can the ncaa require schools to disclose NIL deals

[AU9377 4,979]

On 5/23/2022 at 2:19 PM, W.E.D said:

You've got a billion dollar industry where only a fractions of the players make it to the NFL.  That's a horrible take.

 

And those get an education from a university that 80% would have never been able to get admitted to as a regular student when they finished high school.

[AU-24 3,107]

On 5/23/2022 at 9:51 AM, W.E.D said:

it's def not imaginary.  Those 85 guys are literally the product of a billion dollar industry.  Everyone is getting paid except them.

Can you explain what you mean by “everybody” is getting paid? The school athletic Director? The school president? The college professors? Other collegiate faculty? Who are all these people getting paid but not the players?

[W.E.D 11,070]

5 hours ago, AU-24 said:

Can you explain what you mean by “everybody” is getting paid? The school athletic Director? The school president? The college professors? Other collegiate faculty? Who are all these people getting paid but not the players?

Yeah no, college professors aren't associated with Football. That's an asinine comment 

Yes, presidents and ADs make millions.

Yes CFB coaches have went from barely making 1mm 20 years ago to making 10+ full guaranteed.

OCs make millions 3 years guaranteed. 

Position coaches making upper 6 figures and some 7.

The proliferation of analyst making close to 6 figures when it used to be just two free Grad Assistants and none else.

Hell, Harsin's personal assistant makes 70k living in absurdly cheap Auburn. 

These salaries are all publicly available. If you don't think ppl are getting paid and seen their incomes Ballon in yhe last 20 years with the explosion of TV deals you're ignorant. 

If you sincerely wanted a d explanation, there you go

Edited May 25, 2022 by W.E.D

[Hank2020 3,212]

6 hours ago, AU-24 said:

Can you explain what you mean by “everybody” is getting paid? The school athletic Director? The school president? The college professors? Other collegiate faculty? Who are all these people getting paid but not the players?

Tome the point is CFB makes an insane amount of money every year(regardless of where it is going) a meniscal amount makes it to benefit the actual players. 

[AU-24 3,107]

On 5/26/2022 at 1:12 AM, W.E.D said:

Yeah no, college professors aren't associated with Football. That's an asinine comment 

Yes, presidents and ADs make millions.

Yes CFB coaches have went from barely making 1mm 20 years ago to making 10+ full guaranteed.

OCs make millions 3 years guaranteed. 

Position coaches making upper 6 figures and some 7.

The proliferation of analyst making close to 6 figures when it used to be just two free Grad Assistants and none else.

Hell, Harsin's personal assistant makes 70k living in absurdly cheap Auburn. 

These salaries are all publicly available. If you don't think ppl are getting paid and seen their incomes Ballon in yhe last 20 years with the explosion of TV deals you're ignorant. 

If you sincerely wanted a d explanation, there you go

There are currently less than 9 Athletic Directors in the entire NCAA that make 1 million or more per year. With Vandy being the exception, Zero make over 1.5 million. Alan Greene, by the way, is not one of the nine. That’s nine out of how many NCAA schools?
https://worthly.com/richest/20-highest-paid-athletic-directors-college-sports/

Coaches are paid “primarily” through Booster donations not from NCAA money. So again, who are all these people making millions but not the players?

Athletes as well as other students benefit from five-star facilities… kitchens, athletic dormitory, athletic facilities to include, in some cases, hundreds of millions of dollars in stadiums, practice facilities, equipment, swimming pools, hot tubs, sauna’s, steam rooms, athletic trainers, etc. etc. etc.

I could go on but one more time, who are these people making millions of dollars but not the players? 

 

Edited May 29, 2022 by AU-24

[AU-24 3,107]

On 5/26/2022 at 1:49 AM, Hank2020 said:

Tome the point is CFB makes an insane amount of money every year(regardless of where it is going) a meniscal amount makes it to benefit the actual players. 

Who? Drop the names of people that are making millions of dollars “from NCAA or SEC money” but not the players? 

[W.E.D 11,070]

9 hours ago, AU-24 said:

There are currently less than 9 Athletic Directors in the entire NCAA that make 1 million or more per year. With Vandy being the exception, Zero make over 1.5 million. Alan Greene, by the way, is not one of the nine. That’s nine out of how many NCAA schools?
https://worthly.com/richest/20-highest-paid-athletic-directors-college-sports/

They make upper six figures on multi year fully guaranteed deals.  They are making million..  They are getting rich.

9 hours ago, AU-24 said:

Coaches are paid “primarily” through Booster donations not from NCAA money.

This is absolutely stupid.  TV deals are the reason, not donations.

