Per Jay G. Tate

[PowerOfDixieland 3,226]

maybe Im mistaken but it seemed to me the wheels started to come off right around the time of Whiteheads suspension. The team was never the same after that.

Harbison?

[cooltigger21 0]

maybe Im mistaken but it seemed to me the wheels started to come off right around the time of Whiteheads suspension. The team was never the same after that.

They had some trouble against MSU but the offense put them in horrible position to start the game off. South Carolina was the catalyst really. The Ole Ball Coach exposed the defense and gave the remaining opponents a blueprint for beating us. They almost did but just came up short.

[Eisenhower_1952 87]

The reason South Carolina was successful was because they didn't punt on 4th down. We stopped them on 3rd down, just couldn't stop them on 4th down.

[WarEagle10 77]

The reason South Carolina was successful was because they didn't punt on 4th down. We stopped them on 3rd down, just couldn't stop them on 4th down.

That's not the entire reason USCE was successful. They moved the ball up and down the field on us all night long....as did A&M, UGA, and bama.

[TheBlueVue 177]

maybe Im mistaken but it seemed to me the wheels started to come off right around the time of Whiteheads suspension. The team was never the same after that.

They had some trouble against MSU but the offense put them in horrible position to start the game off. South Carolina was the catalyst really. The Ole Ball Coach exposed the defense and gave the remaining opponents a blueprint for beating us. They almost did but just came up short.

maybe Im mistaken but it seemed to me the wheels started to come off right around the time of Whiteheads suspension. The team was never the same after that.

They had some trouble against MSU but the offense put them in horrible position to start the game off. South Carolina was the catalyst really. The Ole Ball Coach exposed the defense and gave the remaining opponents a blueprint for beating us. They almost did but just came up short.

No doubt. Production on the defensive side of the ball fell off a cliff after the USCe game. I agree with that but it was just weird how different they looked. As the season progressed the tackling got progressively worse. In fact, that side of the ball regressed as much as any I have ever closely followed.

[cooltigger21 0]

The reason South Carolina was successful was because they didn't punt on 4th down. We stopped them on 3rd down, just couldn't stop them on 4th down.

Fact remains they converted those 4th downs and scored points, which is the name of the game.

[FASTCOMPANY 394]

maybe Im mistaken but it seemed to me the wheels started to come off right around the time of Whiteheads suspension. The team was never the same after that.

Harbison?

Yuup, I think that's our biggest problem...

[cooltigger21 0]

maybe Im mistaken but it seemed to me the wheels started to come off right around the time of Whiteheads suspension. The team was never the same after that.

They had some trouble against MSU but the offense put them in horrible position to start the game off. South Carolina was the catalyst really. The Ole Ball Coach exposed the defense and gave the remaining opponents a blueprint for beating us. They almost did but just came up short.

maybe Im mistaken but it seemed to me the wheels started to come off right around the time of Whiteheads suspension. The team was never the same after that.

They had some trouble against MSU but the offense put them in horrible position to start the game off. South Carolina was the catalyst really. The Ole Ball Coach exposed the defense and gave the remaining opponents a blueprint for beating us. They almost did but just came up short.

No doubt. Production on the defensive side of the ball fell off a cliff after the USCe game. I agree with that but it was just weird how different they looked. As the season progressed the tackling got progressively worse. In fact, that side of the ball regressed as much as any I have ever closely followed.

It was weird no doubt. I can't think of a time when I have ever seen that happen.

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,670]

What we liked about Muschamp as a DC was his passion and chest bumping with players. If you watched the FSU Florida game that was the old Muschamp. While he was a Florida their D was always top of the shelf it was just the O that killed him at Florida. He would make a heck of a good DC at Auburn with the GUS O helping his Defense instead of hurting it.

If we do get him it won't be an overnight improvement like so many always think will happen. It takes time and recruiting to build a great D and the standards for Great D are different in todays game then in the past.

Problem with a guy like Muschamp who has been a HC is that he probably wants to be one again soon and would possibly be using AU as a stepping stool to a new HC job. We need some stability....someone who will be here more than 2 years.

In the coaching world 2 years is about the norm now. Gus can't afford to whiff on this one. Boom can come in and stabilize things and maybe by then, someone on the staff would be ready to step up and assume the role of DC or Gus can go out and find another candidate if need be.

