Stidham's problem was Auburn's offense

[Randman5000 4,228]

https://247sports.com/college/auburn/Article/Jarret-Stidham-2019-NFL-Draft-New-England-Patriots-131759322/

[doverstutts 1,643]

i rest my case!

“That offense at Auburn, I’m not sure what the hell it is,” Lombardi said. “They run power, they run unbalanced… That offense, seriously, it might be one of the worst offenses in football. You can’t evaluate a quarterback. They can’t train a quarterback. That’s the other thing. He can’t train him."

[CR 2,442]

That's gonna make some folks here unhappy. I think he's spot on.

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12 minutes ago, CR said:

That's gonna make some folks here unhappy. I think he's spot on.

I dont think the offense is terrible  seems to give saban fits when he plays us more than any other team on his schedule.  I dont think its best for evaluating a QB  but that doesn't make the offense terrible.   

[Gowebb11 9,321]

This offense has played for 2 national championships, so terrible it ain’t. On the other hand, I can’t argue with the premise that it doesn’t exactly have a track record of getting QBs NFL ready. Then again, there aren’t many NFL starting QBs from the Saban/Meyer systems either. 

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One man's opinion doesn't carry much weight in my book. Cam and Nick didn't have much of a problem with the offense.

[Mikey 16,598]

The job of Auburn's offense is to score points for Auburn. Historically, this has been the best offense ever at Auburn. Check out some of the many posts stat tiger has made on the subject.

The job of Auburn's offense is not to get guys ready for the NFL. If NFL coaches/evaluators don't like Auburn's offense, they can go pound sand.

[toddc 13,194]

It seems to me that I’ve seen a lot of spreads in the NFL the last few years and they have a lot in common with our offense.

[aujeff11 6,243]

29 minutes ago, toddc said:

It seems to me that I’ve seen a lot of spreads in the NFL the last few years and they have a lot in common with our offense.

Spread offense schemes and concepts are infiltrating the NFL no doubt about that. Players like Baker, Desean, etc are great in spread offenses and GM’s would be foolish to make them “.pro style.”  Kyler and Kliff will be interesting to watch. Scouts maybe don’t know how to evaluate for the spread offense, which may cause anger when they see it. I don’t know. 

 

With that said, Gus wasn’t the only problem for Stidham. There were times where he could only blame himself such as against Tennessee when the offense was moving but he couldn’t protect the football. Or when he would run into sacks. I’m sure Gus wishes things went differently but that’s football, and he doesn’t owe Stidham an apology.

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46 minutes ago, toddc said:

It seems to me that I’ve seen a lot of spreads in the NFL the last few years and they have a lot in common with our offense.

The difference is NFL teams incorporate "spread" and read option concepts into a broader offensive philosophy. 

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2 hours ago, Gowebb11 said:

This offense has played for 2 national championships, so terrible it ain’t. On the other hand, I can’t argue with the premise that it doesn’t exactly have a track record of getting QBs NFL ready. Then again, there aren’t many NFL starting QBs from the Saban/Meyer systems either. 

There aren’t many starting QB’s from the SEC in general. 

[abw0004 10,113]

In a few years that narrative will change.  NFL is slowly turning to the spread offense.  

[Tiger Refuge 6,663]

One would be dumb to deny that Gus’ offense has struggled and been inconsistent. All you have to do is look at the stats. Also, it is equally dumb to claim that his offense is one of the “worst” in football. Also, see stats. 

*ETA- I’m not sure what he is using as his qualifier to claim this offense as the “worst”. Is it purely evaluating a qb? Is it production? Is it just some gasbag on the radio trying to generate clicks? Can pro Gus folks count Cam? Can anti Gus folks point to the drop in production last year? 

 

Elephino...I’m only here for the music and refreshments.

[AU-24 3,091]

If the problem with Stidham was AU’s offense, he would’ve went in the first or second round. As it is, he went very late in the fourth round, almost a fifth round draft pick.  He was seriously evaluated  by NFL teams, and deemed to be at best, a fourth round draft pick. 

That isn’t because Auburn has a problem with her offense. That same offense beat Alabama and Georgia the year before with a 4th round draft pick QB. That same Auburn offense beat Texas A&M last year and beat Purdue by how many points and the music city bowl?

[Win4AU 4,052]

Purdue says 👋 

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9 hours ago, Randman5000 said:

https://247sports.com/college/auburn/Article/Jarret-Stidham-2019-NFL-Draft-New-England-Patriots-131759322/

 

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1 minute ago, SlocombTiger said:

 

 

[I_M4_AU 7,828]

Just looking at Stidham; he showed promise in the first game with Washington.  He had issues with LSU throwing a pick in his first drive last year.  It seemed that is when the offense wasn’t sure were it was going for most of the rest of the season.  It was obvious, even to the casual observer, the cohesiveness on the offensive coaching staff was a not at its peak and it showed in Stidham’s attitude.

