Fox News Contributer leaves

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7 minutes ago, AU64 said:

Come on TT....surely you know the best way to make a splash of something is to share it with just a few people as if they are a chosen group to confide in. ..which makes the information all the more valuable.. 

As for being a conservative?  ..do you know his views on immigration, the strength of the US dollar,  bank regulation, the recent tariff proposals,  the recent tax cut and how it would affect the US economy, things that real conservatives are interested in ?

He was a military specialist....that was it....could be very liberal on other matters but nobody at Fox ever asked him and did not care what he thought about those things and I'm betting you have no idea what his views are there either.

Sounding like you have a very one dimensional view of conservatism which is surprising to me. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fox-news-contributor-quits_us_5ab238afe4b054d118de7ee6

Retired Army Lt. Col. Ralph Peters, in a sharply worded email to colleagues obtained by BuzzFeed and The New York Times, said he decided not to renew his contract with Fox News. Peters, who once referred to former President Barack Obama as a “total *****” who was being “date raped” by Russian President Vladimir Putin, contributed to the network for about a decade.

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19 minutes ago, AU64 said:

Come on TT....surely you know the best way to make a splash of something is to share it with just a few people as if they are a chosen group to confide in. ..which makes the information all the more valuable.. 

And while that's not an unreasonable thing to wonder, it's not the same thing as fact.

 

19 minutes ago, AU64 said:

As for being a conservative?  ..do you know his views on immigration, the strength of the US dollar,  bank regulation, the recent tariff proposals,  the recent tax cut and how it would affect the US economy, things that real conservatives are interested in ?

No, but I know he voted straight Republican except for Trump.  I don't know a whole lot of moderates and liberals who would typically do such a thing.

 

19 minutes ago, AU64 said:

He was a military specialist....that was it....could be very liberal on other matters but nobody at Fox ever asked him and did not care what he thought about those things and I'm betting you have no idea what his views are there either.

Sounding like you have a very one dimensional view of conservatism which is surprising to me. 

There's literally nothing in his comments or record to suggest that he's liberal.  It comes off as just floating things out there to minimize his opinions on FOX rather than thoughtful, considered comments based on anything known.

It's not that I hold a one-dimensional view of conservatism.  I just don't take mere speculation that he's not based on literally nothing as something worthy of serious consideration.

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29 minutes ago, AU64 said:

As for being a conservative?  ..do you know his views on immigration...

He doesn't seem like a fan:

https://www.hoover.org/research/deep-history-and-europes-migrant-crisis-media-present-dishonest-one-sided-picture

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Maybe he is a conservative like Gen. Colin Powell for example. ..and guess you never met a liberal Republican?  or members of the military who are liberal of which there are many at high levels ?

JMO, but you are stereotyping the guy based on his military service and his point of view about military strategy.  

But whatever the case...he is gone and not going to be missed by many Fox viewers...just saying..... 

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Just now, AU64 said:

Maybe he is a conservative like Gen. Colin Powell for example. ..and guess you never met a liberal Republican?  or members of the military who are liberal of which there are many at high levels ?

I've met them.  I just have yet to see a single shred of evidence that he is one.  Yet this is the sort of argument being used to minimize or dismiss his broadside at FOX.

 

 

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Doesn't strike me as an economic liberal either:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/20/venezuela-socialism-trump-anti-social-ralph-peters

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7 minutes ago, AU64 said:

Maybe he is a conservative like Gen. Colin Powell for example. ..and guess you never met a liberal Republican?  or members of the military who are liberal of which there are many at high levels ?

JMO, but you are stereotyping the guy based on his military service and his point of view about military strategy.  

But whatever the case...he is gone and not going to be missed by many Fox viewers...just saying..... 

It's not a stereotype.  Titan is providing ample evidence in this thread that the guy is a conservative, or at the very least, a Republican.  You're doing mental gymnastics here in an apparent attempt to shield your own views about Fox, despite receiving a counter-view from someone who has been a long-time contributor to the network.

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Looks like he has been anti-Trump pre election. Given the way Fox has treated the Trump administration vs. other outlets hard to believe he has continued to contribute this long.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/ralph-peters-vote-despicable-corrupt-clinton-trump/

 I don't want Moscow's man in the White House."

 Peters said Trump is lying to blue-collar workers.

