Great moments in Democratic Party History

[DKW 86 7,907]

Remember who ordered the Water hoses on the Protesters?

Remember who used to be a Grand Dragon of the KKK, Senator Byrd?

Who let these dogs out Mr. Democrat?

What party denied an education to African-Americans then and now insists they stay in run down, poorly administered inner city schools?

Wonder what party the b*****d that killed these girls belonged to?

What party was in power when these signs were common in the South?

What party ordered these beatings at the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma on what is now called "Bloody Sunday"?

[TexasTiger 14,303]

Remember who ordered the Water hoses on the Protesters?

Remember who used to be a Grand Dragon of the KKK, Senator Byrd?

Who let these dogs out Mr. Democrat?

What party denied an education to African-Americans then and now insists they stay in run down, poorly administered inner city schools?

Wonder what party the b*****d that killed these girls belonged to?

What party was in power when these signs were common in the South?

What party ordered these beatings at the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma on what is now called "Bloody Sunday"?

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In an interview before he died, Wallace said he'd run as a Republican if he were still active. You don't think Bull Conner would sport a Kerry bumper sticker if he were alive, do you?

You look to a time when the Republican party was virtually nonexistent in the South and thus, every elected official was a Democrat, but you display a woeful ignorance of the history of the rise your chosen party in the South. Why did Strom Thurmond change parties? Why did he run as a Dixiecrat in 1948 against Truman? When did the Solid South end being Democratic?

[Auburn85 436]

Oh my God! The klan has an American flag! Let's take it out of public view before people of color are offended.

[Tiger Al 0]

It's official...David has lost it!!!

I assume, however, that you didn't come up with this walk down memory lane all by yourself. Is this the latest Sean Hannity e-mailing?

This from Wikipedia for the historically challenged:

The States' Rights Democratic Party was a short-lived splinter group that broke from the Democratic Party in 1948. The States' Rights Democratic Party opposed racial integration and wanted to retain Jim Crow laws and racial segregation. The party slogan was "Segregation Forever!" Members of the States' Rights Democratic Party, were often known as Dixiecrats.

The party was formed after thirty-five delegates from Mississippi and Alabama walked out of the 1948 Democratic National Convention. Even before the convention started, the Southern delegates were upset by President Harry S. Truman's executive order to racially integrate the armed forces. The walkout was prompted by a controversial speech by Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota urging the party to adopt an anti-segregationist plank in the platform.

After President Truman's endorsement of the civil rights plank, Strom Thurmond, governor of South Carolina, helped organize the walkout delegates into a separate party, whose platform was ostensibly concerned with states' rights. The Dixiecrats held their convention in Birmingham, Alabama, where they nominated Thurmond for president and Fielding L. Wright, governor of Mississippi, for vice president. Dixiecrat leaders worked to have Thurmond-Wright declared the "official" Democratic Party ticket in Southern states. They succeeded only in Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina; in other states, they were forced to run as a third-party ticket. These included Arkansas, whose governor-elect, Sid McMath, a young prosecutor and decorated World War II Marine veteran, vigorously supported Truman in speeches across the region, much to the consternation of the sitting governor, Ben Laney, an ardent Thurmond supporter. Laney later used McMath's pro-Truman stance against him during his 1950 re-election bid which McMath won handily. Efforts to paint other Truman loyalists as "turncoats" generally failed, although the seeds of discontent were planted which in years to come took their toll on Southern moderates, among them Congressman Brooks Hays of the Second (central) District of Arkansas, whose efforts at reconciliation during the 1957 Little Rock School Crisis made him vulnerable to defeat in 1958 by a segregationist surrogate fielded by forces loyal to then-Governor Orval Faubus, whose justification for using the national guard to bar entry to black pupils in defiance of a federal court order echoed much of the 1948 Dixiecrat platform.

On election day 1948, the Thurmond-Wright ticket carried the previously solid Democratic states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina, receiving 1,169,021 popular votes and 39 electoral votes. The split in the Democratic party in the 1948 election was seen as virtually guaranteeing a victory by the Republican nominee, Thomas E. Dewey of New York, yet Truman won re-election in an upset.