Add to this; Stidham, as reported by Gus after the season, was hurt during the season.  I don’t know if Gus’ statement was to make an excuse for Stidham or not .  Stidham’s production went down last year, but I believe it had more to do with the rift between Gus and Chip earlier in the season than being hurt.

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5 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Add to this; Stidham, as reported by Gus after the season, was hurt during the season.  I don’t know if Gus’ statement was to make an excuse for Stidham or not .  Stidham’s production went down last year, but I believe it had more to do with the rift between Gus and Chip earlier in the season than being hurt.

This was true.  Happened in the Washington game to his shoulder in the second half I believe.  It’s when he tried to stretch out.  Similar to the KJ injury the season prior in the Alabama game.  

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Remember when seattle in 2013  took one of Gus's plays that  Nick marshall threw to Sammy coates during the iron bowl.  Almost a fake run that was a pass.    What a terrible Offensive coach we have. 

[toddc 13,194]

1 hour ago, Tiger Refuge said:

One would be dumb to deny that Gus’ offense has struggled and been inconsistent. All you have to do is look at the stats. Also, it is equally dumb to claim that his offense is one of the “worst” in football. Also, see stats. 

*ETA- I’m not sure what he is using as his qualifier to claim this offense as the “worst”. Is it purely evaluating a qb? Is it production? Is it just some gasbag on the radio trying to generate clicks? Can pro Gus folks count Cam? Can anti Gus folks point to the drop in production last year? 

 

Elephino...I’m only here for the music and refreshments.

Here’s a few of Auburn’s stats while CGM has been here!

One of the most innovative offensive minds in football, Malzahn’s high-powered offense has averaged 450 yards of total offense and 33 points per game in his five seasons at Auburn.

He has produced 15 1,000-yard rushers in 11 seasons as a college coach, at least one in each season, including Heisman Trophy finalist Tre Mason (1,816) and Nick Marshall (1,068) in 2013 and Cameron-Artis Payne (1,608) in 2014. Kamryn Pettway ran for 1,123 yards in 2016 despite missing significant time with injuries and Kerryon Johnson led the SEC with 1,320 yards in 2017.

On three occasions, he has had two 1,000-yard rushers in the same season: 2013 (Auburn), 2010 (Auburn) and 2006 (Arkansas) and this year, in addition to Pettway, Kerryon Johnson notched 862 rushing yards. Malzahn has also coached five 1,000-yard receivers and three 3,000-yard passers. His 2007 Tulsa team had three 1,000-yard receivers.

Since Malzahn’s arrival, Auburn has the top rushing offense in the SEC, averaging 253.9 yards per game. In 2013, Auburn led the nation in rushing at 328.3 yards per game, the first SEC team ever to do so. Three of the top six team rushing totals in SEC history (2010, 2013, 2016) have come under Malzahn’s leadership.

Auburn was just the second team in SEC history to gain more than 7,000 yards of total offense in a season in 2013, finishing the year with 7,018 yards; the other was Texas A&M in 2012.

The Tigers set a school record with 48 rushing touchdowns in 2013 and set a school record against SEC opponents with 677 yards of total offense vs. No. 5 Missouri in the SEC Championship Game. The Tigers set SEC Championship Game team records with 26 rushing first downs, 74 rushing attempts, 545 rushing yards and seven rushing touchdowns.

Tre Mason, a Heisman Trophy finalist and SEC Player of the Year in 2013, ranked third in the nation with 23 touchdowns, was fifth nationally with 1,816 yards rushing, sixth with 10.7 points per game, sixth with 169.57 all-purpose yards per game and eighth with 129.7 rushing yards per game. Mason set the Auburn single-season record with 1,816 rushing yards and 2,374 all-purpose yards, is second with 317 rushing attempts. His 46 rushing attempts and 304 rushing yards vs. No. 5 Missouri set SEC Championship Game records and fell three yards shy of the Auburn record.

In his five seasons, a total of 20 players have been selected in the National Football League draft, first round picks Greg Robinson (No. 2 overall) and Dee Ford (No. 23) of the 2014 draft. This past spring, offensive lineman Braden Smith, running back Kerryon Johnson and defensive back Carlton Davis were all taken in the second round of the 2018 draft.

Malzahn has coached 10 All-Americans as head coach at Auburn: RB Tre Mason (2013), RS Chris Davis (2013), C Reese Dismukes (2014), PK Daniel Carlson (2015-16-17), DL Carl Lawson (2016), DL Montravious Adams (2016), OL Braden Smith (2016-17), DB Carlton Davis (2017), DL Jeff Holland (2017), and RB Kerryon Johnson (2017). Dismukes was named the 2014 Rimington Award winner as the nation’s top center and Carlson was a three-time Lou Groza Award finalist.

