AU64 10,122 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 If it's not in our offensive scheme to make a lot of use of the TE as a receiver, better to get an H back or someone like Cox to lead the ground game. Not saying it is a waste of time to chase a guy like this...but what would we do with him after we got him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 1 minute ago, AU64 said: If it's not in our offensive scheme to make a lot of use of the TE as a receiver, better to get an H back or someone like Cox to lead the ground game. Not saying it is a waste of time to chase a guy like this...but what would we do with him after we got him? Hopefully turn him into the next Evan Engram... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU64 10,122 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, lionheartkc said: Hopefully turn him into the next Evan Engram... Good plan but I'm thinking you would need a new HC and OC with a change of offense. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgoEagle 1,788 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 13 minutes ago, AU64 said: If it's not in our offensive scheme to make a lot of use of the TE as a receiver, better to get an H back or someone like Cox to lead the ground game. Not saying it is a waste of time to chase a guy like this...but what would we do with him after we got him? Getting a true TE to come to AU with Lashlee as the OC is a hard sell b/c everyone can see that he doesn't target the TE for catches hardly ever. Harris has played every game this year as our TE, and finally he gets a pass thrown to him in the 8th game of the season If I were McKitty, I would probably wait til after the season, with all the rumors going around that Lashlee may not be back at AU next year, and see if he does leave who we bring in next as the OC, and see what their history has been on throwing to the TE. This could sway his decision one way or the other IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU64 10,122 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 1 minute ago, ArgoEagle said: Getting a true TE to come to AU with Lashlee as the OC is a hard sell b/c everyone can see that he doesn't target the TE for catches hardly ever. Harris has played every game this year as our TE, and finally he gets a pass thrown to him in the 8th game of the season If I were McKitty, I would probably wait til after the season, with all the rumors going around that Lashlee may not be back at AU next year, and see if he does leave who we bring in next as the OC, and see what their history has been on throwing to the TE. This could sway his decision one way or the other IMO. I'm not sure this is Lashlee.....just thinking that Gus is a run first coach and I can't recall him doing anything but using the TE primarily as a blocking back with on occasional pass like with Lutz and this past week. At AU, the TE's first responsibility is to block....but if he is a good enough pass catcher he might change positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, AU64 said: I'm not sure this is Lashlee.....just thinking that Gus is a run first coach and I can't recall him doing anything but using the TE primarily as a blocking back with on occasional pass like with Lutz and this past week. At AU, the TE's first responsibility is to block....but if he is a good enough pass catcher he might change positions. Agree. Lashlee is calling the plays but he is working within the framework of Gus's offense. In fact, one might argue that the only reason Harris was thrown to is *because* Rhett is calling the plays now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 22 minutes ago, AU64 said: Good plan but I'm thinking you would need a new HC and OC with a change of offense. JMO I honestly don't know about that... get the right guy with the right potential, and things might happen. Also, I'm still to the opinion that we will have a new OC next year. There's too much selling of Rhett as a great head coaching candidate for me to not think he's ready to leave the nest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgoEagle 1,788 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 4 minutes ago, AU64 said: I'm not sure this is Lashlee.....just thinking that Gus is a run first coach and I can't recall him doing anything but using the TE primarily as a blocking back with on occasional pass like with Lutz and this past week. At AU, the TE's first responsibility is to block....but if he is a good enough pass catcher he might change positions. You pretty much said the same thing I did except for the change of positions, but I still think it depends on who the OC will be, and if Gus truly lets them run the offense. If we got one that changed the run-to-pass ratio from what it is now (75% - 25%), I'm guessing to more of a 60 - 40%, and has more of a tendency to throw to the TE, would make a difference to the recruits consideration of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 39 minutes ago, AU64 said: If it's not in our offensive scheme to make a lot of use of the TE as a receiver, better to get an H back or someone like Cox to lead the ground game. Not saying it is a waste of time to chase a guy like this...but what would we do with him after we got him? We would throw to him some if he can catch. It's in the system to use a tight end if we have one we like as a receiver. That was the whole point of getting Rice before his ordeal forced him to leave Auburn. He was considered a good athlete we were going to use as a receiver. We took him as a commitment two years before he was ready to graduate from high school so that tells you what the staff thought of his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 We have signed some tight ends and H-backs for their receiving ability. We just had an unfortunate attrition at those positions with those types of players and didn't get to use them. Rice-noted above Ricky Parks-grades Jakell Mitchell-death CJU is the only receiving tight end we have signed under Gus that we have been able to keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 22 minutes ago, ellitor said: We have signed some tight ends and H-backs for their receiving ability. We just had an