It's not just Trump who threatens our democracy, it's everyone who supports him.

[homersapien 11,373]

Will I've never cared for Liz Cheny's political views, I respect the hell out of her.  This country needs more true, constitution believing conservative like her, as the following piece illustrates.  (emphasis mine)

Liz Cheney reminds us of the stakes

No wonder MAGA Republicans hate Liz Cheney. No Republican is as articulate, persuasive and passionate as the former Wyoming congresswoman in describing the threat four-time-indicted former president Donald Trump and her own party as currently constituted pose to the future of American democracy and international security.

Her new book “Oath and Honor” has plenty of bombshells — the congressman who derided Trump as “orange Jesus”; Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s pathetic excuse that he had to visit Trump at Mar-a-Lago because the former president was depressed and not eating. But the jaw-dropping tidbits should not distract from her overarching message, one that Republicans and the media alike need to embrace.

In her characteristically blunt, unvarnished way, she told CBS’s John Dickerson in an interview aired Sunday: “He’s told us what he will do. It’s very easy to see the steps that he will take. … People who say ‘Well, if he’s elected, it’s not that dangerous because we have all of these checks and balances’ don’t fully understand the extent to which the Republicans in Congress today have been co-opted.” She stressed, “One of the things that we see happening today is a sort of a sleepwalking into dictatorship in the United States.”

Without citing No Labels directly, she cautioned that in facing an existential crisis, we cannot have “a situation where the election that might be thrown into the House of Representatives is overseen by a Republican majority.” (No Labels has let on that throwing the election to the House rather than achieving an outright victory for its candidate might be its desired scheme.)

Moreover, she made no bones about the unfitness of her own party to hold power in Congress. “If you look at what Donald Trump is trying to do, he can’t do it by himself. He has to have collaborators,” she said. “And the story of [House Speaker] Mike Johnson is a story of a collaborator and of someone who knew then — and knows now — that what he’s doing and saying is wrong, but he’s willing to do it in an effort to please Donald Trump. And that’s what makes it dangerous.”

Asked directly whether we would be better off with a Democratic House majority, she did not mince words. “I believe very strongly in those principles and ideals that have defined the Republican Party, but the Republican Party of today has made a choice and they haven’t chosen the Constitution,” she said. “And so I do think it presents a threat if the Republicans are in the majority in January 2025.”

In a subsequent interview with Rachel Maddow, Cheney added another caution. Trump “would take those people who are the most radical, the most dangerous, who had the proposals that were the most dangerous, and he will put them in positions of supreme power,” she said. “That’s a risk that we simply can’t take.” In a second term, the sort of adults in the room from the first term would be absent, removing any restraints he might have previously had.

Her remarkable interviews and ongoing campaign to prevent the United States from “sleepwalking into dictatorship” should be a wake-up call to the remaining anti-MAGA Republican still deluding themselves that a second Trump term wouldn’t be all that bad. (As she told Maddow, “When you have a president who is willing to go to war with the rule of law, to ignore the rulings of the courts if he doesn’t agree with them, that has the potential to unravel everything.”)

Though Cheney does not carry weight with Trump’s hardcore base, her message might resonate with “soft” Republicans, independents and even left-wing Democrats in a snit about President Biden’s handling of the Israel-Gaza war and who vow not to support Biden.

How she will make her case in 2024 remains to be seen. Though she has not ruled out a third-party run, she might carry far more weight if she and pro-democracy Republicans such as Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah and former congressman Adam Kinzinger of Illinois endorse Biden and warn voters against enabling Trump by voting for one of the other candidates. As we learned in 2020, it is important to set up a “permission structures” that encourage Republicans to put fidelity to the Constitution and democracy above partisanship.

Cheney can also play another critical role: keeping the media focused on “not the odds, but the stakes” as media critic Jay Rosen put it. It has not been easy to get mainstream media to emphasize the stakes — the survival of our democracy — rather the horserace and premature, meaningless polls. Fortunately, mainstream outlets have started paying greater attention to Trump’s fascist vision, totalitarian plans, intention to destroy NATO and plans to turn the executive branch into his personal, partisan weapon.

It is not enough to run a story once every month or so. Unless the campaign is covered as a battle between democracy and authoritarianism, the real threat Trump poses will be concealed. Given Cheney’s extraordinary communications skills and ratings draw, her constant presence in print, online and TV coverage — and her willingness to dismiss efforts to normalize Trump and to assign Biden artificial demerits — might prove invaluable.

