AURex 2,021 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I am no Gus apologist. I'm as frustrated as everyone else. But this same discussion has been going for years. Look at the previous names touted as great choices to replace Gus. I remember Norvell, Herman, Patterson, and Frost seriously promoted as potential saviors of the Auburn program. Well, they were all hired to save programs that had winning tradition and resources. Yet despite great recruiting advantages at Texas and FSU, nobody has been impressed with the results. And Frost fizzled too. (Patterson has stuck with TCU and declined.) Now writ on the Auburn fan list it's Cristobal, Fleck, Campbell, and Frickell -- and we are relieved that we did not mistakenly hire Herman, Norvell or Frost. I don't know the answer. I'm not eager to keep Gus, but I know that I do not want Auburn to be the next Tennessee, cycling through coaches that look pretty on paper but can't get the job done. I'm not convinced Fleck would leave the Midwest. Despite good recruiting and great resources, Cristobal has not dominated the Pantiwaist Athletic Conference. Campbell seems to be a solid coach, but with no SEC ties, and Frickell is, so far, a one year wonderboy. One person who is now ready to be recruited away from Clemson is Venables. And he doesn't have the Saban Stink all over him. If he could bring Clemson's OC with him, I'd see that as a home run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToomersStreet 795 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Lance Leipold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUght2win 6,857 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 29 minutes ago, AURex said: I don't know the answer. I'm not eager to keep Gus, but I know that I do not want Auburn to be the next Tennessee, cycling through coaches that look pretty on paper but can't get the job done. I totally feel you, but when people say "we don't want to be Tennessee" I actually hear "we don't want be Clemson". As a program we have all the tools to be the latter. I'd rather cycle through coaches and be Tennessee than to continue through this agonizing mediocrity. Yesterday it was clear our HC had no gameplan to try to win. In the IB. There was nothing clever. Never any desperation or changes once we got down. It's like watching an NFL preseason game. That is INEXCUSABLE. I just can't stand it anymore. Give me somebody, anybody who will fight tooth and nail, and not run the program like a neutered robot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo Didley 146 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I could get behind Kiffin or Sarkisian. kiffin is a riot and his players seem to love him. Sark hit rock bottom in his personal life and bounced back. I don’t judge a man and his vices. His offense is breaking records and lightning up score boards. both seem to be QB developers also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUpreacherman22 3,888 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 This is really the only relevant thread on this board! All we can do is dream of a new HC rescuing our program from mediocrity until it finally happens. side note: the people posting “I don’t like this one guy because he lost that one game that one time against that one team.” are hilarious!!! I would be happy interviewing any of the realistic and reasonable names mentioned in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnphan 6,050 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 6 hours ago, AUFriction said: Yep... such a great recruiter... you should really sit this one out, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo Didley 146 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Thoughts ? Eric Bieniemy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker 2,457 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Wow...I keep coming back to this thread and bothered it keeps getting longer. Maybe not 'bothered,". Just annoyed. Gus annoys me. Couple of fresh ideas: 1. 100% certain if Auburn swapped coaches we would not become a Tenn type. Why? Every coach since 1980 has won and won big at Auburn. Either undefeated seasons, NC games, conference championships - every coach since Barfield. Heck - I could make a case for a few NCs in there also. ALL OF THEM: Dye, Bowden, Tubs, Chiz and Gus have won big at Auburn. We would not become Tenn. 2. Who do I want? I am not sure, but I know the type or profile. I want a coach who hates to lose. Gus does not hate to lose. 2017 LSU postgame comments confirmed that, "this is not the end of the world." His words spoken after giving up a 20 point lead on the road. 3. We need an edgy coach who can recruit with the dirty and grimey likes of Saban, Pruitt and Smart.. Someone like T- Will, who has swagger. I am not saying T Will is the man. Maybe he is, idk. Someone who understands it is an expectation to win 50% of the games vs your rivals, but you better hate losing any of them. Gus does not comprehend this. Lastly - the man doesn't have to be a HC today or even an OC/DC. Sam Pittman was neither and played a HC at Juco for 18 months. Dabo Sweeney had never been an OC or HC. Find the guy who fits the profile and you have your next Pat Dye type coach - someone who will be here for the right reasons and for the long haul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker 2,457 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 5 hours ago, ToomersStreet said: Lance Leipold I have no idea who this guy is, but he hates to lose. You don't dominate for that many yrs without adapting to your recruiting classes and competition. Also - you can't just have a system and win like this without hating to lose. System coaches are 'lightning in a bottle' kinda guys. The high school coach from Ark who doesn't punt - he hates to lose. I saw his documentary. We need that kind of mental approach (not him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToomersStreet 795 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Beaker said: I have no idea who this guy is, but he hates to lose. You don't dominate for that many yrs without adapting to your recruiting classes and competition. Also - you can't just have a system and win like this without hating to lose. System coaches are 'lightning in a bottle' kinda guys. The high school coach from Ark who doesn't punt - he hates to lose. I saw his documentary. We need that kind of mental approach (not him). I feel like that should be a cautionary tale to every power 5 program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 16,656 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Beaker said: 1. 