TexasTiger 12,897 Posted August 6, 2023 Author Share Posted August 6, 2023 17 minutes ago, GoAU said: 18 USC 793 (f) (f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both. And that’s assuming we honestly believe he had classified documents scattered all over the place without intentionally doing it….. So they’d have to prove knowledge or gross negligence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 I don’t see how you’d have boxes of classified documents laying around in multiple locations for over half a decade without a minimum of gross negligence or intent - do you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,897 Posted August 6, 2023 Author Share Posted August 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, GoAU said: I don’t see how you’d have boxes of classified documents laying around in multiple locations for over half a decade without a minimum of gross negligence or intent - do you? Gross negligence typically involves deviations from standard processes and norms. Don’t know the real details, but I’m not sure what’s in all the boxes in my house & garage and I put them there. I doubt a former VP who travels a lot and is focused on a Presidential campaign looks through boxes in their much bigger house. I think the key question on gross negligence centers on the process & protocols for packing a VP— I doubt each VP dictates that. I suspect they play little if any role. If they interjected themselves into an established process they would have greater responsibility. The fact that both Biden and Pence are in the same boat suggests there are deficiencies in the process. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: Gross negligence typically involves deviations from standard processes and norms. Don’t know the real details, but I’m not sure what’s in all the boxes in my house & garage and I put them there. I doubt a former VP who travels a lot and is focused on a Presidential campaign looks through boxes in their much bigger house. I think the key question on gross negligence centers on the process & protocols for packing a VP— I doubt each VP dictates that. I suspect they play little if any role. If they interjected themselves into an established process they would have greater responsibility. The fact that both Biden and Pence are in the same boat suggests there are deficiencies in the process. If that’s a viable excuse for a VP, then is it safe to assume the same would hold true for a President, that also has run several multi million / billion dollar businesses? Something an old commanding officer once told me - “You can delegate authority, but not responsibility”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,897 Posted August 6, 2023 Author Share Posted August 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, GoAU said: If that’s a viable excuse for a VP, then is it safe to assume the same would hold true for a President, that also has run several multi million / billion dollar businesses? Something an old commanding officer once told me - “You can delegate authority, but not responsibility”. It certainly would be if the facts were similar. But Trump isn’t charged with violating this law. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 There’s actually a law he HASN’T been charged with? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,897 Posted August 6, 2023 Author Share Posted August 6, 2023 24 minutes ago, GoAU said: There’s actually a law he HASN’T been charged with? Yep. It would have been a slam dunk, but he upped the ante considerably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,379 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 On 8/3/2023 at 6:32 PM, GoAU said: When you said “if he did anything wrong Trump would have prosecuted him” - first, I assume the “him” is Hunter, or are you talking about Joe Biden? Secondly, Trump doesn’t prosecute anyone as President - and you claim my facts are wrong…. I'm curious GoAU: Do you think Jarrad Kushner accepting $2 Billion from the Saudis wrong? What about illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 I'm honestly not familiar with it - if you have some background info or a reputable link I can read I'll look it over and let you know my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,379 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, GoAU said: I'm honestly not familiar with it - if you have some background info or a reputable link I can read I'll look it over and let you know my thoughts. Were you not aware of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,379 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 On 8/5/2023 at 9:36 PM, GoAU said: If that’s a viable excuse for a VP, then is it safe to assume the same would hold true for a President, that also has run several multi million / billion dollar businesses? He ran quite a few of those businesses into bankruptcy, so no, that not a safe assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 3 hours ago, homersapien said: Were you not aware of it? Not really. Although I’m sure you’ll be stunned to find out that although I know MOST things, I don’t necessarily know ALL things. What is the allegation that the Saudis gained by purchasing influence? The PR blunder from killing the journalist (don’t recall his name)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 3 hours ago, homersapien said: He ran quite a few of those businesses into bankruptcy, so no, that not a safe assumption. Although some businesses did end up in bankruptcy, I’d say that he was a lot more successful than a vast majority of people. Bankruptcy is used by lots of companies to restructure debt - at the rate we’re going, our nation may have to file….