We have had new coaching staffs every two years for a while and all we got out of it was bad defense and players who struggled to learn a new system every couple years. It's not marked in stone that coaches have to change that often...and I hate for AU to just be an audition for a guy looking for a HC job....we've been through that twice in recent years, once with Muschamp who like Chiz thought Texas would give him a better shot at a head coaching job.

a coach that is not trying to climb the coaching ladder looks like Ellis Johnson.

and a coach who is primarily interested in climbing the ladder looks like Muschamp ...has a couple good seasons with someone else's players and is then gone before anyone figures out that he can't teach or recruit. Like in business...you have to watch out for job jumpers in the coaching business too.

Uh, A. Tuberville's recruits were never that good, they got coached well into good players

B. 2012, 2013, and 2014 featured good defensive players that Muschamp recruited.

[TheBlueVue 177]

What we liked about Muschamp as a DC was his passion and chest bumping with players. If you watched the FSU Florida game that was the old Muschamp. While he was a Florida their D was always top of the shelf it was just the O that killed him at Florida. He would make a heck of a good DC at Auburn with the GUS O helping his Defense instead of hurting it.

If we do get him it won't be an overnight improvement like so many always think will happen. It takes time and recruiting to build a great D and the standards for Great D are different in todays game then in the past.

Problem with a guy like Muschamp who has been a HC is that he probably wants to be one again soon and would possibly be using AU as a stepping stool to a new HC job. We need some stability....someone who will be here more than 2 years.

In the coaching world 2 years is about the norm now. Gus can't afford to whiff on this one. Boom can come in and stabilize things and maybe by then, someone on the staff would be ready to step up and assume the role of DC or Gus can go out and find another candidate if need be.

We have had new coaching staffs every two years for a while and all we got out of it was bad defense and players who struggled to learn a new system every couple years. It's not marked in stone that coaches have to change that often...and I hate for AU to just be an audition for a guy looking for a HC job....we've been through that twice in recent years, once with Muschamp who like Chiz thought Texas would give him a better shot at a head coaching job.

a coach that is not trying to climb the coaching ladder looks like Ellis Johnson.

and a coach who is primarily interested in climbing the ladder looks like Muschamp ...has a couple good seasons with someone else's players and is then gone before anyone figures out that he can't teach or recruit. Like in business...you have to watch out for job jumpers in the coaching business too.

Uh, A. Tuberville's recruits were never that good, they got coached well into good players

B. 2012, 2013, and 2014 featured good defensive players that Muschamp recruited.

How is that? Muschamp left Auburn in 2006 or '07?

[Ouchyfish 67]

What we liked about Muschamp as a DC was his passion and chest bumping with players. If you watched the FSU Florida game that was the old Muschamp. While he was a Florida their D was always top of the shelf it was just the O that killed him at Florida. He would make a heck of a good DC at Auburn with the GUS O helping his Defense instead of hurting it.

If we do get him it won't be an overnight improvement like so many always think will happen. It takes time and recruiting to build a great D and the standards for Great D are different in todays game then in the past.

Problem with a guy like Muschamp who has been a HC is that he probably wants to be one again soon and would possibly be using AU as a stepping stool to a new HC job. We need some stability....someone who will be here more than 2 years.

In the coaching world 2 years is about the norm now. Gus can't afford to whiff on this one. Boom can come in and stabilize things and maybe by then, someone on the staff would be ready to step up and assume the role of DC or Gus can go out and find another candidate if need be.

We have had new coaching staffs every two years for a while and all we got out of it was bad defense and players who struggled to learn a new system every couple years. It's not marked in stone that coaches have to change that often...and I hate for AU to just be an audition for a guy looking for a HC job....we've been through that twice in recent years, once with Muschamp who like Chiz thought Texas would give him a better shot at a head coaching job.

a coach that is not trying to climb the coaching ladder looks like Ellis Johnson.

and a coach who is primarily interested in climbing the ladder looks like Muschamp ...has a couple good seasons with someone else's players and is then gone before anyone figures out that he can't teach or recruit. Like in business...you have to watch out for job jumpers in the coaching business too.

Uh, A. Tuberville's recruits were never that good, they got coached well into good players

B. 2012, 2013, and 2014 featured good defensive players that Muschamp recruited.

How is that? Muschamp left Auburn in 2006 or '07?

