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[AURaptor 1,122]

Elitists love to toss around insults & claims of nuance so as to make simple matters oh so complex.

[DKW 86 7,419]

Crap happens when you are drunk and act like an idiot and break the law, whatever the head bleeds profusely even with a small cut. Maybe if he was sober he would have put his hands out to break his fall just saying

I have been far drunker than that and i have never been arrested and i certainly didnt have to bleed like that. my only arrest was for PI and i had to put my truck in a ditch to get that. I am an OWG tho. I know several YBMs that have been in this situation for nothing, or close to nothing. I have told this story before, but i had one of my best employees come in late for second shift. He was an excellent employee, as in you would want your daughter to marry a guy like him. He was sitting in the back of a patrol car with cuffs on and the police stopped by work to ask if he worked there. The owner and myself came out and talked with the police. We vouched for the guy. He was a standup great employee. The police said they had picked him up for matching the description of a purse snatcher at the Huntsville mall. So i asked the pertinent question: "What description were you given? What about him made you pick him up." Huntsville's finest said and i quote: "The description was YBM." The owner went and got the kid at the police station. He was released after about an hour, but he was sssooo messed up he couldnt work his shift, so i ended up covering for him. It was crazy. If i were a cop and all i had to go on was "YBM" i wouldnt make an arrest. A valid description should be "YBM, red ball cap, dark blue hoody, jeans, white hitops, with a TV over one shoulder." At least give a half assed description. No YWM or even a OWM would be arrested for such a invalid description.

[TitanTiger 20,479]

Elitists love to toss around insults & claims of nuance so as to make simple matters oh so complex.

Simpletons love to take complex matters and apply binary thinking and solutions to them.

[homersapien 11,370]

Elitists love to toss around insults & claims of nuance so as to make simple matters oh so complex.

Being simple-minded doesn't necessarily make anyone who's not, "elite".

[alexava 6,973]

My point ? 1 bad cop does not = a racist system.

Many, some here I suspect, want to push that agenda.

This^^^. you cant just abolish all law enforcement agencies or give YBMs amnesty from the police. These things happen. Right, wrong or indifferent. It is being overblown. White people get beat up too. Cops screw up. Do you know how much they get paid? Not enough to expect perfection. I do congratulate the MSM on finding a situation that so far does not obviously show the "victim" causing his own demise.(and the kid in cleveland that was shot with the air soft gun was totally a cop screw up)

[TitanTiger 20,479]

Well it's a good thing no one is calling for amnesty for YBMs or abolishing law enforcement. Whew!

[alexava 6,973]

Well it's a good thing no one is calling for amnesty for YBMs or abolishing law enforcement. Whew!

that is what it seems like by constantly seeing these things spread all over the media like a terrorist attack. especially when in most of the confrontations the cop was justified.

[TitanTiger 20,479]

Well it's a good thing no one is calling for amnesty for YBMs or abolishing law enforcement. Whew!

that is what it seems like by constantly seeing these things spread all over the media like a terrorist attack. especially when in most of the confrontations the cop was justified.

It's because even if it was a white kid, officers who pull this s*** should be held accountable. Full stop.

The fact that it's disproportionately happening to black people...that even professional, non "thug" looking black guys that I work with have very different experiences when interacting with cops in general than me and my other white friends do, makes it worse.

[channonc 466]

Agree. I think we all need to admit that most times, physical or violent force by police is simply not necessary. Stopping to check on a possible fake ID on a college kid doesn't strike me as one of those times.

[AURaptor 1,122]

Elitists love to toss around insults & claims of nuance so as to make simple matters oh so complex.

Simpletons love to take complex matters and apply binary thinking and solutions to them.

Quantum physics is complex.

This ? Not so much.

[TitanTiger 20,479]

Elitists love to toss around insults & claims of nuance so as to make simple matters oh so complex.

Simpletons love to take complex matters and apply binary thinking and solutions to them.

Quantum physics is complex.

This ? Not so much.

It apparently is. You only seem to think in ridiculously oversimplified terms (body slam him to the ground or offer cuddles). But using discretion and critical thinking skills means that you realize you aren't a hammer and thus every problem isn't a nail.

