Of the 27 Deadliest Mass Shooters, 26 of Them Had One Thing in Common

[homersapien 11,370]

Just now, AU64 said:

Do you really think these young guys spend their days or evenings listening to news or interviews with political leaders?    You must be kidding or living in a fantasy world if you think Fox or DT is influencing the 18-23 year olds of this country.     

The really sad thing is that politically motivated adults are using these events for their own purposes.....while the young men of the country are spending their time playing GTA and other realistic games of mayhem to entertain themselves...and probably giving themselves some ideas to stoke their dark thoughts.  

No, I think they spend most of their time confirming their biases on the internet. 

But the president's tweets and comments and the constant refrain from Fox reinforcing the message provide additional and even more powerful confirmation. (They don't call it the "bully pulpit" for nothing.) 

(And I have witnessed the power of Fox propaganda first hand in my own family.)

This president has been an abysmal failure at providing moral leadership and that failure is represented by the increasing level of xenophobia and violence by radicals and radical groups in the country.

The failure to see that is what is indicative of "living in a fantasy world".

[SaturdayGT 719]

Wasnt 2 of the 3 past shooters all influenced by Antifa? I also heard Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders thrown about as well.... 

[DKW 86 7,419]

45 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said:

Well the math you're presenting is misleading.  The instance of gun violence as it relates to mass shooting perpetrators is what you show.  The overall rate for gun violence is much higher.

In 2017, there were 4.43 deaths via gun for every 1,000 people.  That was worse than Afghanistan or Iraq.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/08/05/743579605/how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries-in-deaths-from-gun-violence

That same year, 73% of all homicides in this country were by the gun.  That's way higher than some significant countries like Canada or the U.K.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

 

If you use the suicide number and mislead everyone, yes.

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

5 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

If you use the suicide number and mislead everyone, yes.

The numbers with suicide removed are about 2 for every 1000.  Still much higher than you were presenting earlier.

[Tiger Sue 325]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Well for one thing, males and females have different brain anatomy:

 

 

In some cases, I won't call names, that's a blessing

[Tiger Sue 325]

1 hour ago, SaturdayGT said:

Wasnt 2 of the 3 past shooters all influenced by Antifa? I also heard Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders thrown about as well.... 

That can't be possible. Only Trump can be held accountable

[kevon67 2,368]

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

So what exactly was their problem?  I agree that radical groups - and gangs - prey upon young men who feel alienated and who value the feelings of being part of a group.

Meanwhile, many of our children are learning white supremacy and white nationalism from the internet and we make it all too easy for them to conduct terrorist activities.

But terrorism is terrorism.    Unless you are identifying actionable solutions to stop it,  making excuses for these people is pointless. 

I agree with that only I wouldn't limit it to white supremacy and white nationalism.........and for the record I dont get the feeling you are.........when we were young we watched the news or an adult answered questions you may have.........the internet super highway is a whole new beast.......you can learn to make a bomb, get detailed instructions on how to pick locks and break into a safe, etc.......for all the good the internet provides it has a terrible dark side.

[triangletiger 1,599]

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

Well for one thing, males and females have different brain anatomy:

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.1018.2610&rep=rep1&type=pdf

And then there's cultural conditioning on top of that.

 

Don't tell that to the transgender folks.

[DKW 86 7,419]

1 hour ago, Brad_ATX said:

The numbers with suicide removed are about 2 for every 1000.  Still much higher than you were presenting earlier.

Do math much?

 

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

43 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Do math much?

 

Every day.  You said:

"I am just saying that even at 250? The instance of gun violence is 250/330,000,000 or .0000076% "

Well that's far from accurate.  At ~2 per 1,000 it's actually about .002%.  Mathematically that's a far cry.  Actually a 26,000% increase from the numbers you showed.

Keep in mind that's just people who died via gun that isn't suicide.  It does not include other acts of gun violence like shootings with injuries, armed robberies, etc.

[AU64 10,122]

6 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

There’s a lot of divorce is many countries. 

https://news.yahoo.com/hate-ruled-motive-still-mystery-054533549.html   corrected story

[AU64 10,122]

1 hour ago, DKW 86 said:

Do math much?

 

Suicide takes the lives of over 44,965 Americans every year. (CDC)

 

[AU64 10,122]

5 hours ago, Brad_ATX said:

It's amazing that you dismiss the idea of kids being influenced by leaders despite having written manifestos in some cases echoing the same words, but you then accept the idea that video games are the problem despite research saying otherwise.

It's a great display of cognitive dissonance.

Nope...just common sense and distrust of the so called research on the subject...more likely these guys are parroting the stuff that has been posted on some of those sites for years....copycat incidents have been a problem for a long time....still going on.  

[DKW 86 7,419]

Well, yall have convinced me...

Lets outlaw guns and solve America's problems...
Then we can outlaw alcohol and solve Americs's Alcoholism Problems...
Then we can outlaw drugs and solve America's Drug Addiction Problems...

It's all so simple now, why havent we tried this before...

[DKW 86 7,419]

5 hours ago, Brad_ATX said:

Every day.  You said:

"I am just saying that even at 250? The instance of gun violence is 250/330,000,000 or .00000076% " corrected

Well that's far from accurate.  At ~2 per 1,000 it's actually about .002%.  Mathematically that's a far cry.  Actually a 26,000% increase from the numbers you showed.

Keep in mind that's just people who died via gun that isn't suicide.  It does not include other acts of gun violence like shootings with injuries, armed robberies, etc.

Who was talkiing about people????