Don't they start with these kids when they're in 9th or 10th grade?

[TheBlueVue 177]

What we liked about Muschamp as a DC was his passion and chest bumping with players. If you watched the FSU Florida game that was the old Muschamp. While he was a Florida their D was always top of the shelf it was just the O that killed him at Florida. He would make a heck of a good DC at Auburn with the GUS O helping his Defense instead of hurting it.

If we do get him it won't be an overnight improvement like so many always think will happen. It takes time and recruiting to build a great D and the standards for Great D are different in todays game then in the past.

Problem with a guy like Muschamp who has been a HC is that he probably wants to be one again soon and would possibly be using AU as a stepping stool to a new HC job. We need some stability....someone who will be here more than 2 years.

In the coaching world 2 years is about the norm now. Gus can't afford to whiff on this one. Boom can come in and stabilize things and maybe by then, someone on the staff would be ready to step up and assume the role of DC or Gus can go out and find another candidate if need be.

We have had new coaching staffs every two years for a while and all we got out of it was bad defense and players who struggled to learn a new system every couple years. It's not marked in stone that coaches have to change that often...and I hate for AU to just be an audition for a guy looking for a HC job....we've been through that twice in recent years, once with Muschamp who like Chiz thought Texas would give him a better shot at a head coaching job.

a coach that is not trying to climb the coaching ladder looks like Ellis Johnson.

and a coach who is primarily interested in climbing the ladder looks like Muschamp ...has a couple good seasons with someone else's players and is then gone before anyone figures out that he can't teach or recruit. Like in business...you have to watch out for job jumpers in the coaching business too.

Uh, A. Tuberville's recruits were never that good, they got coached well into good players

B. 2012, 2013, and 2014 featured good defensive players that Muschamp recruited.

How is that? Muschamp left Auburn in 2006 or '07?

Don't they start with these kids when they're in 9th or 10th grade?

For that statement to be true, Muschamp would have started with those kids in the 6th grade.

[Ouchyfish 67]

What we liked about Muschamp as a DC was his passion and chest bumping with players. If you watched the FSU Florida game that was the old Muschamp. While he was a Florida their D was always top of the shelf it was just the O that killed him at Florida. He would make a heck of a good DC at Auburn with the GUS O helping his Defense instead of hurting it.

If we do get him it won't be an overnight improvement like so many always think will happen. It takes time and recruiting to build a great D and the standards for Great D are different in todays game then in the past.

Problem with a guy like Muschamp who has been a HC is that he probably wants to be one again soon and would possibly be using AU as a stepping stool to a new HC job. We need some stability....someone who will be here more than 2 years.

In the coaching world 2 years is about the norm now. Gus can't afford to whiff on this one. Boom can come in and stabilize things and maybe by then, someone on the staff would be ready to step up and assume the role of DC or Gus can go out and find another candidate if need be.

We have had new coaching staffs every two years for a while and all we got out of it was bad defense and players who struggled to learn a new system every couple years. It's not marked in stone that coaches have to change that often...and I hate for AU to just be an audition for a guy looking for a HC job....we've been through that twice in recent years, once with Muschamp who like Chiz thought Texas would give him a better shot at a head coaching job.

a coach that is not trying to climb the coaching ladder looks like Ellis Johnson.

and a coach who is primarily interested in climbing the ladder looks like Muschamp ...has a couple good seasons with someone else's players and is then gone before anyone figures out that he can't teach or recruit. Like in business...you have to watch out for job jumpers in the coaching business too.

Uh, A. Tuberville's recruits were never that good, they got coached well into good players

B. 2012, 2013, and 2014 featured good defensive players that Muschamp recruited.

How is that? Muschamp left Auburn in 2006 or '07?

Don't they start with these kids when they're in 9th or 10th grade?

For that statement to be true, Muschamp would have started with those kids in the 6th grade.

Muschamp talks to 9th grader in 2007.

Kid graduates in what, 2010?

Attends Auburn in 2010 until....

Maybe he laid the groundwork. =)

Not saying it happened, just saying it technically is possible. I don't know each recruits history in who recruited them.

[WarTiger 3,901]

What we liked about Muschamp as a DC was his passion and chest bumping with players. If you watched the FSU Florida game that was the old Muschamp. While he was a Florida their D was always top of the shelf it was just the O that killed him at Florida. He would make a heck of a good DC at Auburn with the GUS O helping his Defense instead of hurting it.