[AUUSN 823]

When Police Misconduct Transcends Class

The arrest of a black Honor Committee member at UVA is further evidence that law-enforcement brutality can happen even on elite college campuses. http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/03/the-transcendence-of-police-misconduct/388168/?utm_source=SFTwitter

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

Well it's a good thing no one is calling for amnesty for YBMs or abolishing law enforcement. Whew!

that is what it seems like by constantly seeing these things spread all over the media like a terrorist attack. especially when in most of the confrontations the cop was justified.

Well it's a good thing no one is calling for amnesty for YBMs or abolishing law enforcement. Whew!

that is what it seems like by constantly seeing these things spread all over the media like a terrorist attack. especially when in most of the confrontations the cop was justified.

It's because even if it was a white kid, officers who pull this s*** should be held accountable. Full stop.

The fact that it's disproportionately happening to black people...that even professional, non "thug" looking black guys that I work with have very different experiences when interacting with cops in general than me and my other white friends do, makes it worse.

This is true.

Where I was at in Chicago was super super white (most segregated place I have ever lived, the entire city). If you were driving through that area and were dark (lol, that is the term they like to use) the cops would start following you. I saw police pull out of spots and follow them miles to their destination. Even if you were in a brand new Mercedes, Bmw, Lexus etc. They would ignore bikers, course in the burbs of Chicago majority of those bikers were lawyers, doctors, administrators, accountants etc.

And the people in those collar counties of Chicago will tell you that regardless of color you be on your best behavior when interacting with the Chicago Police Department cause they are rough and carry chips on their shoulders.

[AURaptor 1,122]

It apparently is. You only seem to think in ridiculously oversimplified terms (body slam him to the ground or offer cuddles). But using discretion and critical thinking skills means that you realize you aren't a hammer and thus every problem isn't a nail.

You ought to be congratulating him for not shooting the student, right then and there. Isn't that what all white officers DO to young black males , who have done absolutely nothing wrong, and are completely innocent ?

Isn't that progress ?

Or am I being too nuanced for you ?

[JoeBags7277 734]

My point ? 1 bad cop does not = a racist system.

Many, some here I suspect, want to push that agenda.

This^^^. you cant just abolish all law enforcement agencies or give YBMs amnesty from the police. These things happen. Right, wrong or indifferent. It is being overblown. White people get beat up too. Cops screw up. Do you know how much they get paid? Not enough to expect perfection. I do congratulate the MSM on finding a situation that so far does not obviously show the "victim" causing his own demise.(and the kid in cleveland that was shot with the air soft gun was totally a cop screw up)

No one with credibility is talking about abolishing law enforcement, and you know it. What we are talking about is an immediate end to a system that shields one group of privileged people from the natural consequences of their actions, over and over, and over again.

[AURaptor 1,122]

My point ? 1 bad cop does not = a racist system.

Many, some here I suspect, want to push that agenda.

This^^^. you cant just abolish all law enforcement agencies or give YBMs amnesty from the police. These things happen. Right, wrong or indifferent. It is being overblown. White people get beat up too. Cops screw up. Do you know how much they get paid? Not enough to expect perfection. I do congratulate the MSM on finding a situation that so far does not obviously show the "victim" causing his own demise.(and the kid in cleveland that was shot with the air soft gun was totally a cop screw up)

No one with credibility is talking about abolishing law enforcement, and you know it. What we are talking about is an immediate end to a system that shields one group of privileged people from the natural consequences of their actions, over and over, and over again.

So, you want to more freely be able to sue the individual cops ? The force ? The municipality ? What are you really talking about here ? What consequences do you foresee with the " immediate end to a system that shields one group of privileged people ", as you put it ?

[JoeBags7277 734]

Dismissal, jail time, an end to qualified immunity, which offers blanket protection to bad actors- depends on the situation. Anything other than circling the wagons and defending any officer, anywhere, no matter what they do, and stacking the grand jury that's supposed to be our check on police misconduct with fuddy duddies who could never bring themselves to indict even the worst offender.

[AURaptor 1,122]

Officer Wilson did nothing wrong. Feel good about how that worked out?

[JoeBags7277 734]

Officer Wilson did nothing wrong. Feel good about how that worked out?

Who is talking about him? Stay on topic. There have been enough more egregious instances to not dwell on that. Literally hundreds just last year.

Make your case as to why its ok that cops are virtually NEVER punished for wrongdoing, why they deserve blanket immunity from criminal prosecution, or take your deflection somewhere else.