unfortunate attrition at those positions with those types of players and didn't get to use them. Rice-noted above Ricky Parks-grades Jakell Mitchell-death CJU is the only receiving tight end we have signed under Gus that we have been able to keep. Yet another "Only at Auburn" circumstance. We are seriously the weirdest football program ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 26 minutes ago, ellitor said: CJU is the only receiving tight end we have signed under Gus that we have been able to keep. Yes... and CJ suffered from the fact that we weren't running a Tight End friendly offense when he was here. We were running the read-option with a QB who did not excel in the short-mid range passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 1 minute ago, lionheartkc said: Yes... and CJ suffered from the fact that we weren't running a Tight End friendly offense when he was here. We were running the read-option with a QB who did not excel in the short-mid range passing game. I have made no bones about it that he was not used enough as a receiver but he was used as receiver enough for a guy like Tre to possibly think he'll get some touches. Unfortunately he's not here anymore but is doing well with the Bengals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird 60,529 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 13 minutes ago, lionheartkc said: Yes... and CJ suffered from the fact that we weren't running a Tight End friendly offense when he was here. We were running the read-option with a QB who did not excel in the short-mid range passing game. Could you imagine CJ in this offense with Sean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 5 minutes ago, bigbird said: Could you imagine CJ in this offense with Sean What I wouldn't give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aujeff11 6,243 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Just now, lionheartkc said: What I wouldn't give. Your testicles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUApostle 7,651 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 1 hour ago, ellitor said: We have signed some tight ends and H-backs for their receiving ability. We just had an unfortunate attrition at those positions with those types of players and didn't get to use them. Rice-noted above Ricky Parks-grades Jakell Mitchell-death The above sounds like the makings of an awesome recruiting mailer to send to the top TE targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 21 minutes ago, bigbird said: Could you imagine CJ in this offense with Sean He would be Sean's security blanket and the leading receiver on the team in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU64 10,122 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 3 hours ago, ArgoEagle said: You pretty much said the same thing I did except for the change of positions, but I still think it depends on who the OC will be, and if Gus truly lets them run the offense. If we got one that changed the run-to-pass ratio from what it is now (75% - 25%), I'm guessing to more of a 60 - 40%, and has more of a tendency to throw to the TE, would make a difference to the recruits consideration of us. I'm on board with possibility of a new OC but if Gus is the HC, I would not expect to see him totally give up the offense scheme. Could be wrong but as long as Gus is HC, the offense will be his offense with emphasis on the run.....and the OC will be using Gus's play book. ...which is one reason I don't expect a member of the Briles family to be here next year..... no matter what happens to RL. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgoEagle 1,788 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 48 minutes ago, AU64 said: I'm on board with possibility of a new OC but if Gus is the HC, I would not expect to see him totally give up the offense scheme. Could be wrong but as long as Gus is HC, the offense will be his offense with emphasis on the run.....and the OC will be using Gus's play book. ...which is one reason I don't expect a member of the Briles family to be here next year..... no matter what happens to RL. JMO That is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 2 hours ago, AU64 said: I'm on board with possibility of a new OC but if Gus is the HC, I would not expect to see him totally give up the offense scheme. Could be wrong but as long as Gus is HC, the offense will be his offense with emphasis on the run.....and the OC will be using Gus's play book. ...which is one reason I don't expect a member of the Briles family to be here next year..... no matter what happens to RL. JMO Again, offensive scheme is only part of the issue. the other part being we haven't had a receiving tight end other than CJU in Gus's head coaching tenure. You can't force a consistent game plan for players that don't have a skill set to do something consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auadmin 20 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 13 hours ago, McLoofus said: Yet another "Only at Auburn" circumstance. We are seriously the weirdest football program ever. Like the drummer in Spinal Tap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 9 hours ago, auadmin said: Like the drummer in Spinal Tap... Only if one of our TEs spontaneously combusts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 12 minutes ago, lionheartkc said: Only if one of our TEs spontaneously combusts. Ssssshhhh... don't give the football gods any cute ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgoEagle 1,788 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 20 hours ago, ellitor said: Again, offensive scheme is only part of the issue. the other part being we haven't had a receiving tight end other than CJU in Gus's head coaching tenure. You can't force a consistent game plan for players that don't have a skill set to do something consistently. So, is Harris not a good enough pass catcher to be incorporated more into the offense? He looked pretty good catching the pass Sat. He reminds me of Fred Baxter with that #85 jersey. Asking b/c you know a lot more about it than I do. Thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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