If we do get him it won't be an overnight improvement like so many always think will happen. It takes time and recruiting to build a great D and the standards for Great D are different in todays game then in the past.

Problem with a guy like Muschamp who has been a HC is that he probably wants to be one again soon and would possibly be using AU as a stepping stool to a new HC job. We need some stability....someone who will be here more than 2 years.

In the coaching world 2 years is about the norm now. Gus can't afford to whiff on this one. Boom can come in and stabilize things and maybe by then, someone on the staff would be ready to step up and assume the role of DC or Gus can go out and find another candidate if need be.

We have had new coaching staffs every two years for a while and all we got out of it was bad defense and players who struggled to learn a new system every couple years. It's not marked in stone that coaches have to change that often...and I hate for AU to just be an audition for a guy looking for a HC job....we've been through that twice in recent years, once with Muschamp who like Chiz thought Texas would give him a better shot at a head coaching job.

a coach that is not trying to climb the coaching ladder looks like Ellis Johnson.

and a coach who is primarily interested in climbing the ladder looks like Muschamp ...has a couple good seasons with someone else's players and is then gone before anyone figures out that he can't teach or recruit. Like in business...you have to watch out for job jumpers in the coaching business too.

Uh, A. Tuberville's recruits were never that good, they got coached well into good players

B. 2012, 2013, and 2014 featured good defensive players that Muschamp recruited.

Totally FALSE. Muschamp left Auburn in 2007. None of those players we have in any of those years were recruited to Auburn by Muschamp, and on the outside chance (extremely slim) that he actually even talked to any of them, they DEFINITELY didn't come to Auburn because of Muschamp. EPIC FAIL....

[TheBlueVue 177]

What we liked about Muschamp as a DC was his passion and chest bumping with players. If you watched the FSU Florida game that was the old Muschamp. While he was a Florida their D was always top of the shelf it was just the O that killed him at Florida. He would make a heck of a good DC at Auburn with the GUS O helping his Defense instead of hurting it.

If we do get him it won't be an overnight improvement like so many always think will happen. It takes time and recruiting to build a great D and the standards for Great D are different in todays game then in the past.

Problem with a guy like Muschamp who has been a HC is that he probably wants to be one again soon and would possibly be using AU as a stepping stool to a new HC job. We need some stability....someone who will be here more than 2 years.

In the coaching world 2 years is about the norm now. Gus can't afford to whiff on this one. Boom can come in and stabilize things and maybe by then, someone on the staff would be ready to step up and assume the role of DC or Gus can go out and find another candidate if need be.

We have had new coaching staffs every two years for a while and all we got out of it was bad defense and players who struggled to learn a new system every couple years. It's not marked in stone that coaches have to change that often...and I hate for AU to just be an audition for a guy looking for a HC job....we've been through that twice in recent years, once with Muschamp who like Chiz thought Texas would give him a better shot at a head coaching job.

a coach that is not trying to climb the coaching ladder looks like Ellis Johnson.

and a coach who is primarily interested in climbing the ladder looks like Muschamp ...has a couple good seasons with someone else's players and is then gone before anyone figures out that he can't teach or recruit. Like in business...you have to watch out for job jumpers in the coaching business too.

Uh, A. Tuberville's recruits were never that good, they got coached well into good players

B. 2012, 2013, and 2014 featured good defensive players that Muschamp recruited.

How is that? Muschamp left Auburn in 2006 or '07?

Don't they start with these kids when they're in 9th or 10th grade?

For that statement to be true, Muschamp would have started with those kids in the 6th grade.

Muschamp talks to 9th grader in 2007.

Kid graduates in what, 2010?

Attends Auburn in 2010 until....

Maybe he laid the groundwork. =)

Not saying it happened, just saying it technically is possible. I don't know each recruits history in who recruited them.

not buying that. Not many kids distinguish themselves in JHS as major college prospects. Kids graduating in 2010 were being recruited by Roof.

[Ouchyfish 67]

What we liked about Muschamp as a DC was his passion and chest bumping with players. If you watched the FSU Florida game that was the old Muschamp. While he was a Florida their D was always top of the shelf it was just the O that killed him at Florida. He would make a heck of a good DC at Auburn with the GUS O helping his Defense instead of hurting it.

