concerning lashlee

[aubiefifty 16,840]

i want some one to prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is the cause of all of auburns problems on o this year. if you have no proof all you are doing is speculating and probably slandering someone who might not be guilty of anything. yall gonna throw a brick through his office window next? the buck stops and starts with gus. reguardless gus is in charge and his job is on the line and he knows it. he got lashless back from samford and we come within seconds of a natty. i am sure this will get locked. do not smear someone because you are butthurt. or provide me with proof positive he is in fact the culprit. mods if this is a no no please let me know.

[AuburnSpider 2]

Ok encourage both to seek other opportunities. Gus should be familiar with Auburns recent history and if he's indeed that stubborn then it's on him.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

While he is certainly not the end all and be all of all of our problems this season, it's not hard to argue that we could use improvement in the QB development area. Even Nick didn't show major improvement even when it was made clear that they were focusing an entire off-season on improving his passing.

I think Lashlee is fine as an OC (though who ever called Peyton up the middle on 90% of our first downs needs to be smacked in the back of the head), and I think we can certainly win if he stays, but I also think that we'd be better off with Craig coaching QBs and someone with receiver coaching in their background coaching receivers. The problem is, that leaves us one coach over the limit.

Side note, as I mentioned in another thread, I think it would benefit Gus to have someone else with an established offensive strategy on staff to scheme with him instead of someone who only knows his system.

[aubiefifty 16,840]

if he deserves it fine. but we do not know. and gus once said he was qb coach and would not send any qb to another guru to mess them up. no link cus i saw it on the tube.......

[tombigbeetiger 223]

Ok encourage both to seek other opportunities. Gus should be familiar with Auburns recent history and if he's indeed that stubborn then it's on him.

that is a wonderful idea !!!!!!

[lionheartkc 6,150]

if he deserves it fine. but we do not know. and gus once said he was qb coach and would not send any qb to another guru to mess them up. no link cus i saw it on the tube.......

The quote was something to the effect that Gus didn't want Nick Marshall to go to a QB guru because he didn't want him learning another style, and came during the off season when they were supposed to be improving his passing. That was actually discussed at length in another thread as to what the true reasoning behind that was. I personally think, since Gus brought up eligibility no less than 3 times when discussing that topic, it had something to do with the fact that QB gurus aren't cheap and, to not break NCAA regulations, the parents have to pay for it.

[leglessdan 1,934]

if he deserves it fine. but we do not know. and gus once said he was qb coach and would not send any qb to another guru to mess them up. no link cus i saw it on the tube.......

The quote was something to the effect that Gus didn't want Nick Marshall to go to a QB guru because he didn't want him learning another style, and came during the off season when they were supposed to be improving his passing. That was actually discussed at length in another thread as to what the true reasoning behind that was. I personally think, since Gus brought up eligibility no less than 3 times when discussing that topic, it had something to do with the fact that QB gurus aren't cheap and, to not break NCAA regulations, the parents have to pay for it.

NM still threw for over 2500yds and rushed for 1000.

[Mikey 16,662]

People just want somebody to blame and Lashlee is the popular target. I don't care who the OC is, lose your assumed top QB to a mental block, # 2 to a knee injury and #3 to arm surgery and your offense is going into the tank.

Lashlee has been an intregal part of three of the top four offenses in AU history. If you need somebody to bash, fine, but just admit what you are doing and why. Lashlee has earned better.

[autan 740]

We have some folks that just need a designated whipping boy each year. Two years ago it was Jake Holland. Actually it was Jake for two straight years. IMO we'd have had a national championship if JH had played more in second half when defense was out of sync. Just one man's opinion of course. But last year there was no Jake, so Ellis Hohnson became the sacrificial lamb. And this year same folks are trying to kick Rhett to the curb for offensive woes. Maybe they're right. Who really knows? But someone has to take the fall!

[Strychnine 1,802]

It has been popular to question playcalling throughout the season, but I do not really have a problem with it. Most of the "questionable" calls were calls that would have resulted in big gains or TD's if executed properly. The only calls I disagree with are all the FG's instead of TD's, but that's just my own perspective. I understand the reasons (valid ones) for calling it either way. There are plenty of people that question the call to throw a pass if it falls incomplete or fails to convert or fails to score, and maintain the opinion the call should have been a run instead. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, but clairvoyant they're not. Debating that is always an exercise in opinionated futility.

I think Lashlee understands Gus better than anyone else he could likely hire, and I'm not sure Gus would work well with an OC that questioned his concepts. More importantly, I think Gus trusts Lashlee more than he would anyone else he could likely hire. I could probably live with a change in QB coaching, but I don't think firing the OC is the answer. I only say that because I would prefer the JJ experience not be repeated, and I think 2 years is enough time for red flags to have manifested themselves.