The Dixiecrat Party largely dissolved after the 1948 election. Thurmond, and many other Dixiecrats, later joined the Republican Party. Nevertheless, the split in the Democratic party was permanent, eventually resulting in the loss of the South as a Democratic stronghold after 1956. In the 1960s, the courting of formerly Democratic white Southern voters was the basis of the "southern strategy" by Richard Nixon. Republican Barry Goldwater carried the Deep South in 1964, despite losing in a landslide in the rest of the nation to Lyndon Johnson of Texas. The only Democratic presidential candidate after 1956 to solidly carry the Deep South was Jimmy Carter in the 1976 election.

[TexasTiger 14,303]

Remember who ordered the Water hoses on the Protesters?

Remember who used to be a Grand Dragon of the KKK, Senator Byrd?

Who let these dogs out Mr. Democrat?

What party denied an education to African-Americans then and now insists they stay in run down, poorly administered inner city schools?

Wonder what party the b*****d that killed these girls belonged to?

What party was in power when these signs were common in the South?

What party ordered these beatings at the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma on what is now called "Bloody Sunday"?

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You know, David, that is largely a pictorial history of your home state-- your deeply red, solidly Republican home state, whose solidly Republican voters recently voted to keep this phrase in it's constitution:

"Separate schools shall be provided for white and colored children, and no child of either race shall be permitted to attend a school of the other race."

[DKW 86 7,907]

   

It's official...David  has lost it!!!

I assume, however, that you didn't come up with this walk down memory lane all by yourself. Is this the latest Sean Hannity e-mailing?

This from Wikipedia for the historically challenged:

The States' Rights Democratic Party was a short-lived splinter group that broke from the Democratic Party in 1948. The States' Rights Democratic Party opposed racial integration and wanted to retain Jim Crow laws and racial segregation. The party slogan was "Segregation Forever!" Members of the States' Rights Democratic Party, were often known as Dixiecrats.

The party was formed after thirty-five delegates from Mississippi and Alabama walked out of the 1948 Democratic National Convention. Even before the convention started, the Southern delegates were upset by President Harry S. Truman's executive order to racially integrate the armed forces. The walkout was prompted by a controversial speech by Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota urging the party to adopt an anti-segregationist plank in the platform.

After President Truman's endorsement of the civil rights plank, Strom Thurmond, governor of South Carolina, helped organize the walkout delegates into a separate party, whose platform was ostensibly concerned with states' rights. The Dixiecrats held their convention in Birmingham, Alabama, where they nominated Thurmond for president and Fielding L. Wright, governor of Mississippi, for vice president. Dixiecrat leaders worked to have Thurmond-Wright declared the "official" Democratic Party ticket in Southern states. They succeeded only in Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina; in other states, they were forced to run as a third-party ticket. These included Arkansas, whose governor-elect, Sid McMath, a young prosecutor and decorated World War II Marine veteran, vigorously supported Truman in speeches across the region, much to the consternation of the sitting governor, Ben Laney, an ardent Thurmond supporter. Laney later used McMath's pro-Truman stance against him during his 1950 re-election bid which McMath won handily. Efforts to paint other Truman loyalists as "turncoats" generally failed, although the seeds of discontent were planted which in years to come took their toll on Southern moderates, among them Congressman Brooks Hays of the Second (central) District of Arkansas, whose efforts at reconciliation during the 1957 Little Rock School Crisis made him vulnerable to defeat in 1958 by a segregationist surrogate fielded by forces loyal to then-Governor Orval Faubus, whose justification for using the national guard to bar entry to black pupils in defiance of a federal court order echoed much of the 1948 Dixiecrat platform.

On election day 1948, the Thurmond-Wright ticket carried the previously solid Democratic states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina, receiving 1,169,021 popular votes and 39 electoral votes. The split in the Democratic party in the 1948 election was seen as virtually guaranteeing a victory by the Republican nominee, Thomas E. Dewey of New York, yet Truman won re-election in an upset.