Cheney, long an ardent critic of Democrats, can provide one more service. After years of criticizing Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and House Democrats, she worked with them on the Jan. 6 committee, attesting to Pelosi’s willingness to put aside past barbs and Cheney’s fellow committee members’ fidelity to the Constitution. Cheney is a valuable character witness to debunk the demonization of Democrats that has driven Republicans to favor the grotesquely unfit Trump over a center-left, competent Democratic president.

No single voice can determine the outcome of the election. But few have as powerful or effective a voice as Cheney. If she wields her influence adroitly, she will earn her share of the credit for beating back the most serious threat to democracy in our history.

Opinion by Jennifer Rubin

[Leftfield 2,598]

Yeah, but she's just a RINO 🙄

[auburnatl1 4,914]

3 hours ago, homersapien said:

Will I've never cared for Liz Cheny's political views, I respect the hell out of her.  This country needs more true, constitution believing conservative like her, as the following piece illustrates.  (emphasis mine)

Liz Cheney reminds us of the stakes

No wonder MAGA Republicans hate Liz Cheney. No Republican is as articulate, persuasive and passionate as the former Wyoming congresswoman in describing the threat four-time-indicted former president Donald Trump and her own party as currently constituted pose to the future of American democracy and international security.

Her new book “Oath and Honor” has plenty of bombshells — the congressman who derided Trump as “orange Jesus”; Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s pathetic excuse that he had to visit Trump at Mar-a-Lago because the former president was depressed and not eating. But the jaw-dropping tidbits should not distract from her overarching message, one that Republicans and the media alike need to embrace.

In her characteristically blunt, unvarnished way, she told CBS’s John Dickerson in an interview aired Sunday: “He’s told us what he will do. It’s very easy to see the steps that he will take. … People who say ‘Well, if he’s elected, it’s not that dangerous because we have all of these checks and balances’ don’t fully understand the extent to which the Republicans in Congress today have been co-opted.” She stressed, “One of the things that we see happening today is a sort of a sleepwalking into dictatorship in the United States.”

Without citing No Labels directly, she cautioned that in facing an existential crisis, we cannot have “a situation where the election that might be thrown into the House of Representatives is overseen by a Republican majority.” (No Labels has let on that throwing the election to the House rather than achieving an outright victory for its candidate might be its desired scheme.)

Moreover, she made no bones about the unfitness of her own party to hold power in Congress. “If you look at what Donald Trump is trying to do, he can’t do it by himself. He has to have collaborators,” she said. “And the story of [House Speaker] Mike Johnson is a story of a collaborator and of someone who knew then — and knows now — that what he’s doing and saying is wrong, but he’s willing to do it in an effort to please Donald Trump. And that’s what makes it dangerous.”

Asked directly whether we would be better off with a Democratic House majority, she did not mince words. “I believe very strongly in those principles and ideals that have defined the Republican Party, but the Republican Party of today has made a choice and they haven’t chosen the Constitution,” she said. “And so I do think it presents a threat if the Republicans are in the majority in January 2025.”

In a subsequent interview with Rachel Maddow, Cheney added another caution. Trump “would take those people who are the most radical, the most dangerous, who had the proposals that were the most dangerous, and he will put them in positions of supreme power,” she said. “That’s a risk that we simply can’t take.” In a second term, the sort of adults in the room from the first term would be absent, removing any restraints he might have previously had.

Her remarkable interviews and ongoing campaign to prevent the United States from “sleepwalking into dictatorship” should be a wake-up call to the remaining anti-MAGA Republican still deluding themselves that a second Trump term wouldn’t be all that bad. (As she told Maddow, “When you have a president who is willing to go to war with the rule of law, to ignore the rulings of the courts if he doesn’t agree with them, that has the potential to unravel everything.”)

Though Cheney does not carry weight with Trump’s hardcore base, her message might resonate with “soft” Republicans, independents and even left-wing Democrats in a snit about President Biden’s handling of the Israel-Gaza war and who vow not to support Biden.

How she will make her case in 2024 remains to be seen. Though she has not ruled out a third-party run, she might carry far more weight if she and pro-democracy Republicans such as Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah and former congressman Adam Kinzinger of Illinois endorse Biden and warn voters against enabling Trump by voting for one of the other candidates. As we learned in 2020, it is important to set up a “permission structures” that encourage Republicans to put fidelity to the Constitution and democracy above partisanship.