That said, I have no burning desire to see any offensive staff changes.

[aubiefifty 16,840]

thank you lion. my point is if lashlee is not to blame then we are blaming someone and maybe hurting their rep down the road. it is not fair. now if he is at fault? lets hope the right call is made. until then i consider him an auburn man.............

[3rdgeneration 6,469]

I like your points, OP.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

thank you lion. my point is if lashlee is not to blame then we are blaming someone and maybe hurting their rep down the road. it is not fair. now if he is at fault? lets hope the right call is made. until then i consider him an auburn man.............

Yea... I think you may be giving too much credence to the value of what a fan base thinks. Outside of this lovely little website, our rantings aren't worth beans. The fans can blame Lashlee or anyone else all we want and his reputation, at least in real coaching circles, won't even have a smudge on it.

I do agree that Auburn taught us better than to dog on someone, especially when we have no real knowledge of anything going on behind the scenes.

[Eagle Eye 7 2,535]

I agree that RH is not the problem, but I also believe he can not help the problem either. Point is that RH is not a major recruiting influence. I think he has limited experience towards producing great QBs (NM and Cam was coached up elsewhere). And he is a clone of CGM as far as his offense pedigree, so he can not offer CGM a different point of view. I think personally CGM would do better if he had a counter personality in the OC position. If not, let CGM be the HC/OC and use the extra spot for another coach on the field for another position. WDE

[auburnphan 6,050]

People just want somebody to blame and Lashlee is the popular target. I don't care who the OC is, lose your assumed top QB to a mental block, # 2 to a knee injury and #3 to arm surgery and your offense is going into the tank.

Lashlee has been an intregal part of three of the top four offenses in AU history. If you need somebody to bash, fine, but just admit what you are doing and why. Lashlee has earned better.

I think Lashlee needs to spend more time teaching less athletic, dynamic playmakers at the QB position on the check downs, movement in pocket and other fundamentals of being a QB instead of relying on special gifts that the QB has, anyone can look good doing that. We have all seen Cam develop a pocket awareness, knowing where the check downs are and general awareness of the defensive scheme. While this could all fall on the QB they recruited, we need improvement in that area. Developing a complete QB is not easy, but needs to happen with every single one to the best of their abilities.

[NoALtiger 3,868]

I still don't understand some of the decisions made (going away from the running game in several games for example) but I think by far the biggest obstacle this year was the JJ debacle. Hard to recover when the heir apparent tanks. Not really a plan B for this scenario. Guys did all the can I guess.

[IronMan70 3,277]

People just want somebody to blame and Lashlee is the popular target. I don't care who the OC is, lose your assumed top QB to a mental block, # 2 to a knee injury and #3 to arm surgery and your offense is going into the tank.

Lashlee has been an intregal part of three of the top four offenses in AU history. If you need somebody to bash, fine, but just admit what you are doing and why. Lashlee has earned better.

I think Lashlee needs to spend more time teaching less athletic, dynamic playmakers at the QB position on the check downs, movement in pocket and other fundamentals of being a QB instead of relying on special gifts that the QB has, anyone can look good doing that. We have all seen Cam develop a pocket awareness, knowing where the check downs are and general awareness of the defensive scheme. While this could all fall on the QB they recruited, we need improvement in that area. Developing a complete QB is not easy, but needs to happen with every single one to the best of their abilities.

I agree about QB coaching. When it comes to running the offense and coaching up QBs, we can't really be sure who is responsible for what. Obviously Gus and Rhett know but it's intentionally kept vague. However the QB position is the most important on the team and it effects the offense and defense more than any other position.

On evaluating, developing and preparing QBs, there is enough evidence out there to indicate that those specific duties need to be assigned to a top QB coaching specialist. That job is just too critical to the success of the team to settle for anything less. So whatever it takes, if that means shifting some people around or adding a top QB coach to the staff in some way, Gus needs to get the best QB coaching possible.

[Shift 350]

People just want somebody to blame and Lashlee is the popular target. I don't care who the OC is, lose your assumed top QB to a mental block, # 2 to a knee injury and #3 to arm surgery and your offense is going into the tank.

Lashlee has been an intregal part of three of the top four offenses in AU history. If you need somebody to bash, fine, but just admit what you are doing and why. Lashlee has earned better.

And, I might add, that I suspect Lashlee is like son to Gus. They have been together for years. It is also very likely that they are a package deal. If so, I seriously doubt that Gus would fire him.