The Dixiecrat Party largely dissolved after the 1948 election. Thurmond, and many other Dixiecrats, later joined the Republican Party. Nevertheless, the split in the Democratic party was permanent, eventually resulting in the loss of the South as a Democratic stronghold after 1956. In the 1960s, the courting of formerly Democratic white Southern voters was the basis of the "southern strategy" by Richard Nixon. Republican Barry Goldwater carried the Deep South in 1964, despite losing in a landslide in the rest of the nation to Lyndon Johnson of Texas. The only Democratic presidential candidate after 1956 to solidly carry the Deep South was Jimmy Carter in the 1976 election.

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And what would 1948 have to do with the 1960s? We were discussing the 60s...

[DKW 86 7,907]

Remember who ordered the Water hoses on the Protesters?

Remember who used to be a Grand Dragon of the KKK, Senator Byrd?

Who let these dogs out Mr. Democrat?

What party denied an education to African-Americans then and now insists they stay in run down, poorly administered inner city schools?

Wonder what party the b*****d that killed these girls belonged to?

What party was in power when these signs were common in the South?

What party ordered these beatings at the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma on what is now called "Bloody Sunday"?

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In an interview before he died, Wallace said he'd run as a Republican if he were still active. You don't think Bull Conner would sport a Kerry bumper sticker if he were alive, do you?

You look to a time when the Republican party was virtually nonexistent in the South and thus, every elected official was a Democrat, but you display a woeful ignorance of the history of the rise your chosen party in the South. Why did Strom Thurmond change parties? Why did he run as a Dixiecrat in 1948 against Truman? When did the Solid South end being Democratic?

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When did the Solid South start electing Republicans to local office? In the majority of the South, the Democratic Party still has a astranglehold on every office but Gov, Senator, and some Representatives. Republicans running locally are told over and over they have no chance, and dont.

[Auburn85 436]

TT, that's wasn't the entire amendment. It also said that all children have a right to education, which for some reason scared people into thinking their taxes would increase.

But you know, that's how Paul Hubbert and the Hubbert wh**es played it. If you voted to not remove it you were labeled a racist

[Auburn85 436]

Raegan was the first Republican to win the presidency in Modern times. Sigelman's been governor, Folsom Jr was governor.

And democrats have the majority in both the house and the Senate in the state government

Also, Bobby Bright is a democrat

[TexasTiger 14,303]

And what would 1948 have to do with the 1960s?

What would the 1860's have to do with the 1960s?

[Auburn85 436]

You could fly a confederate flag and an American flag. Both had slavery under them. Yet today, the confederate flag is doomed a racist symbol, while the American falg, which had slavery under it for almost 100 years, can still be flown proud. Thomas Jefferson had slave, heck, even on currency, but nobody's trying to take him out of public view.

[Tiger Al 0]

   

It's official...David  has lost it!!!

I assume, however, that you didn't come up with this walk down memory lane all by yourself. Is this the latest Sean Hannity e-mailing?

This from Wikipedia for the historically challenged:

The States' Rights Democratic Party was a short-lived splinter group that broke from the Democratic Party in 1948. The States' Rights Democratic Party opposed racial integration and wanted to retain Jim Crow laws and racial segregation. The party slogan was "Segregation Forever!" Members of the States' Rights Democratic Party, were often known as Dixiecrats.

The party was formed after thirty-five delegates from Mississippi and Alabama walked out of the 1948 Democratic National Convention. Even before the convention started, the Southern delegates were upset by President Harry S. Truman's executive order to racially integrate the armed forces. The walkout was prompted by a controversial speech by Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota urging the party to adopt an anti-segregationist plank in the platform.