Cheney can also play another critical role: keeping the media focused on “not the odds, but the stakes” as media critic Jay Rosen put it. It has not been easy to get mainstream media to emphasize the stakes — the survival of our democracy — rather the horserace and premature, meaningless polls. Fortunately, mainstream outlets have started paying greater attention to Trump’s fascist vision, totalitarian plans, intention to destroy NATO and plans to turn the executive branch into his personal, partisan weapon.

It is not enough to run a story once every month or so. Unless the campaign is covered as a battle between democracy and authoritarianism, the real threat Trump poses will be concealed. Given Cheney’s extraordinary communications skills and ratings draw, her constant presence in print, online and TV coverage — and her willingness to dismiss efforts to normalize Trump and to assign Biden artificial demerits — might prove invaluable.

Cheney, long an ardent critic of Democrats, can provide one more service. After years of criticizing Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and House Democrats, she worked with them on the Jan. 6 committee, attesting to Pelosi’s willingness to put aside past barbs and Cheney’s fellow committee members’ fidelity to the Constitution. Cheney is a valuable character witness to debunk the demonization of Democrats that has driven Republicans to favor the grotesquely unfit Trump over a center-left, competent Democratic president.

No single voice can determine the outcome of the election. But few have as powerful or effective a voice as Cheney. If she wields her influence adroitly, she will earn her share of the credit for beating back the most serious threat to democracy in our history.

Opinion by Jennifer Rubin

If Cheney wants to be more than just anti-Trump again, she needs to move to a purple state where she could win. Otherwise she will quietly  fade away.

[homersapien 11,373]

22 hours ago, Leftfield said:

Yeah, but she's just a RINO 🙄

I'd argue that the Republican Party - as a whole - is RINO.

[PUB78 1,358]

48 minutes ago, homersapien said:

I'd argue that the Republican Party - as a whole - is RINO.

Homer-your paranoia  is showing again.☹️😵

48 minutes ago, homersapien said:

I'd argue that the Republican Party - as a whole - is RINO.

On 12/7/2023 at 11:47 AM, homersapien said:

Will I've never cared for Liz Cheny's political views, I respect the hell out of her.  This country needs more true, constitution believing conservative like her, as the following piece illustrates.  (emphasis mine)

Liz Cheney reminds us of the stakes

No wonder MAGA Republicans hate Liz Cheney. No Republican is as articulate, persuasive and passionate as the former Wyoming congresswoman in describing the threat four-time-indicted former president Donald Trump and her own party as currently constituted pose to the future of American democracy and international security.

Her new book “Oath and Honor” has plenty of bombshells — the congressman who derided Trump as “orange Jesus”; Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s pathetic excuse that he had to visit Trump at Mar-a-Lago because the former president was depressed and not eating. But the jaw-dropping tidbits should not distract from her overarching message, one that Republicans and the media alike need to embrace.

In her characteristically blunt, unvarnished way, she told CBS’s John Dickerson in an interview aired Sunday: “He’s told us what he will do. It’s very easy to see the steps that he will take. … People who say ‘Well, if he’s elected, it’s not that dangerous because we have all of these checks and balances’ don’t fully understand the extent to which the Republicans in Congress today have been co-opted.” She stressed, “One of the things that we see happening today is a sort of a sleepwalking into dictatorship in the United States.”

Without citing No Labels directly, she cautioned that in facing an existential crisis, we cannot have “a situation where the election that might be thrown into the House of Representatives is overseen by a Republican majority.” (No Labels has let on that throwing the election to the House rather than achieving an outright victory for its candidate might be its desired scheme.)

Moreover, she made no bones about the unfitness of her own party to hold power in Congress. “If you look at what Donald Trump is trying to do, he can’t do it by himself. He has to have collaborators,” she said. “And the story of [House Speaker] Mike Johnson is a story of a collaborator and of someone who knew then — and knows now — that what he’s doing and saying is wrong, but he’s willing to do it in an effort to please Donald Trump. And that’s what makes it dangerous.”

Asked directly whether we would be better off with a Democratic House majority, she did not mince words. “I believe very strongly in those principles and ideals that have defined the Republican Party, but the Republican Party of today has made a choice and they haven’t chosen the Constitution,” she said. “And so I do think it presents a threat if the Republicans are in the majority in January 2025.”