100% certain if Auburn swapped coaches we would not become a Tenn type. Why? Every coach since 1980 has won and won big at Auburn. One way to look at that is that we've been very, very lucky shooting dice and we're due to roll snake eyes. Don't forget Florida. With all of their talent and resources, they had to hire and fire two coaches and are now on their third since Urban Crier left Gainesville. It may be time to get a new coach, it may not be but thinking anyone will be a huge initial success just because the few before him were isn't a reasonable thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone1430 1,346 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, Mikey said: One way to look at that is that we've been very, very lucky shooting dice and we're due to roll snake eyes. Don't forget Florida. With all of their talent and resources, they had to hire and fire two coaches and are now on their third since Urban Crier left Gainesville. It may be time to get a new coach, it may not be but thinking anyone will be a huge initial success just because the few before him were isn't a reasonable thought. Another way to look at that is pure fear. Let’s be afraid of the unknown and keep mediocrity going instead of trying to better the program, even if we fail. And you bring up Florida. I wish we could have gone through two coaches in the past 8 years to finally find our Dan Mullen and be 28-6 in the past 3 seasons and ranked in the top 7 three straight seasons. It’s time to get a new coach and he probably won’t be an initial success because you have Gus system players who only know how to run 2 routes and have high school fundamentals, but unless he’s a complete dumpster fire we have the resources to allow any competent coach to be successful. Don’t fear failure. Fear the absence of progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodford 3,660 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 12 hours ago, Bo Didley said: Thoughts ? Eric Bieniemy He’s probably getting an NFL job. Personally, I hope the Falcons hire him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gc2525 17 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 7:52 AM, gc2525 said: Here are my picks for new Coach: Luke Fickell Steve Sarkisian The major issue is we need to get rid of CGM, he is killing the program. Still sticking with these two guys as CGM replacement..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casatiger 514 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 We need a guy who can come in and look at our talent and build the offense around it and then effectively recruit against Saban, Kirby, Mullen, etc... to build the team to their liking. Thats a short list but there are coaches that can do that. We don't have that now unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo Didley 146 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, woodford said: He’s probably getting an NFL job. Personally, I hope the Falcons hire him. I figure the same. I would like to see him as a HC just not sure at Auburn for job#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 11,012 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Sarkisian is the best bet with, believe it or not, the lowest risk, imo. If he hadn’t been an alcoholic, he would more than likely still be coaching at USC. USC is the Bama type job of the West coach. When a coach gets hired there, he’s earned it. If he didn’t work out for us, it would just be bad luck. There little room to say that he was a dud hire. And we took a risk in his ability to coach like Malzahn, Tubs and Chizik. And hell if none of what I just said convinces you, Saban thinks he’s worth the risk. And Nick Saban is infinitely better at evaluating everything football than anyone on this board or even anyone envolved with Auburn at all. So I trust his judgment. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUApostle 7,651 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said: Sarkisian is the best bet with, believe it or not, the lowest risk, imo. If he hadn’t been an alcoholic, he would more than likely still be coaching at USC. USC is the Bama type job of the West coach. When a coach gets hired there, he’s earned it. If he didn’t work out for us, it would just be bad luck. There little room to say that he was a dud hire. And we took a risk in his ability to coach like Malzahn, Tubs and Chizik. I have questions about him. Good offensive mind, but Gus-like results at Washington and USC before the implosion. I also don't think his battles with alcoholism make him low-risk, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 34,000 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, AUDevil said: I have questions about him. Good offensive mind, but Gus-like results at Washington and USC before the implosion. I also don't think his battles with alcoholism make him low-risk, either. True but learning under the best cannot hurt. Not saying I want him, but could do much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToomersStreet 795 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 10 hours ago, tbone1430 said: Another way to look at that is pure fear. Let’s be afraid of the unknown and keep mediocrity going instead of trying to better the program, even if we fail. And you bring up Florida. I wish we could have gone through two coaches in the past 8 years to finally find our Dan Mullen and be 28-6 in the past 3 seasons and ranked in the top 7 three straight seasons. It’s time to get a new coach and he probably won’t be an initial success because you have Gus system players who only know how to run 2 routes and have high school fundamentals, but unless he’s a complete dumpster fire we have the resources to allow any competent coach to be successful. Don’t fear failure. Fear the absence of progress. One thing EVERYONE in the Auburn family must take into consideration with the new coach is extreme and unconditional patience. Since 2016 Gus has recruited 1.75 offensive lineman out of high school. Currently he only has two committed. This has been what has held the offense back since 2018 and clearly it is not getting resolved. Next guy has a major rebuilding task ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 34,000 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Whoever coaches, I would love to see them bring in Derek Mason in some sort of AHC/DC role. That would be freaking amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinstonMcFlurry 28 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I think its foolish to look seriously at any coach with only year of big success, get someone with maybe a not incredible record at a place that is hard to win at (Campbell, Leipold, Clark, Brown). Connections DO NOT MATTER if you win you get recruits, its that simple. Saban and Miles coached in the Midwest before their joining and they seemed to do pretty well in recruiting. We are not getting any NFL guys lol, I can assure you Eric Bieniemy and Joe Brady do not want to deal with 17 year olds on a daily basis. We need a program builder, a guy who will adapt with the times, and a guy who will raise money for facilities. Personally I like Clark, but there are a ton of guys I see floated here that either going to be abject failures almost certainly, or we have no chance of getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creed 1,642 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 All of this talk is jello and a wall. Not exactly how I would go about a coaching hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburn4ever 1,266 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 #1 Mario Cristobal, #2 Hugh Freeze and #3 Lane Kiffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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