After President Truman's endorsement of the civil rights plank, Strom Thurmond, governor of South Carolina, helped organize the walkout delegates into a separate party, whose platform was ostensibly concerned with states' rights. The Dixiecrats held their convention in Birmingham, Alabama, where they nominated Thurmond for president and Fielding L. Wright, governor of Mississippi, for vice president. Dixiecrat leaders worked to have Thurmond-Wright declared the "official" Democratic Party ticket in Southern states. They succeeded only in Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina; in other states, they were forced to run as a third-party ticket. These included Arkansas, whose governor-elect, Sid McMath, a young prosecutor and decorated World War II Marine veteran, vigorously supported Truman in speeches across the region, much to the consternation of the sitting governor, Ben Laney, an ardent Thurmond supporter. Laney later used McMath's pro-Truman stance against him during his 1950 re-election bid which McMath won handily. Efforts to paint other Truman loyalists as "turncoats" generally failed, although the seeds of discontent were planted which in years to come took their toll on Southern moderates, among them Congressman Brooks Hays of the Second (central) District of Arkansas, whose efforts at reconciliation during the 1957 Little Rock School Crisis made him vulnerable to defeat in 1958 by a segregationist surrogate fielded by forces loyal to then-Governor Orval Faubus, whose justification for using the national guard to bar entry to black pupils in defiance of a federal court order echoed much of the 1948 Dixiecrat platform.

On election day 1948, the Thurmond-Wright ticket carried the previously solid Democratic states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina, receiving 1,169,021 popular votes and 39 electoral votes. The split in the Democratic party in the 1948 election was seen as virtually guaranteeing a victory by the Republican nominee, Thomas E. Dewey of New York, yet Truman won re-election in an upset.

The Dixiecrat Party largely dissolved after the 1948 election. Thurmond, and many other Dixiecrats, later joined the Republican Party. Nevertheless, the split in the Democratic party was permanent, eventually resulting in the loss of the South as a Democratic stronghold after 1956. In the 1960s, the courting of formerly Democratic white Southern voters was the basis of the "southern strategy" by Richard Nixon. Republican Barry Goldwater carried the Deep South in 1964, despite losing in a landslide in the rest of the nation to Lyndon Johnson of Texas. The only Democratic presidential candidate after 1956 to solidly carry the Deep South was Jimmy Carter in the 1976 election.

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And what would 1948 have to do with the 1960s?

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Uh, well, gee whiz, David, I don't know...do you think this might have something to do with it:

The party was formed after thirty-five delegates from Mississippi and Alabama walked out of the 1948 Democratic National Convention.

Do you think these Southern Democrats might've liked their segregated existence that the NATIONAL Democrats disagreed with? Maybe that's why they became known as "Dixiecrats?" Do you think that 1948 could've been the beginning of change somewhere along the line?

[DKW 86 7,907]

Remember who ordered the Water hoses on the Protesters?

Remember who used to be a Grand Dragon of the KKK, Senator Byrd?

Who let these dogs out Mr. Democrat?

What party denied an education to African-Americans then and now insists they stay in run down, poorly administered inner city schools?

Wonder what party the b*****d that killed these girls belonged to?

What party was in power when these signs were common in the South?

What party ordered these beatings at the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma on what is now called "Bloody Sunday"?

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You know, David, that is largely a pictorial history of your home state-- your deeply red, solidly Republican home state, whose solidly Republican voters recently voted to keep this phrase in it's constitution:

"Separate schools shall be provided for white and colored children, and no child of either race shall be permitted to attend a school of the other race."

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You Sir are as lost as a goose...

Alabama Senate D-26 R-10

Alabama House D-59 R-40

[DKW 86 7,907]

Uh, well, gee whiz, David, I don't know...do you think this might have something to do with it:

The party was formed after thirty-five delegates from Mississippi and Alabama walked out of the 1948 Democratic National Convention.

Do you think these Southern Democrats might've liked their segregated existence that the NATIONAL Democrats disagreed with? Maybe that's why they became known as "Dixiecrats?" Do you think that 1948 could've been the beginning of change somewhere along the line?

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And they re-merged right after the 1948 election, Remember Wallace was running as a Democrat in the 60s for President. He was shot campaigning in the Democratic Primary in MD.

[Tiger Al 0]

And they re-merged right after the 1948 election, Remember Wallace was running as a Democrat in the 60s for President. He was shot campaigning in the Democratic Primary in MD.

