Trump surprises his own aides by reversing North Korea sanctions

[TitanTiger 20,499]

You asked for an example and I gave you one - the very subject the original post brought up.  And you still haven't addressed it.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

8 hours ago, Proud Tiger said:

I certainly did. I ask again, what's your next bad policy you want to address in your game YOU wanted to play.

You didn’t. And this isn’t a contest of how many can we count.  You asked, I answered, you dodged. 

[TitanTiger 20,499]

32 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

You are confused.You are the one that said "let's play." Playing IS a contest. You referred to Trump's failed foreign policies (plural). You have no way of knowing yet if the NK sanctions are good or bad so you fail on your first "failed policy" and just want to play dodge ball.

 

 

Reading is fundamental. I said nothing of the sort. Here’s my quote:

“Ok, let’s play. Yes, just like that. Where have you been as Trump pulls his version of foreign policy stupidity?”

Nothing plural. Simply asked you about this situation addressed in the original post. I know moving the goalposts is one of your go-to moves, but I’m not here for it. 

[TitanTiger 20,499]

17 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

Accusations such as "moving the goalposts is part of YOUR MO. So tell me again.....what foreign policy stupidity do you think Trump has pulled.

Well, the accusation happens to stick.

And again, I've told you several times what I'm talking about - this wishy washy, back and forth addressed in the original post.  Stop wasting my time with your obtuse weirdness in discussions.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

Look, I've got other things to do and I'm not going to keep going round and round with you on this.  

[TitanTiger 20,499]

Just now, Proud Tiger said:

You started it and now cop out. Can't even simply say what failed Trump policy.

To start with, I said "foreign policy stupidity."  And I've said a dozen times now that I'm referring to what was mentioned in the original post.  At this point, I have to believe you're just being deliberately annoying.  This discussion is over.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

3 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

I fully understand that you are referring to the OP about Trump removing some sanctions against NK.

If this is the case, stop saying dumb s*** like "you can't even name the failed Trump foreign policy."

 

3 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

How do you know this is bad and how can you say it's stupid since I don't think you are an authority in this area. I assume it is just your opinion

I already explained this:

"Let’s start with this move - reversing the sanctions his own administration put in place just one day later. Either he doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing, doesn’t have a clue what his staff is doing, didn’t think it through the first time, or is out of his depth. It’s a bungle you’d never let a Dem get away with. "

It's amateur hour.  At best it speaks of miscommunication and confusion between the President and his own administration.  Or, it makes him appear wishy-washy and fickle.  At worst, it makes him look confused and clueless.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

1 minute ago, Proud Tiger said:

1. It's not dumb to say you can't name a failed Trump policy since you haven't. As I said you can't say it's a bad policy because it just went into effect and you only have an uneducated OPINION whether it's good or bad. What's so bad about saying it's your OPINION?

If you say you fully understand what I've been referring to, then the above is completely irrelevant.

 

1 minute ago, Proud Tiger said:

2. Does he have to accept everything his advisors say? I hope not. Do you always accept everything your "advisors" tell you. We elected Trump not his advisors and it is my opinion his foreign policy has been great so far.

Presidents who understand how to manage foreign policy don't allow their advisors/staff to announce things until they've fully signed off on them.  They understand that an administration has to speak with one voice and that voice is decided by the President.  To have your staff announcing sanctions and then a day later you're contradicting them speaks of a President who either doesn't know what his staff is doing, or can't make up his mind and that simply is not an option in this arena.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

3 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

So you are saying his advisors or the decision process was dumb. That's entirely different than saying Trump's foreign policy is a failure.

I believe I used the word "stupidity."  And this clown show we've just witnessed is exactly that:  foreign policy stupidity.  Do you even read the posts you respond to before running off at the keyboard?

Also, I'm saying he either doesn't have control of his advisors, doesn't keep up with what his advisors are doing, or is confused on what he wants to do.  None of the options are good.

 

 

[homersapien 11,393]

13 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

I believe I used the word "stupidity."  And this clown show we've just witnessed is exactly that:  foreign policy stupidity.  Do you even read the posts you respond to before running off at the keyboard?

Also, I'm saying he either doesn't have control of his advisors, doesn't keep up with what his advisors are doing, or is confused on what he wants to do.  None of the options are good.

 

 

Correct!  I just finished reading Cliff Sim's "A Team of Vipers".

Trump's administration really is a clown show.  With venomous, back stabbing clowns.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

2 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

Disagreeing with your advisors or the process is different than "foreign policy stupidity." surely you know that advice/process is different than the resulting policy.

You disagree with your advisors in private and then when the policy is announced, the entire administration speaks with a unified voice.  You don't disagree, let them announce one thing, then renege on it the very next day.  That is stupid with a capital "S."  If that's how he operates, it's stupid.  If he's clueless or surprised about what they're doing and saying to the public such that he has to contradict them a day later, that's also stupid.

