RunInRed 16,409 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Holy dumbass 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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auburnatl1 4,914 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 8 minutes ago, RunInRed said: Holy dumbass With Ga having MTG .. I’ll see your idiot senator, and raise you our shouldn’t even have a drivers license, bat sh!t crazy congresswoman. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Tipper 430 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, RunInRed said: Holy dumbass You've left the reader to assume that by "dumbass" you refer to the seeming contradiction that TT wants Alabamians to have more babies, but opposes the specific practice of ivf would give more babies. Not knowing your understanding of ivf I'll try to clarify. As a Christian, I, as most, know that life begins at the moment of conception which ivf does produce and the eggs are then not just some protoplasm which can be used in scientific experiments like ivf. Ivf produces multiple fertilized eggs, which are babies at their earliest form and are therefore sacred before God and man. The process of ivf is one of selection by the physician who decides which baby is to be implanted with the hope of producing a viable baby (-ies). The remaining fertilized eggs are discarded like trash, abortion, sometimes not and are frozen ((another discussion unto itself). Again, these eggs are sacred life. Once fertilized eggs are implanted, then, after a period of time, the physician further decides which implanted eggs remain and which are to be aborted. Ivf cheapens life and dishonors God, especially with the subtle practice of aborting fertilized eggs. Life is precious at all stages, especially as an embryo which cannot defend itself. The Biden-Harris campaign deceives the reader with an overly simplistic understanding of ivf by using a gotcha moment. Ivf always causes abortions. THAT bit of info the Biden-Harris campaign does not want the public to understand and would rather the public view ivf as a compassionate means to give babies to those who desperately want them. For TT to explain this would have taken more time in another discussion, as he stated. If you believe that sacred life begins at conception, then whom do you trust to guide, Biden-Harris or Tuberville ? If you're okay with abortion, then you're okay with ivf and the Biden-Harris team promoting the practice. Life begins at the moment of conception. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftfield 2,598 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 49 minutes ago, Elephant Tipper said: You've left the reader to assume that by "dumbass" you refer to the seeming contradiction that TT wants Alabamians to have more babies, but opposes the specific practice of ivf would give more babies. Not knowing your understanding of ivf I'll try to clarify. As a Christian, I, as most, know that life begins at the moment of conception which ivf does produce and the eggs are then not just some protoplasm which can be used in scientific experiments like ivf. Ivf produces multiple fertilized eggs, which are babies at their earliest form and are therefore sacred before God and man. The process of ivf is one of selection by the physician who decides which baby is to be implanted with the hope of producing a viable baby (-ies). The remaining fertilized eggs are discarded like trash, abortion, sometimes not and are frozen ((another discussion unto itself). Again, these eggs are sacred life. Once fertilized eggs are implanted, then, after a period of time, the physician further decides which implanted eggs remain and which are to be aborted. Ivf cheapens life and dishonors God, especially with the subtle practice of aborting fertilized eggs. Life is precious at all stages, especially as an embryo which cannot defend itself. The Biden-Harris campaign deceives the reader with an overly simplistic understanding of ivf by using a gotcha moment. Ivf always causes abortions. THAT bit of info the Biden-Harris campaign does not want the public to understand and would rather the public view ivf as a compassionate means to give babies to those who desperately want them. For TT to explain this would have taken more time in another discussion, as he stated. If you believe that sacred life begins at conception, then whom do you trust to guide, Biden-Harris or Tuberville ? If you're okay with abortion, then you're okay with ivf and the Biden-Harris team promoting the practice. Life begins at the moment of conception. All of this, yet you fail to see that Tuberville's argument is still stupid because taking IVF away means fewer children will be born - the opposite of what he says he wants. Whether you agree with abortion or not has no bearing on that fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Tipper 430 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 8 minutes ago, Leftfield said: All of this, yet you fail to see that Tuberville's argument is still stupid because taking IVF away means fewer children will be born - the opposite of what he says he wants. Whether you agree with abortion or not has no bearing on that fact. No, again, ivf promotes abortion, which TT, as a Christian, is against, whether it causes more births or not. TT is pro life. Why would he promote a policy that includes abortion ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,423 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Nope. CTT is a true embarrassment to the state of Alabama and that says a lot, really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunInRed 16,409 Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 18 minutes ago, Leftfield said: All of this, yet you fail to see that Tuberville's argument is still stupid because taking IVF away means fewer children will be born - the opposite of what he says he wants. Whether you agree with abortion or not has no bearing on that fact. ^^gets it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunInRed 16,409 Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 You do realize how many Christian, Pro-Life families only have children today because of IVF, correct? So you’re right, it’s not so simple. IVF literally makes life possible for who even knows how many millions of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 4,931 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Elephant Tipper said: You've left the reader to assume that by "dumbass" you refer to the seeming contradiction that TT wants Alabamians to have more babies, but opposes the specific practice of ivf would give more babies. Not knowing your understanding of ivf I'll try to clarify. As a Christian, I, as most, know that life begins at the moment of conception which ivf does produce and the eggs are then not just some protoplasm which can be used in scientific experiments like ivf. Ivf produces multiple fertilized eggs, which are babies at their earliest form and are therefore sacred before God and man. The process of ivf is one of selection by the physician who decides which baby is to be implanted with the hope of producing a viable baby (-ies). The remaining fertilized eggs are discarded like trash, abortion, sometimes not and are frozen ((another discussion unto itself). Again, these eggs are sacred life. Once fertilized eggs are implanted, then, after a period of time, the physician further decides which implanted eggs remain and which are to be aborted. Ivf cheapens life and dishonors God, especially with the subtle practice of aborting fertilized eggs. Life is precious at all stages, especially as an embryo which cannot defend itself. The Biden-Harris campaign deceives the reader with an overly simplistic understanding of ivf by using a gotcha moment. Ivf always causes abortions. THAT bit of info the