Anti Vaxxer Honor Roll

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 338]

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

From what you cited:

The vaccine has rarely been associated with chronic joint symptoms. The incidence of arthritis and arthralgia is generally higher in adult women than in children (women, 12% to 26%; children, 0% to 3%), and symptoms tend to be more marked and of longer duration, persisting for months or years (rare). In adolescent girls, the incidence of reactions appears to be intermediate between those seen in children and in women. These reactions are generally well tolerated and rarely interfere with normal activities, even in women over 35 years old.^[Ref]

Musculoskeletal side effects have included arthralgia and/or arthritis (usually transient and rarely chronic), myalgia, paresthesia, and rarely chronic arthritis; these symptoms may also occur with natural rubella.^[Ref]

That is such a reach.  Again, why should reasonable people feel the need to indulge nonsense?  Make no mistake.  It is nonsense.  It is blatant stubborn ignorance. I happen to be taking my dad to his pulmonary specialist today.  I ran this by him.  His reaction?  He laughed.  He went on to tell me that it takes every ounce of will he can muster to not refuse to treat the unvaccinated.  He compared it to his smoking patients.  He has no patients that smoke because if they continue smoking after becoming a patient of his, he asks them to see someone else. They are wasting his time by their continued smoking. 

He pointed out that the same people that will not take the shot are the first to trust his advice when they get sick.  At that point, they take synthetic antibodies that are approved by way of an Emergency Use Authorization to get well.  Unfortunately, it doesn't work for everyone.

The fact that you repeat inaccurate information is not nonsense, it's a fact.  The fact that you keep doubling and tripling down on that fact just makes the situation worse.

You just baldly claimed that no vaccine had ever caused long term side effects.  I've posted two examples to the contrary—the woman who has been having heart and lung issues for nine months and counting from the COVID vaccine, and the rubella vaccination.

Your response is to ignore the facts and just keep repeating that "it's nonsense," or that it's a reach.  What is reaching about posting a documented source that shows that at least one vaccine has caused rare long term side effects?  Do you say that because the symptoms are only arthritis and not heart failure?  Do you say that because it's rare?  I don't understand that one, because it was stipulated from the beginning that it is rare.

What's reaching about you saying, "This has never happened before," and me posting documentation of it happening before?

And that's just the vaccine I happened to know about (You know why I kew that?  Because I know someone that it happened to); I didn't look them all up, but I can if you'd like.  If me posting five or six examples wouldn't be "reaching," but something tells me that it still would be according to you.

Look, I'm vaccinated.  My wife is vaccinated.  My kids are vaccinated.  This isn't about me objecting to people getting vaccinated or trying to make a case for people not getting vaccinated.  At this point IMO there's enough data to pretty conclusively be able to say that the risk from the vaccine is much smaller than the risk from the virus.

This is about people on both sides being willing to knowingly spread misinformation in order to try to manipulate others in the direction they want.

You made a couple of statements that simply are not true.  Now, that's one thing.  But when confronted with documentation that shows otherwise, your response is to get angry and respond with a sort of irritated, "Don't bother me with those sorts of details, it's still all nonsense" sort of fingers-stuck-in-ears, eyes closed demeanor.

I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, so I haven't changed my opinion on whether you are deliberately disseminating false information yet, but that response didn't make me feel solid in my first impression.

[wdefromtx 3,159]

2 minutes ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said:

The fact that you repeat inaccurate information is not nonsense, it's a fact.  The fact that you keep doubling and tripling down on that fact just makes the situation worse.

You just baldly claimed that no vaccine had ever caused long term side effects.  I've posted two examples to the contrary—the woman who has been having heart and lung issues for nine months and counting from the COVID vaccine, and the rubella vaccination.

Your response is to ignore the facts and just keep repeating that "it's nonsense," or that it's a reach.  What is reaching about posting a documented source that shows that at least one vaccine has caused rare long term side effects?  Do you say that because the symptoms are only arthritis and not heart failure?  Do you say that because it's rare?  I don't understand that one, because it was stipulated from the beginning that it is rare.

