th-purported-witness-claims-no-knowledge-alleged-kavanaugh-assault-against-ford.html

From the WaPo article:

"As negotiations continued, Leland Keyser, a woman Ford told The Washington Post was present at the party where she alleges Kavanaugh assaulted her, came forward to say she “does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present,” according to an email her lawyer sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee, obtained by The Post. In a brief interview at her home in Silver Spring, Keyser said that she did not recall the party, but that she was close friends with Ford and that she believes Ford’s allegation."