 "People need skills for the jobs of the future," Peters said. "This cult of Trump is going to lead a lot of places—

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13 hours ago, TitanTiger said:

That perhaps he has a point and that Fox is changing in significant ways that even a staunch conservative should be concerned about?

Have you, or anyone here, noticed any such changes?

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10 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

Have you, or anyone here, noticed any such changes?

That’s what I’m saying. I don’t get that vibe

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34 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said:

It's not a stereotype.  Titan is providing ample evidence in this thread that the guy is a conservative, or at the very least, a Republican.  You're doing mental gymnastics here in an apparent attempt to shield your own views about Fox, despite receiving a counter-view from someone who has been a long-time contributor to the network.

I have to disagree FWIW. Titan is speculating as much as anyone. Nothing wrong with that since there are no facts here, just Peter's OPINION. As has been pointed out Peters is a small fish in a big pond. I have seen him on FOX at the same time as General Keene and seen Keene regularly disagree with him. Can you, or anyone, point to any changes at FOX to back up his comments?

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10 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

Have you, or anyone here, noticed any such changes?

I will say that I have and don't; watch it much any more....Hannity is repetitive and argumentative and about 5 minutes of him is all I can handle. ....and pretty much for Tucker Carlson......gotten where I watch some of the 6 PM news but mostly the last 20 minutes where there is usually some good discussion without people trying to talk over everyone.    If a person has conservative orientation, Fox is about the only option ...but you have to pick and choose. 

But the other options...CNN, MSNBC lost me a long time ago.  

Good thing for my cable company that they have SEC sports and I have to be signed up to get on streaming line for AU sports or I would probably cut the cord. 

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3 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

I have to disagree FWIW. Titan is speculating as much as anyone. Nothing wrong with that since there are no facts here, just Peter's OPINION. As has been pointed out Peter's is a small fish in a big pond. I have seen him on FOX at the same time as General Keene and seen Keene regularly disagree with him. Can you, or anyone, point to any changes at FOX to back up his comments?

Titan hasn't speculated.  He's provided evidence of Peter's past conservative stances by using links.  The issue we're discussing with 64 is in regards to his speculation that Peter wasn't actually a conservative.

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2 minutes ago, AU64 said:

I will say that I have and don't; watch it much any more....Hannity is repetitive and argumentative and about 5 minutes of him is all I can handle. ....and pretty much for Tucker Carlson......gotten where I watch some of the 6 PM news but mostly the last 20 minutes where there is usually some good discussion without people trying to talk over everyone.    If a person has conservative orientation, Fox is about the only option ...but you have to pick and choose. 

But the other options...CNN, MSNBC lost me a long time ago.  

Good thing for my cable company that they have SEC sports and I have to be signed up to get on streaming line for AU sports or I would probably cut the cord. 

I guess I haven't seem much change though with Hannity, Carlson, or anyone else. Certainly nothing related to Peter's comments.

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7 minutes ago, AU64 said:

I will say that I have and don't; watch it much any more....Hannity is repetitive and argumentative and about 5 minutes of him is all I can handle. ....and pretty much for Tucker Carlson......gotten where I watch some of the 6 PM news but mostly the last 20 minutes where there is usually some good discussion without people trying to talk over everyone.    If a person has conservative orientation, Fox is about the only option ...but you have to pick and choose. 

But the other options...CNN, MSNBC lost me a long time ago.  

Good thing for my cable company that they have SEC sports and I have to be signed up to get on streaming line for AU sports or I would probably cut the cord. 

Thanks for not shielding your views about Fox 64 

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16 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said:

Titan hasn't speculated.  He's provided evidence of Peter's past conservative stances by using links.  The issue we're discussing with 64 is in regards to his speculation that Peter wasn't actually a conservative.

I have no argument that Peters is a conservative. But conservatives as well as liberals are not as clearly defined these days as in the past. I'm just saying there is a lot of speculation as to what Peter's beef is and what changes at FOX he is referring to. In any event he was really just on on occasion with the same old hawkish comments. He had some good comments but he got to be boring and monotonous. I bet 99% of FOX watchers won't know he's gone.

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12 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

I have no argument that Peters is a conservative. But conservatives as well as liberals are not as clearly defined these days as in the past. I'm just saying there is a lot of speculation as to what Peter's beef is and what changes at FOX he is referring to. In any event he was really just on on occasion with the same old hawkish comments. He had some good comments but he got to be boring and monotonous. I bet 99% of FOX watchers won't know he's gone.