In a subsequent interview with Rachel Maddow, Cheney added another caution. Trump “would take those people who are the most radical, the most dangerous, who had the proposals that were the most dangerous, and he will put them in positions of supreme power,” she said. “That’s a risk that we simply can’t take.” In a second term, the sort of adults in the room from the first term would be absent, removing any restraints he might have previously had.

Her remarkable interviews and ongoing campaign to prevent the United States from “sleepwalking into dictatorship” should be a wake-up call to the remaining anti-MAGA Republican still deluding themselves that a second Trump term wouldn’t be all that bad. (As she told Maddow, “When you have a president who is willing to go to war with the rule of law, to ignore the rulings of the courts if he doesn’t agree with them, that has the potential to unravel everything.”)

Though Cheney does not carry weight with Trump’s hardcore base, her message might resonate with “soft” Republicans, independents and even left-wing Democrats in a snit about President Biden’s handling of the Israel-Gaza war and who vow not to support Biden.

How she will make her case in 2024 remains to be seen. Though she has not ruled out a third-party run, she might carry far more weight if she and pro-democracy Republicans such as Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah and former congressman Adam Kinzinger of Illinois endorse Biden and warn voters against enabling Trump by voting for one of the other candidates. As we learned in 2020, it is important to set up a “permission structures” that encourage Republicans to put fidelity to the Constitution and democracy above partisanship.

Cheney can also play another critical role: keeping the media focused on “not the odds, but the stakes” as media critic Jay Rosen put it. It has not been easy to get mainstream media to emphasize the stakes — the survival of our democracy — rather the horserace and premature, meaningless polls. Fortunately, mainstream outlets have started paying greater attention to Trump’s fascist vision, totalitarian plans, intention to destroy NATO and plans to turn the executive branch into his personal, partisan weapon.

It is not enough to run a story once every month or so. Unless the campaign is covered as a battle between democracy and authoritarianism, the real threat Trump poses will be concealed. Given Cheney’s extraordinary communications skills and ratings draw, her constant presence in print, online and TV coverage — and her willingness to dismiss efforts to normalize Trump and to assign Biden artificial demerits — might prove invaluable.

Cheney, long an ardent critic of Democrats, can provide one more service. After years of criticizing Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and House Democrats, she worked with them on the Jan. 6 committee, attesting to Pelosi’s willingness to put aside past barbs and Cheney’s fellow committee members’ fidelity to the Constitution. Cheney is a valuable character witness to debunk the demonization of Democrats that has driven Republicans to favor the grotesquely unfit Trump over a center-left, competent Democratic president.

No single voice can determine the outcome of the election. But few have as powerful or effective a voice as Cheney. If she wields her influence adroitly, she will earn her share of the credit for beating back the most serious threat to democracy in our history.

Opinion by Jennifer Rubin

On 12/7/2023 at 11:47 AM, homersapien said:

Will I've never cared for Liz Cheny's political views, I respect the hell out of her.  This country needs more true, constitution believing conservative like her, as the following piece illustrates.  (emphasis mine)

Liz Cheney reminds us of the stakes

No wonder MAGA Republicans hate Liz Cheney. No Republican is as articulate, persuasive and passionate as the former Wyoming congresswoman in describing the threat four-time-indicted former president Donald Trump and her own party as currently constituted pose to the future of American democracy and international security.

Her new book “Oath and Honor” has plenty of bombshells — the congressman who derided Trump as “orange Jesus”; Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s pathetic excuse that he had to visit Trump at Mar-a-Lago because the former president was depressed and not eating. But the jaw-dropping tidbits should not distract from her overarching message, one that Republicans and the media alike need to embrace.

In her characteristically blunt, unvarnished way, she told CBS’s John Dickerson in an interview aired Sunday: “He’s told us what he will do. It’s very easy to see the steps that he will take. … People who say ‘Well, if he’s elected, it’s not that dangerous because we have all of these checks and balances’ don’t fully understand the extent to which the Republicans in Congress today have been co-opted.” She stressed, “One of the things that we see happening today is a sort of a sleepwalking into dictatorship in the United States.”

Without citing No Labels directly, she cautioned that in facing an existential crisis, we cannot have “a situation where the election that might be thrown into the House of Representatives is overseen by a Republican majority.” (No Labels has let on that throwing the election to the House rather than achieving an outright victory for its candidate might be its desired scheme.)