What's reaching about you saying, "This has never happened before," and me posting documentation of it happening before?

And that's just the vaccine I happened to know about (You know why I kew that?  Because I know someone that it happened to); I didn't look them all up, but I can if you'd like.  If me posting five or six examples wouldn't be "reaching," but something tells me that it still would be according to you.

Look, I'm vaccinated.  My wife is vaccinated.  My kids are vaccinated.  This isn't about me objecting to people getting vaccinated or trying to make a case for people not getting vaccinated.  At this point IMO there's enough data to pretty conclusively be able to say that the risk from the vaccine is much smaller than the risk from the virus.

This is about people on both sides being willing to knowingly spread misinformation in order to try to manipulate others in the direction they want.

You made a couple of statements that simply are not true.  Now, that's one thing.  But when confronted with documentation that shows otherwise, your response is to get angry and respond with a sort of irritated, "Don't bother me with those sorts of details, it's still all nonsense" sort of fingers-stuck-in-ears, eyes closed demeanor.

I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, so I haven't changed my opinion on whether you are deliberately disseminating false information yet, but that response didn't make me feel solid in my first impression.

Funny you should mention heart failure, because the vaccine actually put me near the brink of heart failure due to some of the side effects exacerbating a heart condition that I already have. Been going on 9 months since I got the second shot and still trying to fully get better from it. So yeah, long term side effects from these shots are real as well. 

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 338]

3 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

Funny you should mention heart failure, because the vaccine actually put me near the brink of heart failure due to some of the side effects exacerbating a heart condition that I already have. Been going on 9 months since I got the second shot and still trying to fully get better from it. So yeah, long term side effects from these shots are real as well. 

Of course.

Here's the thing about vaccines (pretty much all of them):

1.  They have always caused injuries and the injuries have always been under-reported.  If you reported your injury to your doctor I will bet a sausage biscuit from Hardees that it never was reported further.

2.  That's exactly why the law was passed in 1986 to prevent people from being able to sue vax-makers.  They do hurt some people and they always have.

3.  All that is true...AND we're still better off with them than without them.  More people are saved from what could be fatal illnesses by mass usage than are harmed by the vaccines, by a wide margin.

4.  But not as wide as is reported, because of #1 above.  There are some people who are willing to report inaccurate numbers because they are afraid of public reaction if they tell the truth.  And given the current situation, maybe that should be a concern.  But I believe fear should be overcome with truth, not lies.

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 338]

Who is the sissy downvote bandit?

[wdefromtx 3,159]

27 minutes ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said:

Who is the sissy downvote bandit?

That is ICHY. He does not speak, he does not sleep, he does not eat. He's part of AUFamily lore, many claim to have found him, but he hides behind the screen like a virtual Bigfoot never to be seen or heard for many moons. 

One thing is for sure, if you get downvotes or facepalms from him you are doing something right and when I rack up 10 before 8:00 am, I know..................

[SaltyTiger 7,814]

1 hour ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said:

Who is the sissy downvote bandit?

He has not said a word since Trump was elected. Reads everything on the political boards….usually facepalm or down thumb for me to so don’t feel unique. BTW, welcome to the board Ponyboy. Post more and often.

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 338]

22 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

He has not said a word since Trump was elected. Reads everything on the political boards….usually facepalm or down thumb for me to so don’t feel unique. BTW, welcome to the board Ponyboy. Post more and often.

Thank you all!

[homersapien 11,382]

21 hours ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said:

Of course.

Here's the thing about vaccines (pretty much all of them):

1.  They have always caused injuries and the injuries have always been under-reported.  If you reported your injury to your doctor I will bet a sausage biscuit from Hardees that it never was reported further.

2.  That's exactly why the law was passed in 1986 to prevent people from being able to sue vax-makers.  They do hurt some people and they always have.

3.  All that is true...AND we're still better off with them than without them.  More people are saved from what could be fatal illnesses by mass usage than are harmed by the vaccines, by a wide margin.