If we do get him it won't be an overnight improvement like so many always think will happen. It takes time and recruiting to build a great D and the standards for Great D are different in todays game then in the past.

Problem with a guy like Muschamp who has been a HC is that he probably wants to be one again soon and would possibly be using AU as a stepping stool to a new HC job. We need some stability....someone who will be here more than 2 years.

In the coaching world 2 years is about the norm now. Gus can't afford to whiff on this one. Boom can come in and stabilize things and maybe by then, someone on the staff would be ready to step up and assume the role of DC or Gus can go out and find another candidate if need be.

We have had new coaching staffs every two years for a while and all we got out of it was bad defense and players who struggled to learn a new system every couple years. It's not marked in stone that coaches have to change that often...and I hate for AU to just be an audition for a guy looking for a HC job....we've been through that twice in recent years, once with Muschamp who like Chiz thought Texas would give him a better shot at a head coaching job.

a coach that is not trying to climb the coaching ladder looks like Ellis Johnson.

and a coach who is primarily interested in climbing the ladder looks like Muschamp ...has a couple good seasons with someone else's players and is then gone before anyone figures out that he can't teach or recruit. Like in business...you have to watch out for job jumpers in the coaching business too.

Uh, A. Tuberville's recruits were never that good, they got coached well into good players

B. 2012, 2013, and 2014 featured good defensive players that Muschamp recruited.

Totally FALSE. Muschamp left Auburn in 2007. None of those players we have in any of those years were recruited to Auburn by Muschamp, and on the outside chance (extremely slim) that he actually even talked to any of them, they DEFINITELY didn't come to Auburn because of Muschamp. EPIC FAIL....

LOL =) Felt like the the McClaughlin group for a second there!

[Ouchyfish 67]

What we liked about Muschamp as a DC was his passion and chest bumping with players. If you watched the FSU Florida game that was the old Muschamp. While he was a Florida their D was always top of the shelf it was just the O that killed him at Florida. He would make a heck of a good DC at Auburn with the GUS O helping his Defense instead of hurting it.

If we do get him it won't be an overnight improvement like so many always think will happen. It takes time and recruiting to build a great D and the standards for Great D are different in todays game then in the past.

Problem with a guy like Muschamp who has been a HC is that he probably wants to be one again soon and would possibly be using AU as a stepping stool to a new HC job. We need some stability....someone who will be here more than 2 years.

In the coaching world 2 years is about the norm now. Gus can't afford to whiff on this one. Boom can come in and stabilize things and maybe by then, someone on the staff would be ready to step up and assume the role of DC or Gus can go out and find another candidate if need be.

We have had new coaching staffs every two years for a while and all we got out of it was bad defense and players who struggled to learn a new system every couple years. It's not marked in stone that coaches have to change that often...and I hate for AU to just be an audition for a guy looking for a HC job....we've been through that twice in recent years, once with Muschamp who like Chiz thought Texas would give him a better shot at a head coaching job.

a coach that is not trying to climb the coaching ladder looks like Ellis Johnson.

and a coach who is primarily interested in climbing the ladder looks like Muschamp ...has a couple good seasons with someone else's players and is then gone before anyone figures out that he can't teach or recruit. Like in business...you have to watch out for job jumpers in the coaching business too.

Uh, A. Tuberville's recruits were never that good, they got coached well into good players

B. 2012, 2013, and 2014 featured good defensive players that Muschamp recruited.

How is that? Muschamp left Auburn in 2006 or '07?

Don't they start with these kids when they're in 9th or 10th grade?

For that statement to be true, Muschamp would have started with those kids in the 6th grade.

Muschamp talks to 9th grader in 2007.

Kid graduates in what, 2010?

Attends Auburn in 2010 until....

Maybe he laid the groundwork. =)

Not saying it happened, just saying it technically is possible. I don't know each recruits history in who recruited them.

not buying that. Not many kids distinguish themselves in JHS as major college prospects. Kids graduating in 2010 were being recruited by Roof.

Not buying it either, but I'm bored and going nuts waiting on any tidbit of hope we get this guy.

[Mikey 16,601]

The reason South Carolina was successful was because they didn't punt on 4th down. We stopped them on 3rd down, just couldn't stop them on 4th down.

