PTB Update

[Mikey 16,580]

7 minutes ago, GTNupe11 said:

That's all it takes huh? A couple 7-8 win seasons and always losing bowl games and maybe beating Saban two times.

Not much on math and history, are you?

[Mikey 16,580]

22 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

Wait, did the NCAA try to dissuade us from hiring Pearl? Was he not free and clear? 

Why would there be anything reasonable about a "trade-off" for his success? 

Why does Auburn deserve any punishment that another program might not receive?

When we hired Pearl he was still under "show cause" by the NCAA and was clearly Persona Non Grata with them.

"Why does Auburn deserve any punishment that another program might not receive?"

That's just the point. We don't deserve it but we will get that punishment from them if there is any way they can punish us without being totally obvious about their prejudicial actions.

[bigbird 60,513]

11 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Not much on math and history, are you?

You're right, it's much more than a couple.

[Mikey 16,580]

13 minutes ago, bigbird said:

You're right, it's much more than a couple.

Yes, three wins over UAT is 50% more than a couple.

[bigbird 60,513]

12 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Yes, three wins over UAT is 50% more than a couple.

7-8 wins a year is a more than a couple too

[Tiger 8,823]

I will raise hell if NCAA touches our bball program while Will Wade is caught on wiretaps making "STRONG ASS OFFERS", his exact words, to buy commitments from players and remains untouched. Hell no. You guys will see me on the national news for acting a fool at the NCAA offices lol

[gr82be 14,423]

1 hour ago, WalkingCarpet said:

But don't you dare consider cancelling your tickets or donations. You better stay in line like a good little sheep soldier because being critical of anything done in the name of Auburn is heresy. 

Not enough people would do this but that's seems to be the last recourse for fans to be heard. If Auburn University is seriously okay with losing 4 games a year then it's not the Auburn University that I once knew. The same university that hired Pat Dye to change things and put us on a level playing field with other contenders. My Lord, this Auburn administration would still be playing in Bham. They are pathetic. If what PTB says is true and it seems it always is, then we may as well get comfy being a stepping stone for LSU, Georgia and Bama as we have been in most seasons. Most of us are already apathetic with a loss. When the administration feels this way, and by all indications they like it, then what hope do we have. Unbelievable but it's really JABA. 

[GwillMac6 20,671]

2 hours ago, AU64 said:

Yep..afraid that's true.    Those who encourage AU to go against the NCAA on such things are really just inviting retribution. ...but in this case what was done is done and maybe we just consider the success that BP has enjoyed as a reasonable trade-off for what the NCAA will likely do.       JMO but it's not over....til it's over. ..which is probably not yet.

How in the blue hell have we gone against the NCAA? Please point to it. Because even when we hired Pearl his show cause was almost up in a couple of months.. He did his time away from the game for 3 seasons after UT fired him. We sat out Wiley and Purifoy for a whole season when the Person news broke. Does that look like spitting in the NCAA face to you? We have cooperated more than any other school. We went against them so much we sat out Purifoy last year a additional 9 games. MY GOODNESS WE ARE A REGULAR REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE HERE!!!!!!! We have cooperated with them this whole time. Kansas got hit with level one infractions in september which are the most severe. Auburns case is unique because AGAIN Person got payments trying to steer players to sign with certain agents for when they LEFT Auburn. These other cases families got money and payments so they would go to said school during the recruiting process and sign with them. 

The Kansas basketball program received a notice of allegations from the NCAA on Monday detailing multiple major violations, the University of Kansas confirmed. Kansas is accused of committing three Level I violations -- the most severe in the NCAA rulebook. A responsibility charge is also being levied against Hall of Fame coach Bill Self and KU is also charged with a lack of institutional control. 

Several Level II violations have also been levied against the football program dating back to the previous coaching regime under David Beaty, according to Yahoo Sports, which first reported the notice of allegations. Those violations are less serious in nature and reportedly include charges of allowing an extra coach to work during practice.