9 hours ago, AU-24 said:

Athletes as well as other students benefit from five-star facilities… kitchens, athletic dormitory, athletic facilities to include, in some cases, hundreds of millions of dollars in stadiums, practice facilities, equipment, swimming pools, hot tubs, sauna’s, steam rooms, athletic trainers, etc. etc. etc.

blah blah blah blah blah.  So coaches have access to all of this too.  We shouldn't pay them.

9 hours ago, AU-24 said:

I could go on but one more time, who are these people making millions of dollars but not the players? 

Literally everyone.  

[Hank2020 3,212]

10 hours ago, AU-24 said:

Who? Drop the names of people that are making millions of dollars “from NCAA or SEC money” but not the players? 

Every team in the SEC divided up millions of dollars each year. Obviously that is going somewhere other than in the pockets of players.

[Didba 5,256]

2 hours ago, W.E.D said:

They make upper six figures on multi year fully guaranteed deals.  They are making million..  They are getting rich.

This is absolutely stupid.  TV deals are the reason, not donations.

blah blah blah blah blah.  So coaches have access to all of this too.  We shouldn't pay them.

Literally everyone.  

Wow, you nailed this response.

[Mikey 16,644]

8 hours ago, Hank2020 said:

Every team in the SEC divided up millions of dollars each year. Obviously that is going somewhere other than in the pockets of players.

Now subtract the cost of operating the revenue sports, then subtract the cost of operating the non-revenue sports and a school is lucky to break even. Do you think Greene required head coaches to submit a budget with a 10% cut just for the fun of it?

[Hank2020 3,212]

7 hours ago, Mikey said:

Now subtract the cost of operating the revenue sports, then subtract the cost of operating the non-revenue sports and a school is lucky to break even. Do you think Greene required head coaches to submit a budget with a 10% cut just for the fun of it?

That happened once ( due to covid impact). It obviously hasn’t affected their business model in the least.

[Mikey 16,644]

1 hour ago, Hank2020 said:

That happened once ( due to covid impact). It obviously hasn’t affected their business model in the least.

Business model? There are any number of things that have to be done in order to compete in the "arms race". Gyms and workout facilities that compare with the Taj Mahal, the football only facility that has its own thread here, the new basketball setup, the new baseball setup, the list goes on. One might say that millions are being poured into the pockets of architects and building contractors but the schools and school personnel aren't getting spending money out of it.

[Hank2020 3,212]

2 hours ago, Mikey said:

Business model? There are any number of things that have to be done in order to compete in the "arms race". Gyms and workout facilities that compare with the Taj Mahal, the football only facility that has its own thread here, the new basketball setup, the new baseball setup, the list goes on. One might say that millions are being poured into the pockets of architects and building contractors but the schools and school personnel aren't getting spending money out of it.

It appears you have listed some that you believe are making money. I don’t know about the list that you made that aren’t getting any ( spending money you labeled it). If you would just include the players in that group it seems we finally agree on something.

[Mikey 16,644]

11 hours ago, Hank2020 said:

If you would just include the players in that group it seems we finally agree on something.

The players are getting a roughly $80,000 a year scholarship, complete with tutorial help and other fringe benefits. Architects and building contractors are making money, as I noted above. No individual is getting rich from the TV money. The bulk of coaching salaries comes from donors.

[auburnphan 6,050]

10 hours ago, Mikey said:

The players are getting a roughly $80,000 a year scholarship, complete with tutorial help and other fringe benefits. Architects and building contractors are making money, as I noted above. No individual is getting rich from the TV money. The bulk of coaching salaries comes from donors.

Exactly, the TV deals have resulted in a facilities/support staff race that benefits the athlete greatly.

[Hank2020 3,212]

3 hours ago, auburnphan said:

Exactly, the TV deals have resulted in a facilities/support staff race that benefits the athlete greatly.

Who else should be benefiting?   I don’t agree with your super simplistic explanation. But you have the right to believe what you want to believe. I guess you think they ( the players) should continue to take money (through handshakes and McDonald’s bags), stay silent, keep their heads down, and continue to play (with sometimes life altering injuries) at the mercy if us fans (most of us don’t even give them anything ) or donors. Poor take IMO

[Mikey 16,644]

10 hours ago, Hank2020 said:

.................... I guess you think they ( the players) should continue to take money (through handshakes and McDonald’s bags), stay silent, keep their heads down, and continue to play (with sometimes life altering injuries) at the mercy if us fans (most of us don’t even give them anything ) or donors. Poor take IMO

The claim was made that people at the schools are getting rich off the TV money while the players get nothing. The counter point is that no individual at the schools is getting rich. The non-revenue athletes are also getting great benefits, and there are more of them than there are football/basketball players. In total, the schools are lucky to break even.