4.  But not as wide as is reported, because of #1 above.  There are some people who are willing to report inaccurate numbers because they are afraid of public reaction if they tell the truth.  And given the current situation, maybe that should be a concern.  But I believe fear should be overcome with truth, not lies.

You are a total idiot from an epidemiological standpoint. 

(Epidemiology is the study of disease.)

 

[homersapien 11,382]

17 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

He has not said a word since Trump was elected. Reads everything on the political boards….usually facepalm or down thumb for me to so don’t feel unique. BTW, welcome to the board Ponyboy. Post more and often.

  We have more than enough idiots on the forum.

Edited September 29, 2021 by homersapien

[I_M4_AU 7,850]

Here is a basketball player that asks some interesting questions about the vaccine.  He has natural immunity as he has already had Covid.  What is interesting is the back and forth between the  News Room personalities during the clip.

And then we have President Biden moving the goal posts yet again.

97 to 98% vaccinated before we can get back to normal???  That is an unachievable goal.  When will this tyranny end?

[Elephant Tipper 430]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

You are a total idiot from an epidemiological standpoint. 

(Epidemiology is the study of disease.)

 

And you dear Gomer are........

[Elephant Tipper 430]

17 hours ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said:

Thank you all!

Glad to have you on board Shoney.  Post more, for Homer's benefit.  lol

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 338]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

You are a total idiot from an epidemiological standpoint. 

(Epidemiology is the study of disease.)

 

LOL.

O.k.

What did I say that isn't accurate?

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 338]

I don't think I even posted anything about diseases.  Only vaccinations.  And what I said about vaccinations is that we're better off with them than without them.  The epidemiological community disagrees with that?

[homersapien 11,382]

2 minutes ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said:

LOL.

O.k.

What did I say that isn't accurate?

Do your own homework.  Start with attributing each of your claims.

[Elephant Tipper 430]

11 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Do your own homework.  Start with attributing each of your claims.

And when I asked you to support your assertion that DJT was, in your words, "a traitor", you went dark.  lol

υποκριτής

[wdefromtx 3,159]

4 minutes ago, Elephant Tipper said:

And when I asked you to support your assertion that DJT was, in your words, "a traitor", you went dark.  lol

υποκριτής

This is true indeed!!LOL

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 338]

40 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Do your own homework.  Start with attributing each of your claims.

That's what I thought.  Nothing.

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 338]

The teacher asked Little Johnny what the capital of Arkansas was.

Little Johnny said, "You're the teacher—if you don't know I'm sure not going to be the one to tell you."

[bigbird 60,540]

3 hours ago, homersapien said:

You are a total idiot from an epidemiological standpoint. 

(Epidemiology is the study of disease.)

 

Actually, pathology is.

[Mims44 1,871]

On 9/8/2021 at 11:55 AM, homersapien said:

I think my favorite is the woman whose husband died of Covid and she's still an anti vaxxer.

https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/

Pretty trash post there Homie.

[wdefromtx 3,159]

6 minutes ago, Mims44 said:

Pretty trash post there Homie.

If you think this is a trash post, you should see where he said he’d rather have anti vaxers die if they catch Covid. 

[homersapien 11,382]

18 hours ago, wdefromtx said:

If you think this is a trash post, you should see where he said he’d rather have anti vaxers die if they catch Covid. 

 Such a position has real world consequences.  Who am I to argue with that?

[homersapien 11,382]

23 hours ago, bigbird said:

Actually, pathology is.

Well, you got me Bird (sort of).

Pathology is the study of disease, period.

Epidemiology is the study of the outcome of (infectious) disease in populations.

Thanks for the correction.  I'll try to be more precise in the future.

Edited September 30, 2021 by homersapien

[homersapien 11,382]

19 hours ago, wdefromtx said:

If you think this is a trash post, you should see where he said he’d rather have anti vaxers die if they catch Covid. 

Well, to be precise, I'd rather they take the vaccine and not try to encourage others from not taking it.

But I couldn't care one iota if their "anti" position causes them to die. And the sooner the better, we need the ICU space.

Edited September 30, 2021 by homersapien