Kansas' alleged violations in basketball stem from the FBI's recent investigation into the sport related to corruption and bribery. The probe roped in Kansas when T.J. Gassnola, a former Adidas consultant, testified about his involvement in funneling money to the mother of former KU basketball player Billy Preston and to the guardian of current KU basketball player Silvio De Sousa. Last week, reports surfaced indicating an NOA -- with major rules violations allegations -- was likely imminent for the program.

Self would be subject to coach responsibility penalty guidelines adopted by the NCAA in the wake of recommendations from the Commission on College Basketball. That means he could be suspended for up to a year.

Kansas is expected to mount a vigorous defense, a source told CBS Sports' Dennis Dodd, saying it felt "strong[ly]" about the NCAA's accusations. Late Monday, the Jayhawks began that defense with a statement from Kansas' Office of Public Affairs. In part, it reads as follows:

It is already clear from an initial review that the University will fiercely dispute in detail much of what has been presented.

First and foremost, the University emphasizes that it emphatically rejects the assertion that Adidas and Adidas employees and associates were boosters and agents of the University (as defined by NCAA legislation) during the period of the alleged violations and therefore acting on the University's behalf when they engaged in alleged violations of NCAA bylaws.

As for the allegations regarding Head Men's Basketball Coach Bill Self, voluminous evidence demonstrates uncontestably that he did, in fact, promote an atmosphere of compliance and fully monitor his staff. The University firmly and fully supports Coach Self and his staff. [...]

The University strongly disagrees with the assertion that it "lacks of institutional control." In fact, the University believes that the record will demonstrate just the opposite. [...]

We understand this is a unique moment in collegiate athletics, and we recognize the NCAA finds itself in a challenging position. But we don't believe these allegations are the most appropriate way to address long-standing challenges in college basketball.

NCAA investigators were sent to Kansas to look into both the football and basketball programs, Dennis Dodd reported this spring. In June, Dodd reported that at least six schools would be hit with Level I violations as the FBI's investigation continues to reverberate throughout the college basketball landscape.

The earliest the case could be concluded is approximately six months from now if the typical investigatory timeline is followed. The concerned parties now have 90 days to file a response to the NOA. After that, the NCAA has 60 days to file its reply brief. Then a hearing in front of an NCAA infractions panel is scheduled.

That would put a decision on the case into Spring 2020. The lack of institutional control allegation puts a potential postseason ban into play. However, due to the timeline of the case, one person close to the situation told Dodd that the possibility of a postseason ban "highly unlikely" for the 2019-20 season.

That wouldn't preclude Kansas from applying a self-imposed penalty as a show of good faith to the NCAA. However, that doesn't seem to be Kansas' stance at the moment.

Kansas is the second known school to receive a NOA with Level I violations to date, joining NC State, which in July announced it had been hit by the NCAA with multiple Level I and Level II violations. KU is expected to release a copy of the notice of allegations.

 

Kansas is in this position because of NCAA rule changes that allow it to accept information that has been developed "by another administrative body or a commission authorized by a school." In this case, the FBI's case as presented at trial with evidence in the form of wiretaps and texts involving both Self and top assistant Kurtis Townsend. 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/kansas-basketball-hit-with-major-ncaa-violation-charges-stemming-from-fbi-probe/

[oracle79 3,569]

20 hours ago, passthebiscuits said:

Greene is a peace-keeper.

That's probably worse news than the admins/PTB/BoT's satisfaction with Gus. We need to move to a non power 5 conference in football if that is all accurate.

[gr82be 14,423]

3 minutes ago, oracle79 said:

That's probably worse news than the admins/PTB/BoT's satisfaction with Gus. We need to move to a non power 5 conference in football if that is all accurate.

I had a lot of hope with Greene after he stood tall for Bruce Pearl but the peace-keeper statement is concerning. There's a difference between remaining calm during a storm and leading the way through it or being passive and making no ripples in the water. With the golden parachute that we gave Gus he has little reason to be concerned about anything and now we can add his boss to that list. 