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The ones who came back did so in name only. They (Dixiecrats) were third-party candidates for the most part and, as such, were guaranteed to lose.

But, if it makes you feel better about yourself to think that Democrats are big, bad segregationists, then you help yourself.

[Auburn85 436]

Yeah, 1 time Wallace ran as an independant. Those dang independants. Why would blacks want to ever vote for an independant? I mean they represent racism............... as the 89% black voters of Kerry run under the skirt of the democratic party to hide from the republiklan

[DKW 86 7,907]

And they re-merged right after the 1948 election, Remember Wallace was running as a Democrat in the 60s for President. He was shot campaigning in the Democratic Primary in MD.

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The ones who came back did so in name only. They (Dixiecrats) were third-party candidates for the most part and, as such, were guaranteed to lose.

But, if it makes you feel better about yourself to think that Democrats are big, bad segregationists, then you help yourself.

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Al, you still have not answered the questions posted originally. Who were the ones siccing the dogs on Blacks? Who ordered the beatings at the EPB? Who turned the fire hoses on the Protesters?

Al, who were those people? Hint: Democrats....Bull Connor, George Wallace, yellow dogs, everyone of them.

[Auburn85 436]

And they re-merged right after the 1948 election, Remember Wallace was running as a Democrat in the 60s for President. He was shot campaigning in the Democratic Primary in MD.

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The ones who came back did so in name only. They (Dixiecrats) were third-party candidates for the most part and, as such, were guaranteed to lose.

But, if it makes you feel better about yourself to think that Democrats are big, bad segregationists, then you help yourself.

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Al, you still have not answered the questions posted originally. Who were the ones siccing the dogs on Blacks? Who ordered the beatings at the EPB? Who turned the fire hoses on the Protesters?

Al, who were those people? Hint: Democrats....Bull Connor, George Wallace, yellow dogs, everyone of them.

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be careful,..... I'm seeing an "it's way past your bedtime" reply

[TexasTiger 14,303]

And they re-merged right after the 1948 election, Remember Wallace was running as a Democrat in the 60s for President. He was shot campaigning in the Democratic Primary in MD.

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The ones who came back did so in name only. They (Dixiecrats) were third-party candidates for the most part and, as such, were guaranteed to lose.

But, if it makes you feel better about yourself to think that Democrats are big, bad segregationists, then you help yourself.

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Al, you still have not answered the questions posted originally. Who were the ones siccing the dogs on Blacks? Who ordered the beatings at the EPB? Who turned the fire hoses on the Protesters?

Al, who were those people? Hint: Democrats....Bull Connor, George Wallace, yellow dogs, everyone of them.

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You don't have to be history major to know a little. Especially if you're going to flaunt what you think you know.

But by 1948, the issue of civil rights revealed the real philosophical differences between northern and southern Democrats as never before. The move of Southern states from solidly Democrat to solidly Republican began to take place. In this environment, the Dixiecrats and the “Southern Strategy” was born.

At the 1948 Democratic National Convention, a group led by Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota proposed some controversial new civil rights planks of racial integration and the reversal of Jim Crow laws to be included in the party platform. Southern Democrats were dismayed. President Harry S. Truman was caught in the middle for his recent executive order to racially integrate the armed forces. As a compromise, he proposed the adoption of only those planks that had been in the 1944 platform. That was not enough for the liberals. Truman's own civil rights initiatives had made the civil rights debate unavoidable.

The planks were adopted and 35 southern Democrats walked out in protest. They formed the States' Rights Democratic Party, which became popularly known as the Dixiecrats. Their campaign slogan was “Segregation Forever!” Their platform also included so-called “states’ rights” of non-interference from government in a company’s, or an individual’s, right to do business with whomever they wanted. The defeat of New York moderate Nelson Rockefeller, in the presidential primary election, marked the beginning of the end of moderates and liberals in the Republican Party. Clearer political and ideological lines began to be drawn between the Democrat and Republican parties as moderates and liberals moved from Republican to Democrat. Conservatives in the Democratic Party began to move to the ever-increasingly conservative Republican Party.