 

2 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

So can you say that the NK POLICY is stupid?

Quit trying to move the goalposts again.  I'm discussing how he's handling foreign policy.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

3 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

!. I haven't disagreed about the process. But you are waffling. You said his "stupid foreign policy"

I said "foreign policy stupidity."  I didn't name a policy.  I referred to the handling of foreign policy such as what the original post pointed out.

 

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but  still can't say why the POLICY is stupid, only the process in this case. Now you want to say you're discussing  "handling" foreign policy. Handling and the resulting policy are two different things. I think you know that.

Because you keep yammering about something I never brought up and that is your fault, not mine.  You type before reading and comprehending what you're responding to.

Let me see if I can say this in a way that finally gets through to you:

Even if what his staff announced was terrible and wrong, and Trump’s reversal of it was 100% the right call, this entire situation is stupid and it's on him.  If he allows his staff to announce things without his approval, it’s stupid.  If he’s clueless, not on top of things and doesn’t know what his staff is announcing to the point of having to reverse it a day later, it’s stupid.

This stupidity is true regardless of what the actual policy is.

Are we clear yet?

[TitanTiger 20,499]

Just now, Proud Tiger said:

Wow talk about dodging. The OP was clearly about the NK policy so are you denying that's not the policy we are talking about?

Do you not understand the difference between the process used and the eventual policy?

Heck Gus might have a bad practice one week and not listen to his assistants. But if he wins that Saturday was the "practice" stupid?

I've not dodged for even a millisecond.

I want you to go back and read my posts in this thread and see how dumb you sound.  I never mentioned a specific policy.  I never said I was talking about some unnamed (by me) policy.  I said "foreign policy stupidity."  Then when you pressed me on it, I told you what stupidity I was talking about and referred to what went down that the original post referred to.  I've repeatedly told you this was what I was talking about and why, and now you have the nerve to say I'm dodging?

Should have stuck with my earlier instinct on this when I sniffed out your typical thread killing bull**** and said this discussion was over.  This time it is.  Don't respond to me on this any further.

[japantiger 4,051]

4 hours ago, TitanTiger said:

If this is the case, stop saying dumb s*** like "you can't even name the failed Trump foreign policy."

 

I already explained this:

"Let’s start with this move - reversing the sanctions his own administration put in place just one day later. Either he doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing, doesn’t have a clue what his staff is doing, didn’t think it through the first time, or is out of his depth. It’s a bungle you’d never let a Dem get away with. "

It's amateur hour.  At best it speaks of miscommunication and confusion between the President and his own administration.  Or, it makes him appear wishy-washy and fickle.  At worst, it makes him look confused and clueless.

Trump Foreign policy Pros:

• ISIS destroyed...the Caliphate is no more
• No more NK Nuke or missile tests as a direct results of Trumps direction on North Korean sanctions; regional allies are happier; walked back from the brink of nuclear confrontation that 4 decades of administrations created.
• NATO funding commits of over $100B more over the next 2 years; new realization in NATO of the threats that Russia poses the alliance
• US embassy moved to Jerusalem defacto declaring Jerusalem the capital of Israel; and the Golan recognized as Israel territory
• Peace talks underway to end war in Afghanistan after 18 years
• Iran nuke deal ended ... Iran confronted in the region
• Russia put in its place in the ME/Syria....Trump has killed more Russians in the field than any US president in the last 40 years
• Sent lethal weapons to the Ukraine that his predecessor would not to stop RU aggression
• Enforced Obama's red-line; well more like pink, line;  in Syria and bombed Assad chemical infrastructure
• ME Travel ban on 6 countries that keeps undocumented/unvetted immigrants out of the US
• Rolled back bad Cuba policies
• Re-stabilized Iraq
• Put China in its place on trade and tariffs
• Declared emergency on southern US border to build the wall
• Ramped US oil production and exports; impacting/reducing both ME and RU leverage on the US and allied policies
• Sanctioned Venezuela and Obama's socialist fanboy Maduro for exploiting his people

Trump foreign policy Cons:

• Reversed treasury on new NK sanctions last week

 

 

 

 

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

5 hours ago, japantiger said:

Trump Foreign policy Pros:

• ISIS destroyed...the Caliphate is no more
• No more NK Nuke or missile tests as a direct results of Trumps direction on North Korean sanctions; regional allies are happier; walked back from the brink of nuclear confrontation that 4 decades of administrations created.
• NATO funding commits of over $100B more over the next 2 years; new realization in NATO of the threats that Russia poses the alliance
• US embassy moved to Jerusalem defacto declaring Jerusalem the capital of Israel; and the Golan recognized as Israel territory
• Peace talks underway to end war in Afghanistan after 18 years
• Iran nuke deal ended ... Iran confronted in the region
• Russia put in its place in the ME/Syria....Trump has killed more Russians in the field than any US president in the last 40 years
• Sent lethal weapons to the Ukraine that his predecessor would not to stop RU aggression
• Enforced Obama's red-line; well more like pink, line;  in Syria and bombed Assad chemical infrastructure
• ME Travel ban on 6 countries that keeps undocumented/unvetted immigrants out of the US
• Rolled back bad Cuba policies
• Re-stabilized Iraq
• Put China in its place on trade and tariffs
• Declared emergency on southern US border to build the wall
• Ramped US oil production and exports; impacting/reducing both ME and RU leverage on the US and allied policies
• Sanctioned Venezuela and Obama's socialist fanboy Maduro for exploiting his people

Trump foreign policy Cons:

• Reversed treasury on new NK sanctions last week

 

 

 

 

Thank you. Titan's response will be interesting since he is deleting all my responses to his last post.

[japantiger 4,051]

More support for Trump's Iran policies from that right wing rag; the New York Times....

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/opinion/iran-us-foreign-policy.html

It’s been nearly a year since Donald Trump made the decision to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal, to loud cries that it would bring nothing but woe to the United States and our interests in the Middle East.

So far, the result has been closer to the opposite.

That much was further made clear thanks to excellent reporting this week by The Times’s Ben Hubbard. “Iran’s financial crisis, exacerbated by American sanctions,” he writes from Lebanon, “appears to be undermining its support for militant groups and political allies who bolster Iranian influence in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and elsewhere.”

[TitanTiger 20,499]

On 3/25/2019 at 4:25 PM, japantiger said:

No more NK Nuke or missile tests as a direct results of Trumps direction on North Korean sanctions; regional allies are happier; walked back from the brink of nuclear confrontation that 4 decades of administrations created.

Images show North Korea missile launch as Pyongyang tests Trump

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/05/politics/north-korea-missile-launch-image/index.html

[TitanTiger 20,499]

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

2 hours ago, TitanTiger said:

[Mikey 16,638]

On 5/5/2019 at 4:43 PM, TitanTiger said:

Images show North Korea missile launch as Pyongyang tests Trump

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/05/politics/north-korea-missile-launch-image/index.html

It's a fluid situation and roughly six weeks has passed since the comment you quoted. Does this qualify as an un-cricket?

[TitanTiger 20,499]

19 minutes ago, Mikey said:

It's a fluid situation and roughly six weeks has passed since the comment you quoted. Does this qualify as an un-cricket?

When you put out there as proof of Trump's effectiveness at handling NK that there haven't been launches, and then inside a month and a half they're launching again, I think it goes to illustrate that such confidence was misplaced.  Then when 4-5 days go by with no comment, the cricket jab seemed warranted. 

[Mikey 16,638]

3 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

When you put out there as proof of Trump's effectiveness at handling NK that there haven't been launches, and then inside a month and a half they're launching again, I think it goes to illustrate that such confidence was misplaced.  Then when 4-5 days go by with no comment, the cricket jab seemed warranted. 

We are dealing with two loose cannons as heads of state. As an experienced person once told me in WDC when discussing visits to members of congress: "Expect the unexpected". There will be wild rides. Six weeks of relative stability between the USA and NK may be a record that stands for some time.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

9 minutes ago, Mikey said:

We are dealing with two loose cannons as heads of state. As an experienced person once told me in WDC when discussing visits to members of congress: "Expect the unexpected". There will be wild rides. Six weeks of relative stability between the USA and NK may be a record that stands for some time.

I don't disagree.  But the post I responded to didn't have your more balanced outlook on the situation.

[homersapien 11,393]

2 hours ago, Mikey said:

We are dealing with two loose cannons as heads of state. As an experienced person once told me in WDC when discussing visits to members of congress: "Expect the unexpected". There will be wild rides. Six weeks of relative stability between the USA and NK may be a record that stands for some time.

BS. 

Over the last 50 years there have been many periods of "relative stability" between the US and North Korea that lasted longer than "6 weeks". 

In fact, nothing really has changed except we've given the murderous tyrant Kim Jong Un a world stage as the head of what amounts to a giant prison camp.

 

[Mikey 16,638]

11 hours ago, homersapien said:

BS. 

Over the last 50 years there have been many periods of "relative stability" between the US and North Korea that lasted longer than "6 weeks". 

In fact, nothing really has changed except we've given the murderous tyrant Kim Jong Un a world stage as the head of what amounts to a giant prison camp.

 

Not much on reading comprehension are you? I wrote this, third post above: "We are dealing with two loose cannons as heads of state."

That hasn't been the case for the past 50 years but that's the current situation so looking back is not a valid comparison.