Moreover, she made no bones about the unfitness of her own party to hold power in Congress. “If you look at what Donald Trump is trying to do, he can’t do it by himself. He has to have collaborators,” she said. “And the story of [House Speaker] Mike Johnson is a story of a collaborator and of someone who knew then — and knows now — that what he’s doing and saying is wrong, but he’s willing to do it in an effort to please Donald Trump. And that’s what makes it dangerous.”

Asked directly whether we would be better off with a Democratic House majority, she did not mince words. “I believe very strongly in those principles and ideals that have defined the Republican Party, but the Republican Party of today has made a choice and they haven’t chosen the Constitution,” she said. “And so I do think it presents a threat if the Republicans are in the majority in January 2025.”

In a subsequent interview with Rachel Maddow, Cheney added another caution. Trump “would take those people who are the most radical, the most dangerous, who had the proposals that were the most dangerous, and he will put them in positions of supreme power,” she said. “That’s a risk that we simply can’t take.” In a second term, the sort of adults in the room from the first term would be absent, removing any restraints he might have previously had.

Her remarkable interviews and ongoing campaign to prevent the United States from “sleepwalking into dictatorship” should be a wake-up call to the remaining anti-MAGA Republican still deluding themselves that a second Trump term wouldn’t be all that bad. (As she told Maddow, “When you have a president who is willing to go to war with the rule of law, to ignore the rulings of the courts if he doesn’t agree with them, that has the potential to unravel everything.”)

Though Cheney does not carry weight with Trump’s hardcore base, her message might resonate with “soft” Republicans, independents and even left-wing Democrats in a snit about President Biden’s handling of the Israel-Gaza war and who vow not to support Biden.

How she will make her case in 2024 remains to be seen. Though she has not ruled out a third-party run, she might carry far more weight if she and pro-democracy Republicans such as Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah and former congressman Adam Kinzinger of Illinois endorse Biden and warn voters against enabling Trump by voting for one of the other candidates. As we learned in 2020, it is important to set up a “permission structures” that encourage Republicans to put fidelity to the Constitution and democracy above partisanship.

Cheney can also play another critical role: keeping the media focused on “not the odds, but the stakes” as media critic Jay Rosen put it. It has not been easy to get mainstream media to emphasize the stakes — the survival of our democracy — rather the horserace and premature, meaningless polls. Fortunately, mainstream outlets have started paying greater attention to Trump’s fascist vision, totalitarian plans, intention to destroy NATO and plans to turn the executive branch into his personal, partisan weapon.

It is not enough to run a story once every month or so. Unless the campaign is covered as a battle between democracy and authoritarianism, the real threat Trump poses will be concealed. Given Cheney’s extraordinary communications skills and ratings draw, her constant presence in print, online and TV coverage — and her willingness to dismiss efforts to normalize Trump and to assign Biden artificial demerits — might prove invaluable.

Cheney, long an ardent critic of Democrats, can provide one more service. After years of criticizing Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and House Democrats, she worked with them on the Jan. 6 committee, attesting to Pelosi’s willingness to put aside past barbs and Cheney’s fellow committee members’ fidelity to the Constitution. Cheney is a valuable character witness to debunk the demonization of Democrats that has driven Republicans to favor the grotesquely unfit Trump over a center-left, competent Democratic president.

No single voice can determine the outcome of the election. But few have as powerful or effective a voice as Cheney. If she wields her influence adroitly, she will earn her share of the credit for beating back the most serious threat to democracy in our history.

Opinion by Jennifer Rubin

 

48 minutes ago, homersapien said:

I'd argue that the Republican Party - as a whole - is RINO.

Homer-Your paranoia is showing again!🤪😵

[Leftfield 2,598]

6 minutes ago, PUB78 said:

Homer-your paranoia  is showing again.☹️😵

 

Homer-Your paranoia is showing again!🤪😵

You seem to be struggling a bit with formatting. 

Also, considering your reaction to my post above, you seem to be struggling with sarcasm.

[homersapien 11,373]

On 12/8/2023 at 1:18 PM, PUB78 said:

Homer-your paranoia  is showing again.☹️😵

 

Homer-Your paranoia is showing again!🤪😵

And your ignorance of history is showing again.  You obviously don't know much about the recent history of fascism.

I suggest you try reasing "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer.  (He wrote it while on the Joseph McCarthy "black list".)