My Stat was 330,000,000 guns...There were no people involved. There were 250 "Mass Shootings." Actually my stat works out just slightly more because i did not count on the MS shooter using more than one gun.  because often the shooter carried more than one gun. The chance that a random weapon of any kind would be chosen to be used in the next MS (using a 3gun/MS avg) 750/330,000,000 you get .00000227%

You not only mistranslated my point, you then went from "MS" to "Non-suicidal gun violence." You get kudos for at least being one of the very very very to at least try and give honest numbers. But we are talking Apples to Bowling Balls. There is literally no comparison.

[DKW 86 7,419]

9 hours ago, homersapien said:

This argument is irrational.  

We could have 3 or 4 of these attacks per day and the percent of perpetrators to our total population is still going to be very small.  That ratio is meaningless. It doesn't prove or even demonstrate anything.

In fact, one could say the same thing to claim radical Islamist terrorism is not really as serious as we think.  There are 1.8 billion Muslims (24.1% of the world's population). The number of radical Islamic terrorists as a percent of Muslims is going to be very small.  But that doesn't mean it's not a significant issue - it most certainly is.

The only thing that counts is the number of incidents. How many do we want to allow before taking meaningful action? 

Or to put it another way, what is the minimum percentage of the population perpetrating these shootings required to prompt serious concern?

If you had read my posts (<er>) you have heard me atalking about limiting gun sales, enhancing background checks very much, develpoment of a far better set of data, tying all that to mental illness reports from physicians, increasing the ability oif police to remove guns from people and homes, etc. Increase NSA surveillance of the Alt-Right, etc. Of course you didnt read that anymore than you will read this. 

The regulation of 330M guns and the costs of regulating 330M guns that we all agree are not going to ever be used in any crimnal activity, especially not a MS, is just a waste of time. We can do it and spend $100Ms doing it and achieve absolutely nothing. We have to find a way to address the people who are going to do the shootings. That will take all the above. Slapping another piece of legislation together and accomplishing nothing is just as bad a waste of time as doing nothing from the start. 

[japantiger 4,051]

I think an interesting cut of both the numbers discussed above  would be to look at the ratio of gun deaths per thousand or hundred thousand to gun ownership in just the locations that are responsible for 99% of the homicides (top 20 cesspools in the country, all run by Democrats for multiple generations by the way) and the rest of the country.  Most of those 330m guns are in places where there are 0 homicides of any kind ... Like my neighborhood. 

Pretending that anything a politician is going to cook up on this topic now will have any impact on homicides, by adding red tape to my life, or any of the lives of the those of us not living in Democrat-socialist-cesspool-land, is a serious waste of brain cells.  Oh, and also unconstitutional.  

 

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

8 hours ago, AU64 said:

Nope...just common sense and distrust of the so called research on the subject...more likely these guys are parroting the stuff that has been posted on some of those sites for years....copycat incidents have been a problem for a long time....still going on.  

So you're discounting educational pursuits and scientifically backed information because you think you know better despite having nothing to back that up.  Got it.

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

6 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Who was talkiing about people????

My Stat was 330,000,000 guns...There were no people involved. There were 250 "Mass Shootings." Actually my stat works out just slightly more because i did not count on the MS shooter using more than one gun.  because often the shooter carried more than one gun. The chance that a random weapon of any kind would be chosen to be used in the next MS (using a 3gun/MS avg) 750/330,000,000 you get .00000227%

You not only mistranslated my point, you then went from "MS" to "Non-suicidal gun violence." You get kudos for at least being one of the very very very to at least try and give honest numbers. But we are talking Apples to Bowling Balls. There is literally no comparison.

You weren't very clear in your post that you were referring to guns.  Sorry if I mis-translated, but that was not readily apparent, especially when the population of the U.S. is also about 330M.

[DKW 86 7,419]

1 hour ago, Brad_ATX said:

You weren't very clear in your post that you were referring to guns.  Sorry if I mis-translated, but that was not readily apparent, especially when the population of the U.S. is also about 330M.

Guilty, I assumed from the graphic posted above it that the 250# would just be assumed by the reader.

[McLoofus 35,182]

9 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Well, yall have convinced me...

Lets outlaw guns and solve America's problems...
Then we can outlaw alcohol and solve Americs's Alcoholism Problems...
Then we can outlaw drugs and solve America's Drug Addiction Problems...

It's all so simple now, why havent we tried this before...

Because wanting to shoot other human beings is as natural and easily acted-upon inclination as wanting to feel good.

What an idiotic false equivalency. 

 

[McLoofus 35,182]

2 hours ago, Brad_ATX said:

So you're discounting educational pursuits and scientifically backed information because you think you know better despite having nothing to back that up.  Got it.

Half this forum explained. 

[TexasTiger 12,848]

9 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Well, yall have convinced me...

Lets outlaw guns and solve America's problems...
Then we can outlaw alcohol and solve Americs's Alcoholism Problems...
Then we can outlaw drugs and solve America's Drug Addiction Problems...

It's all so simple now, why havent we tried this before...

Alcohol is regulated. Bad moonshine kills people. You can’t serve a person who’s had too much to drink. An intoxicated person is subject to confinement even if they’ve done nothing else wrong. 

Guns can be reasonably regulated without being outlawed. Most people drink reasonably most of the time. Most gun owners act reasonably most of the time. Excesses cause problems, as is often true with most things. Would you want guys with AR15s and 100 round clips hanging out around little league games and public playgrounds? State fairs? College Football games?

[homersapien 11,370]

19 hours ago, Tiger Sue said:

In some cases, I won't call names, that's a blessing

I provide you a straight answer relating to a subject you apparently didn't know much about, and the best you can do is a smartass crack?

And you decry the lack of decorum on this forum.

[DKW 86 7,419]

My point this that we have had numerous failures trying to manage humanity. Those that try to manage others soon find out that they have done nothing but make things worse.