Biden-Harris campaign does not want the public to understand and would rather the public view ivf as a compassionate means to give babies to those who desperately want them. For TT to explain this would have taken more time in another discussion, as he stated. If you believe that sacred life begins at conception, then whom do you trust to guide, Biden-Harris or Tuberville ? If you're okay with abortion, then you're okay with ivf and the Biden-Harris team promoting the practice. Life begins at the moment of conception. I know a lot of people in church every Sunday that would disagree with this ...........whatever it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of A Tiger 561 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 hours ago, RunInRed said: Holy dumbass I would vote for Tubs in a heartbeat over any democrat in Alabama I can think of. I don't agree with everything he does but he is out with the people and transparent. He is for sure better than the lap dog Doug Jones that he beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunInRed 16,409 Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 2 hours ago, auburnatl1 said: With Ga having MTG .. I’ll see your idiot senator, and raise you our shouldn’t even have a drivers license, bat sh!t crazy congresswoman. Tubs might be the dumbest but I agree, it’s a deep bench. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of A Tiger 561 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 And then there is Biden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 4,931 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 13 minutes ago, Elephant Tipper said: No, again, ivf promotes abortion, which TT, as a Christian, is against, whether it causes more births or not. TT is pro life. Why would he promote a policy that includes abortion ? Have you ever considered that IVF may be God's will? This could be how so many prayers are answered. Another view... Is it your belief that God himself aborts babies? Explain a miscarriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of A Tiger 561 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, AU9377 said: Have you ever considered that IVF may be God's will? This could be how so many prayers are answered. Another view... Is it your belief that God himself aborts babies? Explain a miscarriage. If you are a believer in Jesus Christ and even a casual reader of the Bible you should know the answer to this. But that's not for me to judge, JMHO. In any event I'll stop there because it will lead into a 10 page thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 4,931 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, Son of A Tiger said: If you are a believer in Jesus Christ and even a casual reader of the Bible you should know the answer to this. But that's not for me to judge, JMHO. In any event I'll stop there because it will lead into a 10 page thread. The second question.... asked in jest really, fits your reply. The first does not and any argument that the answer is clearly found in scripture is a theological falsehood. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of A Tiger 561 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, AU9377 said: The second question.... asked in jest really, fits your reply. The first does not and any argument that the answer is clearly found in scripture is a theological falsehood. Says you/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Tipper 430 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 32 minutes ago, RunInRed said: You do realize how many Christian, Pro-Life families only have children today because of IVF, correct? So you’re right, it’s not so simple. IVF literally makes life possible for who even knows how many millions of people. How many babies were killed to have those who were born ? Yes, it is simple if you claim to be pro life. Those who say they are pro life and promote ivf either are ignorant of the details of the procedure or are not pro life. A person cannot be pro life and promote the death of other babies to satisfy their desire for a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Tipper 430 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 32 minutes ago, AU9377 said: Have you ever considered that IVF may be God's will? This could be how so many prayers are answered. Another view... Is it your belief that God himself aborts babies? Explain a miscarriage. I'm not willing to expand the discussion, only limiting it to the premise. Purposely killing a baby to create a baby is not God's will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftfield 2,598 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 51 minutes ago, Elephant Tipper said: No, again, ivf promotes abortion, which TT, as a Christian, is against, whether it causes more births or not. TT is pro life. Why would he promote a policy that includes abortion ? Then he should say that instead of making a stupid argument. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Tipper 430 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Leftfield said: Then he should say that instead of making a stupid argument. TT wasn't arguing. He answered a simple question. Having said that, what was "dumb" about his comment ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftfield 2,598 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, Elephant Tipper said: TT wasn't arguing. He answered a simple question. Having said that, what was "dumb" about his comment ? Are you...really being serious here? I explained it in my first response. He said he wants more babies. IVF provides more babies. Reporter points that out, he freezes. Nothing about abortion, he just stands there slack-jawed. You can inject your beliefs all you want in an attempt to defend him - dude's a buffoon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Tipper 430 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, Leftfield said: Are you...really being serious here? I explained it in my first response. He said he wants more babies. IVF provides more babies. Reporter points that out, he freezes. Nothing about abortion, he just stands there slack-jawed. You can inject your beliefs all you want in an attempt to defend him - dude's a buffoon. You didn't read or don't understand the consequences of ivf. Ivf involves the abortion of some embryos in order to have a live birth. To be logical, you're better off saying that you are okay with aborting embryos in order to have a live birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftfield 2,598 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Elephant Tipper said: You didn't read or don't understand the consequences of ivf. Ivf involves the abortion of some embryos in order to have a live birth. To be logical, you're better off saying that you are okay with aborting embryos in order to have a live birth. Nobody mentioned anything about abortion until you brought it up. I know full well what IVF is. Has no bearing on Tuberville's statement. You're putting words in Tuberville's mouth, I'm going by what he actually said. It really wouldn't have been hard for him to say what you're saying, but he didn't. He's a moron. Edited February 23 by Leftfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnatl1 4,914 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Elephant Tipper said: No, again, ivf promotes abortion, which TT, as a Christian, is against, whether it causes more births or not. TT is pro life. Why would he promote a policy that includes abortion ? I respect your belief. But it’s a belief. Please don’t imply it’s true for all Christians. It’s mainly southern evangelical - which i understand is much of TTs constituency. Respectfully, it’s a complex subject. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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