Watching such dark history trying repeat itself is hardly paranoia. It's common sense wisdom.

Edited February 1 by homersapien

[PUB78 1,358]

40 minutes ago, Leftfield said:

You seem to be struggling a bit with formatting. 

Also, considering your reaction to my post above, you seem to be struggling with sarcasm.

I have a problem with lots of things, but  think you for noticing!

[PUB78 1,358]

40 minutes ago, homersapien said:

And your ignorance of history is showing again.  You obviously don't know much about the recent history of fascism.

I suggest you try reasing "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer.  (He wrote it while on the Joseph McCarthy "black list.)

Watching such dark history trying repeat itself is hardly paranoia. It's common sense wisdom.

Perhaps you need to read The Democrat Party HATES America, Liberty and Tyranny, American Marxism, IAdois America, Demonic: How the Liberal Mob is Endangering  America, The Death of a Nation , When a Nation Forgets God (Which the Demonic Party certainly has) and  Death of A Nation: Plantation Politics and the Making of the Democratic Party.

The true threat to this nation, democracy, freedom of religion, speech , expression and assembly is the Demonic Party of which you so proudly belong.

[CoffeeTiger 5,108]

3 minutes ago, PUB78 said:

Perhaps you need to read The Democrat Party HATES America, Liberty and Tyranny, American Marxism, IAdois America, Demonic: How the Liberal Mob is Endangering  America, The Death of a Nation , When a Nation Forgets God (Which the Demonic Party certainly has) and  Death of A Nation: Plantation Politics and the Making of the Democratic Party.

The true threat to this nation, democracy, freedom of religion, speech , expression and assembly is the Demonic Party of which you so proudly belong.

 

Sounds like you need to take a break from visiting the "political commentary" section of your local bookstore. 

 

 

[PUB78 1,358]

1 minute ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

Sounds like you need to take a break from visiting the "political commentary" section of your local bookstore. 

 

 

I already own most of these books. They are in my personal library.

[homersapien 11,373]

22 minutes ago, PUB78 said:

Perhaps you need to read The Democrat Party HATES America, Liberty and Tyranny, American Marxism, IAdois America, Demonic: How the Liberal Mob is Endangering  America, The Death of a Nation , When a Nation Forgets God (Which the Demonic Party certainly has) and  Death of A Nation: Plantation Politics and the Making of the Democratic Party.

The true threat to this nation, democracy, freedom of religion, speech , expression and assembly is the Demonic Party of which you so proudly belong.

Key difference:

"Rise and Fall" is actual history.

That ridiculous list of books you cite is absurd partisan propaganda. Obviously.

[PUB78 1,358]

5 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Key difference:

"Rise and Fall" is actual history.

That ridiculous list of books you cite is absurd partisan propaganda. Obviously.

Indeed it is.  The others are some propaganda, but contain a whole lot of truth , too, about the intentions of the Demonic Party.

[homersapien 11,373]

1 minute ago, PUB78 said:

Indeed it is.  The others are some propaganda, but contain a whole lot of truth , too, about the intentions of the Demonic Party.

The absurd imaginings of far right wackos hardly reveal the "intentions" of the Democratic party.    Only a gullible fool would actually beleive that.

On the other hand, there's no doubt about confusing the intentions of dictator-loving Donald Trump.  He has stated them up front:

Trump's vow to only be a dictator on 'day one' follows growing worry over his authoritarian rhetoric

Donald Trump's assertion that he would only be a dictator on “day one” of a second term comes as he is facing growing scrutiny over his increasingly authoritarian and violent rhetoric

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trumps-vow-dictator-day-growing-worry-authoritarian-rhetoric-105483153

 

And apparently, most of the Republican Party - not to mention gullible, useful fools such as yourself -  are willing to facilitate him.  They are fascists.  Democracy and the constitution be damned.

[autigeremt 6,616]

Split the country and let the MAGA's have their lot in life. The rest can form the Eutopia you've all been waiting for. 

 

[CoffeeTiger 5,108]

1 hour ago, autigeremt said:

Split the country and let the MAGA's have their lot in life. 

We already let MAGAS have their lot in life. Who do you think is inhabiting all the dingy trailer parks and meth labs spread across the rural southern and Rocky Mountain States?

 

[PUB78 1,358]

5 hours ago, homersapien said:

The absurd imaginings of far right wackos hardly reveal the "intentions" of the Democratic party.    Only a gullible fool would actually beleive that.