The Tigers have faced the nation’s most difficult schedule collectively during Malzahn’s five years on the Plains facing 28 ranked opponents, including 15 in the top 10. Auburn was the nation’s only program in 2016 to face both the No. 1 and No. 2 ranked programs and in 2017 it faced three of the four CFP Semifinalists a total of four times, earning two wins.

Malzahn has his coaching staff have been highly successful on the recruiting trail, recording five consecutive Top 10 nationally ranked recruiting classes, a first in the program’s history.

Academically, Malzahn’s Tigers have excelled as 100-plus players have graduated since his arrival. In the fall 2016 semester a program-best 56 players posted a 3.0 grade point average.

Malzahn, who won the Broyles Award as the nation’s top assistant coach in 2010 while helping the Tigers to the national title, returned to Auburn after serving as the head coach at Arkansas State in 2012, where he led the program to the Sun Belt Conference title.

As offensive coordinator, Malzahn made an immediate impact during his tenure at Auburn, highlighted by a record-setting offense in 2010 when the Tigers finished 14-0 and claimed the school’s first national title since 1957.

Malzahn’s arrival in 2009 and style of offense marked a drastic turnaround from the 2008 season when Auburn struggled offensively. In a two-year period, the Tigers improved from a tie for 110th to seventh in the nation in scoring offense (from 17.3 to 41.2) and from 104th to seventh in total offense.

The 2010 Auburn offense set nine school records, while leading the SEC and finished in the top 10 nationally in six statistical categories. He coached Heisman Trophy winner Cam Newton, who had one of the best single-season performances at the position in college football history. Newton threw for 2,908 yards and 30 touchdowns, while rushing for 1,586 yards and 20 TDs. Newton, the No. 1 overall draft pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, also won the Davey O’Brien, Manning and Maxwell Awards

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37 minutes ago, abw0004 said:

This was true.  Happened in the Washington game to his shoulder in the second half I believe.  It’s when he tried to stretch out.  Similar to the KJ injury the season prior in the Alabama game.  

If this is true (and I’m not saying it isn’t) why wouldn’t Gus get Joey ready last year with some real live playing time?  It was obvious Gus did not have any confidence in MW just by the way he dogged Malik when he came off the field.  When Stidham was ineffective against MSU and Tennessee, he was painful to watch, yet Gus would not replace Stidham.  Why?  Gus reports the Joey is something special in live action (as we saw in the Purdue game), so why not get a change of pace QB in the MSU game?  It could have worked wonders.

If Joey is as good as people say, it was a waste to red shirt him last year when the starting QB was nursing a shoulder problem.  Gus’ roster management and in game decisions are what I am most interest in seeing if he really has changed his approach.  He’s got all the talent he needs and if we sustain another KJ type injury like in last season’s Bama game there is no excuse to trot an injured player out there.

Now where is my blood pressure meds?

[aujeff11 6,243]

 

14 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

If Joey is as good as people say, it was a waste to red shirt him last year when the starting QB was nursing a shoulder problem. 

 

14 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Now where is my blood pressure meds?

You’re getting worked up over something that may not be true? Joey didn’t show up  ready to play last year. Even had his number taken away. Lastly, I believe he had a thumb injury at this time as well. 

[aubiefifty 16,791]

Mike Lombardi from what i read is a joke. i believe he is unemployed and from what i read on the rant the guy has failed more than a couple of times at jobs he has held in the nfl and been fired. so just how damn expert is he if he cannot keep a job? i think this is nothing more than a "look at me" type statement hoping to get a job as some sort of commentator or analyst. i am also pretty sure many folks said stidham was ready to play before he ever walked on the auburn campus. is it not reasonable to say most qb's that hope to make it to the pro's probably already knew of nfl receiver routes or route tree's if you will. he also worked with qb guru's several times so i just do not believe gus bears any blame. the only honest shade i believe can be thrown against auburn was the oline was terrible most of the year and stidham got rattled and played too nervous. i would never say stidham is a coward because like some say but i do believe his happy feet should have gotten him a couple of scholly offers from dance schools.............

[I_M4_AU 7,828]

1 minute ago, aujeff11 said:

 

 

You’re getting worked up over something that may not be true? Joey didn’t show up  ready to play last year. Even had his number taken away. Lastly, I believe he had a thumb injury at this time as well. 

Could be, captain of the Joey fan club, but I still will be interested in how Gus handles his roster and in game decisions for next year to see if he really has evolved.  Playing Stidham when he was soooooo ineffective was still painful to watch even though it was the defenses fault we lost the MSU game.  😜