[Mike4AU 1,739]

If Greene is a peace-keeper, that suggests to me that he doesn’t want any boiling cauldrons on his watch because he is using AU as a steppingstone for a different job.  If that is the case it sure will lower my opinion of him.  I sure hope this isn’t the case. 

[The Freak 2,527]

21 hours ago, Swamp Eagle said:

It's whatever 75% of the remainder of his contract is at a given time, as I understand it.  At the beginning of the new contract it was $49,000,000 X 0.75 or $36, 750,000, etc.....unreal.

If it's 75% of the remainder, then we should go ahead and do it.  and then claim the 25% as savings.

[gravejd 3,270]

10 minutes ago, gr82be said:

I had a lot of hope with Greene after he stood tall for Bruce Pearl but the peace-keeper statement is concerning. There's a difference between remaining calm during a storm and leading the way through it or being passive and making no ripples in the water. With the golden parachute that we gave Gus he has little reason to be concerned about anything and now we can add his boss to that list. 

You have to be a peace keeper to survive as AD at any school. They answer to Pres, Board, and fans in that order. Anyone who thought Greene was going to come in and tell everyone how its going to be was fooling themselves. If he is here for many years and has some good coaching hires under his belt then the power shifts a bit more to where he can have some leeway in telling folks how its going to be. He isn't there yet.....

What we have to hope for is that the Board and Pres get tired of treading water with Malzahn and that Greene does an awesome job with finding the next coach. And that he doesn't do anything stupid and repeat/extend that awful contract Gus was given to start with

[Tiger 8,823]

Maybe Greene is just being a peace keeper for now as he knows we can't fire Gus due to the money. I'm not saying PTB is wrong at all, he's extremely plugged in, but it seems weird that he would be passive with the Gus situation but was on the offensive with Bruce and fighting Leath to keep Bruce at AU. I'm trying to be optimistic when it comes to ADAG in this particular instance. I have been a fan of his so far and the Bruce thing is a main reason why in my personal opinion.

[1auburn1 1,116]

So we tried to run Tubs out on a rail when he was 38-24 (61%) overall and 23-17 (58%) SEC and Gus is 62-31 (66%) and 33-23 (59%) and we're happy as clams.       Makes no sense.

[AU64 10,122]

1 hour ago, GwillMac6 said:

Because even when we hired Pearl his show cause was almost up in a couple of months.

Right...before the "show cause" was over....and when NCAA issues a show cause, they expect the member schools to honor it. ….and preferably to give the designated culprit the cold shoulder for a while longer too.    AU  made it's decision and that's fine...but don't be foolish enough to think that nobody from the NCAA was irked over it. ...and hosting Freeze and maybe wooing ABriles…..these are not actions that the NCAA is gonna just ignore....JMO.  

[auburnphan 6,050]

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[gr82be 14,423]

1 hour ago, gravejd said:

You have to be a peace keeper to survive as AD at any school. They answer to Pres, Board, and fans in that order. Anyone who thought Greene was going to come in and tell everyone how its going to be was fooling themselves. If he is here for many years and has some good coaching hires under his belt then the power shifts a bit more to where he can have some leeway in telling folks how its going to be. He isn't there yet.....

What we have to hope for is that the Board and Pres get tired of treading water with Malzahn and that Greene does an awesome job with finding the next coach. And that he doesn't do anything stupid and repeat/extend that awful contract Gus was given to start with

Not that I thought an AD would have carte blanche to do anything he wanted but I was very happy when JJ left and we hired Greene. Maybe I'm confused by the title but the AD should be directing the ship, not going along for the ride handing out seasick pills to the passengers. That's not my definition of peace, it's complacency. I hear what your saying, I don't disagree that he has to be the calm face for the public but there are a lot of unhappy fans and financial supporters that want change for the better for football. I don't think the majority who care are at peace with where Auburn is right now. 

[GTNupe11 2,033]

3 hours ago, Mikey said:

Not much on math and history, are you?

Nah, that's why I became a lawyer. 