On the other hand, there's no doubt about confusing the intentions of dictator-loving Donald Trump.  He has stated them up front:

Trump's vow to only be a dictator on 'day one' follows growing worry over his authoritarian rhetoric

Donald Trump's assertion that he would only be a dictator on “day one” of a second term comes as he is facing growing scrutiny over his increasingly authoritarian and violent rhetoric

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trumps-vow-dictator-day-growing-worry-authoritarian-rhetoric-105483153

 

And apparently, most of the Republican Party - not to mention gullible, useful fools such as yourself -  are willing to facilitate him.  They are fascists.  Democracy and the constitution be damned.

You must believe like Thurgood Marshall. “ The Constitution is what I say it is”.

[PUB78 1,358]

3 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

We already let MAGAS have their lot in life. Who do you think is inhabiting all the dingy trailer parks and meth labs spread across the rural southern and Rocky Mountain States?

 

Typical elitist liberal view.

Edited December 9, 2023 by PUB78

[CoffeeTiger 5,108]

1 hour ago, PUB78 said:

Typical elitist liberal view.

I don’t know what you’re talking about. 
 

you may speak to my butler if there is anything else you require. I will be in the ballroom planning world domination with George Soros and don’t wish to be disturbed. 

[tomcat 569]

14 hours ago, autigeremt said:

Split the country and let the MAGA's have their lot in life. The rest can form the Eutopia you've all been waiting for. 

 

Yet more red states than blue states take more in federal money than they pay….

[I_M4_AU 7,830]

2 hours ago, tomcat said:

Yet more red states than blue states take more in federal money than they pay….

I wonder how that is calculated?  Does the $5000.00 dollars that the federal government give each illegal alien go down as red state expenditure because they come in to Texas?

[PUB78 1,358]

10 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

I don’t know what you’re talking about. 
 

you may speak to my butler if there is anything else you require. I will be in the ballroom planning world domination with George Soros and don’t wish to be disturbed. 

Ok, call me an elitist, too, because you failed to mention the Democrat voters that live in all the housing projects and urban slums.

[autigeremt 6,616]

On 12/8/2023 at 4:39 PM, CoffeeTiger said:

We already let MAGAS have their lot in life. Who do you think is inhabiting all the dingy trailer parks and meth labs spread across the rural southern and Rocky Mountain States?

 

Been to LA lately? 

[icanthearyou 4,462]

On 12/8/2023 at 1:21 PM, PUB78 said:

Perhaps you need to read The Democrat Party HATES America, Liberty and Tyranny, American Marxism, IAdois America, Demonic: How the Liberal Mob is Endangering  America, The Death of a Nation , When a Nation Forgets God (Which the Demonic Party certainly has) and  Death of A Nation: Plantation Politics and the Making of the Democratic Party.

The true threat to this nation, democracy, freedom of religion, speech , expression and assembly is the Demonic Party of which you so proudly belong.

And Jesus said unto them,,, do not worry about the poor, the immigrants, the widows, the orphans, those suffering around you.  Be callous to their plight.  Forget not that the Lord has commanded you to end abortion and persecute the homosexuals.  The Lord does not love the humble sinner.  The Lord does not want us leaning upon Him.  The Lord loves the boastful, ideologically driven, self reliant, self absorbed, self righteous.  Produce a meritocracy and ignore those who God has made to be the least among you.  Exploit and discard them as you please.

Perhaps the "demonic" element is not those who ignore God but rather, those who would bastardize his message with their own politics and prejudice?  

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On 12/8/2023 at 2:45 PM, homersapien said:

Key difference:

"Rise and Fall" is actual history.

That ridiculous list of books you cite is absurd partisan propaganda. Obviously.

Candidly you’re not going to change maga.  Most (even on this site) say they don’t want Trump but he’s “better than Biden “ - even though there’s other Republican options that they secretly won’t vote for. They love Trump. Yes he’s a traitor - but they don’t care. Is what it is.

Imo the Dems have to stop calling Trump a dictator - repeating it 100,000 times hasn’t changed anything in the polls.  The points been made. And made. Focus on roe v wade, strong jobs, work that’s being done on lowering inflation and mortgage rates, and get serious NOW about the friggin border. It’s an Achilles heal.

Maga is maga. It’s Jim jones stuff. Moderate and fight the real battle ground - independents (which you’re losing ground on). Fast.