[AURaptor 1,122]

Yeah...stay on topic. Don't confuse anyone with the facts. Got it.

[alexava 6,973]

Officer Wilson did nothing wrong. Feel good about how that worked out?

Who is talking about him? Stay on topic. There have been enough more egregious instances to not dwell on that. Literally hundreds just last year.

Make your case as to why its ok that cops are virtually NEVER punished for wrongdoing, why they deserve blanket immunity from criminal prosecution, or take your deflection somewhere else.

that is the topic. If not for "hands up don't shoot, we would not have heard about this uva deal. It really isn't worthy of national news. Just stoking flames.

[JoeBags7277 734]

Officer Wilson did nothing wrong. Feel good about how that worked out?

Who is talking about him? Stay on topic. There have been enough more egregious instances to not dwell on that. Literally hundreds just last year.

Make your case as to why its ok that cops are virtually NEVER punished for wrongdoing, why they deserve blanket immunity from criminal prosecution, or take your deflection somewhere else.

that is the topic. If not for "hands up don't shoot, we would not have heard about this uva deal. It really isn't worthy of national news. Just stoking flames.

Without HUDS, you still have Tamir Rice, Eric Garner, John Crawford, Gil Collar, James Boyd, Charly Keunang, Kelly Thomas, Joseph Jennings, Dillon Taylor... should I go on? I very easily could.

This issue has been building for years. Ferguson just gave the media the perfect opportunity to make sure swarms of white people who have no experience with dirty cops wouldn't give a &^%$.

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

Officer Wilson did nothing wrong. Feel good about how that worked out?

Who is talking about him? Stay on topic. There have been enough more egregious instances to not dwell on that. Literally hundreds just last year.

Make your case as to why its ok that cops are virtually NEVER punished for wrongdoing, why they deserve blanket immunity from criminal prosecution, or take your deflection somewhere else.

that is the topic. If not for "hands up don't shoot, we would not have heard about this uva deal. It really isn't worthy of national news. Just stoking flames.

We have heard about it long long long before "Hands Up". It got huge press back in 92 when Ice T released Cop Killer which was considered highly controversial and society raced to push it under the rug and succeeded at that time. The entire song was about police brutality.

[cptau 169]

Officer Wilson did nothing wrong. Feel good about how that worked out?

Who is talking about him? Stay on topic. There have been enough more egregious instances to not dwell on that. Literally hundreds just last year.

Make your case as to why its ok that cops are virtually NEVER punished for wrongdoing, why they deserve blanket immunity from criminal prosecution, or take your deflection somewhere else.

They get fired, Many may escape because of the lack of witnesses or evidence, but bad cops get fired all over the country. Many face criminal charges too.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/03/alabama_police_officer_who_sla.html

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-pictures-allentown-police-officer-fired--20150316-photogallery.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/denver-fired-excessive-force-jailed-woman-article-1.2147440

http://www.copblock.org/114715/california-police-officer-fired-charged-road-rage/

http://m.ibtimes.com/rookie-police-officer-henry-solis-fired-lapd-fatal-shooting-pomona-nightclub-1850524

http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/news/local_news/police-officer-fired/article_ad5969c4-a8f5-11e4-8aa9-db76d357a8bf.html?mode=jqm

https://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2015/jan/05/victoria-police-officer-fired-for-tasing-76-year-o/

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Miami-Police-Officer-Fired-After-Fatal-Shooting-189070051.html#

http://news.yahoo.com/mexico-officer-van-shooting-fired-002423553.html

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/22815785/fort-myers-police-officer-fired-excessive-force#.VQy9WSO9KSM

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/01/26/police-officer-who-fired-stun-gun-at-61-year-old-woman-suspended-without-pay/

http://rt.com/usa/176220-illinois-officer-fired-killing-dog/

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=26830718

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/02/05/miami-police-officers-fired-after-investigation/

And this one was fired for refusing to use force....

http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/news/local_news/police-officer-fired/article_ad5969c4-a8f5-11e4-8aa9-db76d357a8bf.html?mode=jqm

[AURaptor 1,122]

In a country over 300 MILLION, yeah, you're gonna have a % of folks who don't act right , some of them do wear a badge. I brought officer Wilson up for the obvious reason, he did nothing wrong, and yet he's forced to give up his job and likely his career. Some good guys get shown the door, while some bad guys stay on. Sucks, but that's life in the big bad world we live in.