Meeting in Birmingham, Alabama, the Dixiecrats nominated South Carolina governor Strom Thurmond, as their presidential candidate, and Mississippi governor Field J. Wright, as their vice-presidential nominee. The party platform represented the openly racist views of most white southerners of the time. It opposed abolition of the poll tax, while endorsing segregation and "racial integrity" of each race. In the November election, Thurmond carried the states of Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina. Although Thurmond did not win the election, he received well over a million popular votes and 39 electoral votes.

By 1952, southern Democrats had concluded that they could exercise more influence through the Democratic Party and therefore returned to the fold. They remained in the Democratic fold, restive, until the candidacy of Republican conservative Barry Goldwater liberated them in 1964 by refreshing some of the Dixiecrat ideologies and therefore accelerated the transition from a solid south for the Democrats to one for the Republicans. Strom Thurmond switched to the Republican Party in that year and remained there until his death in December 2003.

Other presidential candidates, such as Republican Richard Nixon in 1968, have quite effectively used the Southern Strategy of "states' rights" and racial inequality to garner votes from the racially conservative electorate in the southern states.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1751.html

[Tiger Al 0]

Al, who were those people? Hint: Democrats....Bull Connor, George Wallace, yellow dogs, everyone of them.

Of course they were, David. They all had "D" after their names.

They were also many, many other things, too. They were all Christians...did they represent all Christians? They were all men...did they represent all men? They were all white...did they represent all whites? They were all Southerners...did they represent all Southerners? (Well, maybe nevermind that last one)

But, again, if it makes you feel better about yourself to believe that the Dixiecrats represent today's Democrats, go for it. Yay David!!! He's a republican!!! Way to go, David!!!

There seems to be two things you loathe: bammers and Democrats. Funny thing is, you used to be BOTH!!! I see these little rampages you like to go on as some sort of internal struggle you're having with yourself. It's fun to watch, though!

[Tigermike 3,731]

So Tex & Al's contention is that the folks who were democrats in segregation times are now Republicans. Does that mean the folks who are democrats now were Republicans then?

[TexasTiger 14,303]

So Tex & Al's contention is that the folks who were democrats in segregation times are now Republicans.  Does that mean the folks who are democrats now were Republicans then?

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Just the really smart ones!

[DKW 86 7,907]

No Al just making the point that without the Republican Party, none of the better legislation in the 1960s would ever have passed.

Condi Rice tells everyone why she is s Republican, "Because they were in Bham in the 1960s signing my mother and father up to vote."

Although opposed by politicians from the Deep South, the Voting Rights Act was passed by large majorities in the House of Representatives (333 to 48) and the Senate (77 to 19). The legislation empowered the national government to register those whom the states refused to put on the voting list.

Link

[Tiger Al 0]

No Al just making the point that without the Republican Party, none of the better legislation in the 1960s would ever have passed.

Condi Rice tells everyone why she is s Republican, "Because they were in Bham in the 1960s signing my mother and father up to vote."

Although opposed by politicians from the Deep South, the Voting Rights Act was passed by large majorities in the House of Representatives (333 to 48) and the Senate (77 to 19). The legislation empowered the national government to register those whom the states refused to put on the voting list.

Link

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You seem really hellbent to blame the racial attrocities of the south on a political party instead of on the geographical mindset that existed.

[TexasTiger 14,303]

No Al just making the point that without the Republican Party, none of the better legislation in the 1960s would ever have passed.

Condi Rice tells everyone why she is s Republican, "Because they were in Bham in the 1960s signing my mother and father up to vote."

Although opposed by politicians from the Deep South, the Voting Rights Act was passed by large majorities in the House of Representatives (333 to 48) and the Senate (77 to 19). The legislation empowered the national government to register those whom the states refused to put on the voting list.

Link

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You seem really hellbent to blame the racial attrocities of the south on a political party instead of on the geographical mindset that existed.

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Right. Condi was impressed by some Rockefeller Republicans. Now she has the Republican party that tries to depress minority turnout.