How you're twisting this into saying some want the players to be downtrodden is mystifying, to say the least.

[Hank2020 3,212]

29 minutes ago, Mikey said:

The claim was made that people at the schools are getting rich off the TV money while the players get nothing. The counter point is that no individual at the schools is getting rich. The non-revenue athletes are also getting great benefits, and there are more of them than there are football/basketball players. In total, the schools are lucky to break even.

How you're twisting this into saying some want the players to be downtrodden is mystifying, to say the least.

Give me some points for being mystifying and getting you to say the least then.

Edited June 1, 2022 by Hank2020

[Mikey 16,644]

18 minutes ago, Hank2020 said:

Give me some points for being mystifying and getting you to say the least then.

You have been mystifying. = 1 point.

[AUApostle 7,651]

On 5/30/2022 at 11:35 PM, Mikey said:

The players are getting a roughly $80,000 a year scholarship, complete with tutorial help and other fringe benefits. Architects and building contractors are making money, as I noted above. No individual is getting rich from the TV money. The bulk of coaching salaries comes from donors.

Why are you dragging Architects into this? Our rates for Higher Ed projects are dictated by state law…and it’s almost always lower than what we can make from the private sector. We don’t get wealthy from University work.

[Mikey 16,644]

8 hours ago, AUDevil said:

Why are you dragging Architects into this? Our rates for Higher Ed projects are dictated by state law…and it’s almost always lower than what we can make from the private sector. We don’t get wealthy from University work.

I can't imagine you are working for a pittance. Those involved in building things for the arms race that is college sports are making money. That's money that came from the TV contracts. I don't begrudge designers and builders their pay, but it is an explanation of where a lot of that money is going.

[CodeRocket 410]

Yeah, maybe what is needed is a development league for football athletes coming out of high school. Teams and leagues funded by NFL teams and some gate receipts, advertising, etc. That way the players could choose whether to get paid immediately (assuming they are selected for a team) or accept a scholarship (assuming they are offered one) possibly leading to a degree in their chosen field. Some league players would eventually make it to the NFL and some college players would eventually make it to the NFL. Some league players would never make it to the NFL and would have to find an alternate career path. Some college players would never make it to the NFL and would have to find an alternate career path (many armed with a college education). Two paths available and It would be entirely up to the athlete to choose.

Does this sound familiar? Does anyone think it would be an overall positive thing for high school football athletes? Does anyone want it to happen in college football?

[Gowebb11 9,343]

16 minutes ago, CodeRocket said:

Does this sound familiar? Does anyone think it would be an overall positive thing for high school football athletes? Does anyone want it to happen in college football?

I’ve been suggesting this for years. Model it after baseball. Make the kids draft eligible after high school. Let them choose: immediate professional status, although most at low pay in a developmental league (USFL/CFL type) funded by the NFL, or go to college. Those who choose college aren’t eligible again for the NFL until three years, just like baseball.  Then players in college will have chosen college and can’t complain about being exploited. 

[AU-24 3,107]

On 5/30/2022 at 3:06 AM, W.E.D said:

They make upper six figures on multi year fully guaranteed deals.  They are making million..  They are getting rich.

This is absolutely stupid.  TV deals are the reason, not donations.

blah blah blah blah blah.  So coaches have access to all of this too.  We shouldn't pay them.

Literally everyone.  

So as expected, you couldn’t provide me with one name. The TV money from the entire conference as well as all collegiate paraphernalia, (Auburn hats, Auburn jerseys, T-shirts etc.) all goes to the NCAA, it then goes to the college conferences who divide it equally amongst their schools. This NCAA money does not go to coaches, it goes to the athletic department to pay for all the things I mentioned in my comments above. (five star facilities, stadiums, athletic kitchens with five star chefs, Swimming pools with lazy rivers that in some cases stretch across campus gyms etc. etc. etc.) In other words, in college football itself, coaches, athletic directors, college professors etc. are not making millions and millions of dollars and the players making nothing.

[AU-24 3,107]

On 5/29/2022 at 2:12 PM, Hank2020 said:

Every team in the SEC divided up millions of dollars each year. Obviously that is going somewhere other than in the pockets of players.

Again, name me one person that’s making millions of dollars off of this money? The money goes to stadiums and stadium upgrades. It goes to swimming pools with lazy rivers running around the athletic complex. It goes to athletic dormitories, athletic kitchens, with five star chefs, whirlpools, weight rooms, huge screen TVs with video games etc. etc. etc.

Edited June 21, 2022 by AU-24