IMO, Lashlee ain't going nowhere.

[leglessdan 1,934]

People just want somebody to blame and Lashlee is the popular target. I don't care who the OC is, lose your assumed top QB to a mental block, # 2 to a knee injury and #3 to arm surgery and your offense is going into the tank.

Lashlee has been an intregal part of three of the top four offenses in AU history. If you need somebody to bash, fine, but just admit what you are doing and why. Lashlee has earned better.

And, I might add, that I suspect Lashlee is like son to Gus. They have been together for years. It is also very likely that they are a package deal. If so, I seriously doubt that Gus would fire him.

IMO, Lashlee ain't going nowhere.

And shouldn't. He's a young coach. It'll turn around, but people are too impatient these days. It's a shame. And mostly it's the same people that claim we can't get consistency going....lol. Wonder how we do that?

[metafour 4,969]

And, I might add, that I suspect Lashlee is like son to Gus. They have been together for years. It is also very likely that they are a package deal. If so, I seriously doubt that Gus would fire him.

Gus is coaching for his job next year. He's done more than enough for Lashlee; a guy that is honestly making way too much money based off of very little merit. Does anyone have a cushier position than Lashlee? Making up to $600K after vaulting from GA-status on the sole basis of "no one knows Malzahn's offense better", and to this day no one even knows just how much he's responsible for on the field LOL.

Is it all Lashlee's fault? Probably not, but he simply makes way too much money, and the product on the field is way too poor for him to just slide through.

[TigerTennis80 345]

I'm a professor, have been for more than 20 years, & have gotten lots of affirmation that I'm a good one. AND occasionally I have a class that doesn't work. Sometimes I can pinpoint the problem & work to solve it. Sometimes I can't. Sometimes there seems to be some kind of elusive chemistry issue that resists all my efforts to understand it & fix it. After all my success in the classroom, I still occasionally find myself baffled by these situations. Thank heavens it's occasional! So this year's offense didn't work, but my experience working with young people means I'm not ready to call Rhett a failed coach. As noted, he's been part of 3 great offenses for us. Maybe he's hit his ceiling, or maybe this was 1 of those baffling years.

[1957 0]

If we ran Peyton or Jovan up the middle 90% of the time on first down we would be much better off... whoever thinks that is what we do or that is the problem has never coached,played or broken down game film...our downfall is the abandonment of the running game to include the zone read...whoever is responsible for that decision is the problem...

[augolf1716 21,248]

And, I might add, that I suspect Lashlee is like son to Gus. They have been together for years. It is also very likely that they are a package deal. If so, I seriously doubt that Gus would fire him.

Gus is coaching for his job next year. He's done more than enough for Lashlee; a guy that is honestly making way too much money based off of very little merit. Does anyone have a cushier position than Lashlee? Making up to $600K after vaulting from GA-status on the sole basis of "no one knows Malzahn's offense better", and to this day no one even knows just how much he's responsible for on the field LOL.

Is it all Lashlee's fault? Probably not, but he simply makes way too much money, and the product on the field is way too poor for him to just slide through.

^^This^^ son or not it's time to cut the cord. We have got to move on

[AUIH1 1,515]

And, I might add, that I suspect Lashlee is like son to Gus. They have been together for years. It is also very likely that they are a package deal. If so, I seriously doubt that Gus would fire him.

Gus is coaching for his job next year. He's done more than enough for Lashlee; a guy that is honestly making way too much money based off of very little merit. Does anyone have a cushier position than Lashlee? Making up to $600K after vaulting from GA-status on the sole basis of "no one knows Malzahn's offense better", and to this day no one even knows just how much he's responsible for on the field LOL.

Is it all Lashlee's fault? Probably not, but he simply makes way too much money, and the product on the field is way too poor for him to just slide through.

Amen!! Time for hand holding is over. Gus needs to win next year or he will be gone.

wde

[Strychnine 1,802]

And, I might add, that I suspect Lashlee is like son to Gus. They have been together for years. It is also very likely that they are a package deal. If so, I seriously doubt that Gus would fire him.

Gus is coaching for his job next year. He's done more than enough for Lashlee; a guy that is honestly making way too much money based off of very little merit. Does anyone have a cushier position than Lashlee? Making up to $600K after vaulting from GA-status on the sole basis of "no one knows Malzahn's offense better", and to this day no one even knows just how much he's responsible for on the field LOL.

Is it all Lashlee's fault? Probably not, but he simply makes way too much money, and the product on the field is way too poor for him to just slide through.

While I haven't been all over Lashlee's throat at any point, I can agree with that. He is paid dearly for an unproven guy aside from Gus, there's no doubting that.