If that were a sound philosophy, nobody would ever punt. USCe did that because they knew our defense deserved zero respect and the results in that game and those following it proved their point.

[TexasTiger 12,876]

The reason South Carolina was successful was because they didn't punt on 4th down. We stopped them on 3rd down, just couldn't stop them on 4th down.

If that were a sound philosophy, nobody would ever punt. USCe did that because they knew our defense deserved zero respect and the results in that game and those following it proved their point.

The real motivation was they knew their defense would not stop us.

[mcgufcm 4,096]

100% correct. Spurrier even said as much after the game that he didn't think his defense could stop us so he had to roll the dice.

I think the 2012, 2013, 2014 comment on Muschamp was referencing his defenses at Florida. Not implying he had some impact on current Auburn players.

[AU64 10,122]

Defensive coaches have come and gone so quickly that only Ellitor could probably figure out which coaches recruited the kids that have played the past few years.

The problem is...IMO, that coaches and defensive player never really bonded and lots of guys are not playing (and did not play) for the coaches that got them to come to AU. I think that is a real serious issue and has lots to do with the various problems our defense has experienced.

[cooltigger21 0]

The reason South Carolina was successful was because they didn't punt on 4th down. We stopped them on 3rd down, just couldn't stop them on 4th down.

If that were a sound philosophy, nobody would ever punt. USCe did that because they knew our defense deserved zero respect and the results in that game and those following it proved their point.

The real motivation was they knew their defense would not stop us.

It really doesn't matter what the motivation was. The issue is the fact that he found a way to exploit our defense and nearly pull off the upset. Subsequent games followed the same general pattern as far as play calling and was very successful for the opponent.

[alexava 6,973]

What we liked about Muschamp as a DC was his passion and chest bumping with players. If you watched the FSU Florida game that was the old Muschamp. While he was a Florida their D was always top of the shelf it was just the O that killed him at Florida. He would make a heck of a good DC at Auburn with the GUS O helping his Defense instead of hurting it.

If we do get him it won't be an overnight improvement like so many always think will happen. It takes time and recruiting to build a great D and the standards for Great D are different in todays game then in the past.

Problem with a guy like Muschamp who has been a HC is that he probably wants to be one again soon and would possibly be using AU as a stepping stool to a new HC job. We need some stability....someone who will be here more than 2 years.

In the coaching world 2 years is about the norm now. Gus can't afford to whiff on this one. Boom can come in and stabilize things and maybe by then, someone on the staff would be ready to step up and assume the role of DC or Gus can go out and find another candidate if need be.

We have had new coaching staffs every two years for a while and all we got out of it was bad defense and players who struggled to learn a new system every couple years. It's not marked in stone that coaches have to change that often...and I hate for AU to just be an audition for a guy looking for a HC job....we've been through that twice in recent years, once with Muschamp who like Chiz thought Texas would give him a better shot at a head coaching job.

a coach that is not trying to climb the coaching ladder looks like Ellis Johnson.

and a coach who is primarily interested in climbing the ladder looks like Muschamp ...has a couple good seasons with someone else's players and is then gone before anyone figures out that he can't teach or recruit. Like in business...you have to watch out for job jumpers in the coaching business too.

then compare. who had the best 2 years at auburn?

[war eagle6 0]

The reason South Carolina was successful was because they didn't punt on 4th down. We stopped them on 3rd down, just couldn't stop them on 4th down.

If that were a sound philosophy, nobody would ever punt. USCe did that because they knew our defense deserved zero respect and the results in that game and those following it proved their point.

The real motivation was they knew their defense would not stop us.

That may be, but ole ball coach knew ole pawpaw couldn't keep up. And he knew that the quick slant would be a problem for our db's because they don't use proper bump n run coverage technique. And probably wasn't taught on how to do it.

[TexasTiger 12,876]

The reason South Carolina was successful was because they didn't punt on 4th down. We stopped them on 3rd down, just couldn't stop them on 4th down.

If that were a sound philosophy, nobody would ever punt. USCe did that because they knew our defense deserved zero respect and the results in that game and those following it proved their point.

The real motivation was they knew their defense would not stop us.

That may be, but ole ball coach knew ole pawpaw couldn't keep up. And he knew that the quick slant would be a problem for our db's because they don't use proper bump n run coverage technique. And probably wasn't taught on how to do it.

We fired the guy already...