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUB78 1,358 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Food for thought on how the double standards of the MSM works. https://wng.org/opinions/halfway-repentance-1691495547?mkt_tok=NzEwLVFSUi0yMDkAAAGNdM3CPdlLgzaS4yNIVuNUJPYqtkPcqWcEtvWoJjFdpJkFE2BgBZ4DfZgL4vd9QrapedEVNA-BBPf3yYs4YKelYSZV0H9992WRxiIyN7kgyYxa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,379 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 14 hours ago, GoAU said: Not really. Although I’m sure you’ll be stunned to find out that although I know MOST things, I don’t necessarily know ALL things. What is the allegation that the Saudis gained by purchasing influence? The PR blunder from killing the journalist (don’t recall his name)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,379 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, GoAU said: Although some businesses did end up in bankruptcy, I’d say that he was a lot more successful than a vast majority of people. Bankruptcy is used by lots of companies to restructure debt - at the rate we’re going, our nation may have to file….. Trump made many business decisions and used bankruptcy to stiff creditors. He was also famous for simply forcing creditors to sue him for rightful compensation, an option many small contractors couldn't afford. He was no more successful than any other businessman who was given a grubstake of $413M from his Dad. https://apnews.com/article/0452d29cd2564eaf97605ab90acc3a67 I suggest some further research on Trump, starting with: https://www.amazon.com/Making-Donald-Trump-David-Johnston/dp/1612196322 And then, moving on to: https://www.amazon.com/Even-Worse-Than-Think-Administration/dp/1501174169/ref=pd_lpo_sccl_2/143-0814429-8760021?pd_rd_w=qmXpo&content-id=amzn1.sym.116f529c-aa4d-4763-b2b6-4d614ec7dc00&pf_rd_p=116f529c-aa4d-4763-b2b6-4d614ec7dc00&pf_rd_r=B95SFP30GZEJXC9W8YFQ&pd_rd_wg=e1fNZ&pd_rd_r=1b2dbc56-8ab3-4d9c-95cb-fa1a271ab1c4&pd_rd_i=1501174169&psc=1 Edited August 9, 2023 by homersapien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnatl1 4,935 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, homersapien said: Trump made many business decisions and used bankruptcy to stiff creditors. He was also famous for simply forcing creditors to sue him for rightful compensation, an option many small contractors couldn't afford. He was no more successful than any other businessman who was given a grubstake of $413M from his Dad. https://apnews.com/article/0452d29cd2564eaf97605ab90acc3a67 I suggest some further research on Trump, starting with: https://www.amazon.com/Making-Donald-Trump-David-Johnston/dp/1612196322 And then moving on to: https://www.amazon.com/Even-Worse-Than-Think-Administration/dp/1501174169/ref=pd_lpo_sccl_2/143-0814429-8760021?pd_rd_w=qmXpo&content-id=amzn1.sym.116f529c-aa4d-4763-b2b6-4d614ec7dc00&pf_rd_p=116f529c-aa4d-4763-b2b6-4d614ec7dc00&pf_rd_r=B95SFP30GZEJXC9W8YFQ&pd_rd_wg=e1fNZ&pd_rd_r=1b2dbc56-8ab3-4d9c-95cb-fa1a271ab1c4&pd_rd_i=1501174169&psc=1 He was the first Kardashian - leveraging and monetizing his fathers name and wealth without any useful talent himself 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,379 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said: He was the first Kardashian - leveraging and monetizing his fathers name and wealth without any useful talent himself Yep. And from what I've read of Trump's childhood, his father really screwed him up psychologically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,812 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, homersapien said: Trump made many business decisions and used bankruptcy to stiff creditors. He was also famous for simply forcing creditors to sue him for rightful compensation, an option many small contractors couldn't afford. He was no more successful than any other businessman who was given a grubstake of $413M from his Dad. https://apnews.com/article/0452d29cd2564eaf97605ab90acc3a67 I suggest some further research on Trump, starting with: https://www.amazon.com/Making-Donald-Trump-David-Johnston/dp/1612196322 And then, moving on to: https://www.amazon.com/Even-Worse-Than-Think-Administration/dp/1501174169/ref=pd_lpo_sccl_2/143-0814429-8760021?pd_rd_w=qmXpo&content-id=amzn1.sym.116f529c-aa4d-4763-b2b6-4d614ec7dc00&pf_rd_p=116f529c-aa4d-4763-b2b6-4d614ec7dc00&pf_rd_r=B95SFP30GZEJXC9W8YFQ&pd_rd_wg=e1fNZ&pd_rd_r=1b2dbc56-8ab3-4d9c-95cb-fa1a271ab1c4&pd_rd_i=1501174169&psc=1 Slow pay and non pay developers/owners garner reputations quickly among suppliers and contractors. Information and history are available and easy to access. He obviously duped a lot of people into contracts or they were dumb. Some contractors willingly go in extremely high knowing final payment will be litigated. Not a healthy way to do business. You obviously enjoy Trump books Brother Homer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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