Ya know, Titan said my spiritual gift is speculation. Perhaps my insight is profound indeed. 

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Dude nailed it.

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1 hour ago, SaltyTiger said:

Looks like he has been anti-Trump pre election. Given the way Fox has treated the Trump administration vs. other outlets hard to believe he has continued to contribute this long.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/ralph-peters-vote-despicable-corrupt-clinton-trump/

 I don't want Moscow's man in the White House."

 Peters said Trump is lying to blue-collar workers.

 "People need skills for the jobs of the future," Peters said. "This cult of Trump is going to lead a lot of places—

Anti-Trump does not equate to "non-conservative."  In fact, many people disagree with or opposed Trump precisely BECAUSE OF their conservatism, not in spite of it or because they are closet liberals.  In this instance, he says prior to the line you quoted:

"Stuart, I think Hillary Clinton is despicable," he said. "She has committed criminal acts. She's greedy, she's corrupt, and yes, I'm going to vote for her. I'm going to vote for Republicans down the ballot, but I'm voting for Hillary Clinton because it's a vote against Donald Trump. I don't want Moscow's man in the White House."

The story went on to say:

Hillary Clinton's domestic policies repel me. She's awful, but she's safer for this country's security than Donald Trump, and I think Vladimir Putin has a deep hold on Trump, and we should all be much more alarmed than we are."

Peters has never been shy about voicing his disdain for Clinton. He once called her "demented" for suggesting we find ways to empathize with our enemies.

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3 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

Anti-Trump does not equate to "non-conservative."  In fact, many people disagree with or opposed Trump precisely BECAUSE OF their conservatism, not in spite of it or because they are closet liberals.  In this instance, he says prior to the line you quoted:

"Stuart, I think Hillary Clinton is despicable," he said. "She has committed criminal acts. She's greedy, she's corrupt, and yes, I'm going to vote for her. I'm going to vote for Republicans down the ballot, but I'm voting for Hillary Clinton because it's a vote against Donald Trump. I don't want Moscow's man in the White House."

The story went on to say:

Hillary Clinton's domestic policies repel me. She's awful, but she's safer for this country's security than Donald Trump, and I think Vladimir Putin has a deep hold on Trump, and we should all be much more alarmed than we are."

Peters has never been shy about voicing his disdain for Clinton. He once called her "demented" for suggesting we find ways to empathize with our enemies.

I know Anti-Trump does not equate to conservatism. Simply pointing out that I am surprised he continued with Fox.  

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6 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

I know Anti-Trump does not equate to conservatism. Simply pointing out that I am surprised he continued with Fox.  

Well that's kind of his whole point.  He couldn't continue any longer once his contract was up because they've become the Trump Cheerleader Network.

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8 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

Well that's kind of his whole point.  He couldn't continue any longer once his contract was up because they've become the Trump Cheerleader Network.

I don't see that at all. I think FOX is the most balanced of all the cable news networks. But if they are pro Trump good because the others are clear Trump haters. It just seems that you want to use this one nobody to make a big deal about FOX being biased.

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8 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

Well that's kind of his whole point.  He couldn't continue any longer once his contract was up because they've become the Trump Cheerleader Network.

The fact that there was a contract doesn't mean he was "locked in" to "continue" for the duration of the term of the contract. In order to make that determination, you'd have to read all of the language in the contract first. Thus, Salty's insight could very well be on point. Perhaps it is surprising that he continued with FOX in the first place. 

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9 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

I don't see that at all. I think FOX is the most balanced of all the cable news networks. But if they are pro Trump good because the others are clear Trump haters. It just seems that you want to use this one nobody to make a big deal about FOX being biased.

Well I do see it.  Maybe I'm a nobody too, but popularity and fame don't determine whether someone's observations on something are valid.

FOX isn't balanced.  It's just as tilted, just in the opposite direction.

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Most all the hard core Trump folks I know considered this guy a "Never-Trumper", his comments pretty much confirm that to them.

Whether or not you can conclude anything from his letter/departure WRT to Fox News is very much in the eye of the beholder. I would hardly consider him a regular on the network like a show host, obviously, but I believe he was insightful in his sphere of knowledge (he was a Lt Col. in the military). Beyond that, meh.