[AURex 1,994]

I'm not laying this on Greene's head. I definitely do not consider him a spineless "peace keeper."

Greene will not be permitted to fire Gus until a new President is in place at Auburn. He is not an autonomous dictator over the athletic department. He is part of an administration which, at present, is headed by a temp.

 

[gr82be 14,423]

12 minutes ago, AURex said:

I'm not laying this on Greene's head. I definitely do not consider him a spineless "peace keeper."

Greene will not be permitted to fire Gus until a new President is in place at Auburn. He is not an autonomous dictator over the athletic department. He is part of an administration which, at present, is headed by a temp.

 

This part certainly makes some sense and it's not one that I was thinking about. Thanks for the reminder. Man I hate this crap. 

[keesler 5,924]

24 minutes ago, AURex said:

I'm not laying this on Greene's head. I definitely do not consider him a spineless "peace keeper."

Greene will not be permitted to fire Gus until a new President is in place at Auburn. He is not an autonomous dictator over the athletic department. He is part of an administration which, at present, is headed by a temp.

 

Greene wants to keep peace with all AU sports, the Administration, the BOT & PTB.  He saw how fast the media hounds jumped on Gus, Harbert, Leath last year and he saw Leath go down in flames.  As long as things just rock along with no lawsuits in any sport and no FBI investigation into our coaches or student-athletes Greene will continue to keep the peace.  

He seriously needs to get on the ball with the facility upgrades and additions and stop dragging his feet and staling like Jacobs did.  There is no timeline for construction to even commence and its high time someone get this thing rolling.

[AUBourne 425]

Was just thinking about the facilities. There should be a 5 year, 10 and 20 year blueprint. A living document to plan and manage funds, facilities  & equipment to include real property, IT and finances. There should be no guess work, or last minute approvals.  Fund raising should be a constant for a general fund not for one building at a time. A full time staff to manage it to include Civil engineers, financial specialist, IT engineers, & AD rep that's knows each organization's current and future requirements. And a Project management professional to run it all. Does AU have this? Cause from the outside it seems like they just wait until a requirement becomes a dire need and then they start trying to raise money. Everything seems so amateurish.

[oracle79 3,569]

1 hour ago, gr82be said:

Maybe I'm confused by the title but the AD should be directing the ship, not going along for the ride handing out seasick pills to the passengers.

You and me both. Isn't Gogue famous for saying, "I don't fire coaches, I fire AD's"? And wasn't Auburn under SACS probation for the BoT having too much direct influence on the athletics program? So what's the actual organizational chart at AU? Seems to me that the AD should be making all decisions about the head coaches in athletics at least. But, I guess it doesn't work that way despite quotes, and SACS, at least at Auburn.

Let the coaches coach their sports and hire/fire their assistants; let the AD do his job and hire/fire head coaches based on University expectations and the ability or inability of the head coaches to achieve those expectations; let the President do his job and hire/fire the AD based on his ability to run the athletic department and achieve or not achieve it's goals; and, let the BoT hire and fire the President based on his ability to achieve or not achieve the goals of the University.

[AUApostle 7,651]

50 minutes ago, keesler said:

Greene wants to keep peace with all AU sports, the Administration, the BOT & PTB.  He saw how fast the media hounds jumped on Gus, Harbert, Leath last year and he saw Leath go down in flames.  As long as things just rock along with no lawsuits in any sport and no FBI investigation into our coaches or student-athletes Greene will continue to keep the peace.  

He seriously needs to get on the ball with the facility upgrades and additions and stop dragging his feet and staling like Jacobs did.  There is no timeline for construction to even commence and its high time someone get this thing rolling.

You have to wonder if the job may be too big for him?  It's a difficult situation for any AD at an SEC West program that has high expectations for it's big 3 sports and a PTB that, from all accounts, has no leadership.  I just hope he's not making decisions based on self-preservation (which is what seemed to plague JJ's stint) and is trying to build through boldness and vision.  I've seen a fun. likable, and smart guy...but so far I haven't witnessed evidence of boldness.  But I'm a total outsider.