The QB Situation

[aubaseball 2,673]

3 hours ago, e808 said:

Let me ask u this in the last 4 games of the season when everyone knew Auburn was going to run who stop them. IMO Auburn has an even better collective backfield this year. I am not mistaken Auburn was leading the SEC in rushing until last week somehow the staff felt they were going to out score LSU by coming out passing.

Who did Auburn play the last four games last year?   aTm, Miss St, Po Dunk U and Bama.   A&M was as bad as Auburn.   State wasn’t much better and forget about Po Dunk.   Bama had their worst year in 12 years and nothing to play other than to beat Auburn.   
I will go out on a limb and say this, last year’s O-line was slightly less than this year’s.   This years line makes the dumbest penalties at some of the worst times.   Auburn didn’t have the QB rotating at the end of the year like this year, and Auburn didn’t have all the transfers.   I believe there isn’t any team camaraderie on this team and it shows on the field.    I believe you are seeing 22 individual players trying to play as a group with no history of playing together and it shows.  
Coach Prime was able to get his team to play together because of the main two players came with him from JSU, Shedour and Hunter.    They are the Alpha dogs on the team and others follow.   Auburn doesn’t have that.   

[placekicker 38]

I agree with all of your observations. It’s hard to truly judge our QBs’ performances due to a lackluster O line and receivers who consistently drop passes. 
 

is Holden worse then 9 and 1? Who knows? He was obviously pretty good to get an SEC football scholarship. QBs don’t get this far without being able to throw the ball. They don’t just forget how to throw the ball, either- unless the come to Auburn, apparently. If I’m Holden, and I hear Coach talk about going to the portal for a QB, I’m not happy. 
 

Watching a ton of college football over the years, it amazes me how some colleges prepare their backup QBs. If QB1 goes down, QB2 comes in slinging, running the entire offense. Why are we so restrictive? I understood the Gus era because he was paranoid. I thought Brother Hugh would be more of a gunslinger. 

[JuscAUse! 1,499]

22 hours ago, e808 said:

Even the slants were working . Then all of a sudden stopped calling them. I swear it seems like self sabotage.

I believe that modern OCs anticipate the D to change because of slants or whatever, and just assume the D will switch to a coverage that will take away the play that's  working. IF the D does this, it will open up different options. Some DCs will just stay steady and wait for the OC to call himself out of what's working. And a lot of OCs will do just that. Gus was notorious for it. Kirby always said that if you weather the first couple of drives, you will beat AU. I'm from the Pat Dye school that believes you run it (the successful play) until they stop it by doing something on D they didn't plan on doing. It ain't rocket science. 

 

[icanthearyou 4,464]

11 hours ago, e808 said:

I respectfully disagree. Bryce Young didn’t have the greatest line while at Bama but he made the throws when the opportunity present themselves. He took a beating in the 2021 IB and still managed to make the play when the game was on the line.

Shadeur is the most sacked Quarterback in college football but makes the plays when they present themselves. Colorado Oline is very very bad. There is no excuse for missing guys wide open. In some cases not even in the general vicinity.

The line has been adequate. Even in the pros very few teams have great lines .

 

 

 

So all we really need is a highly mobile, Heisman trophy level QB (Cam Newtons are easy to find).  You and Gus are correct.  the OL doesn't matter.  It's all about the skill players.

 

[e808 3,028]

3 hours ago, aubaseball said:

Who did Auburn play the last four games last year?   aTm, Miss St, Po Dunk U and Bama.   A&M was as bad as Auburn.   State wasn’t much better and forget about Po Dunk.   Bama had their worst year in 12 years and nothing to play other than to beat Auburn.   
I will go out on a limb and say this, last year’s O-line was slightly less than this year’s.   This years line makes the dumbest penalties at some of the worst times.   Auburn didn’t have the QB rotating at the end of the year like this year, and Auburn didn’t have all the transfers.   I believe there isn’t any team camaraderie on this team and it shows on the field.    I believe you are seeing 22 individual players trying to play as a group with no history of playing together and it shows.  
Coach Prime was able to get his team to play together because of the main two players came with him from JSU, Shedour and Hunter.    They are the Alpha dogs on the team and others follow.   Auburn doesn’t have that.   

The point is they all knew what was coming and still didn’t stop them.  Tamu still was a more talented team than Auburn . They might finis with the same results as last year.

 MSU defense was pretty good and had only taken over a few days . Still ran all over them. Then u had the cream puff . Then lastly Bama. Most rushing yards allowed all season. U can say they weren’t playing for anything but I bet Coach Saban wasn’t happy. That phantom fumble turned the game . 

The run game actually started against Ole Miss. it’s just they figured it out too late. I believe Ole Miss did an onsides kick to seize control of the game because  Auburn offense was rolling. 
i don’t subscribe to the stack the box narrative. If that’s the case teams can do that now are the results gonna be any different 

[AuCivilEng1 11,046]

Question 1: Does Auburn have a QB on the roster who can make us competitive in the remaining games (Ole Miss, Miss State, Vandy, Ark, NMST, Bama)?

Yes, but it won’t matter if they don’t trust anyone to throw the ball.

Question 2: Who gives us the best chance to win now (Thorne, Ashford, Geriner)?

Thorne if they run the full offense and play to his strengths.

Question 3: If there’s not a QB on the roster to compete this year, are all bets being placed on an incoming QB (HS recruit or portal) for year 2 of the Freeze era?

 

I think Hugh is going to go get a portal guy this offseason that fits his system. It will be priority number 1.

 

7-8 wins is still a real possibility, but I don’t think we are built to perform well on the road this season. 

[e808 3,028]

17 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

So all we really need is a highly mobile, Heisman trophy level QB (Cam Newtons are easy to find).  You and Gus are correct.  the OL doesn't matter.  It's all about the skill players.

 

U answered half the question . Colorados oline is way worse than Auburn but Shadeur still completes passes. No excuse for missing wide open guys.

I will also add Milroe gets sacked a lot and Bama had highly touted 4 and 5 stars

Edited October 18, 2023 by e808

[e808 3,028]

40 minutes ago, JuscAUse! said:

I believe that modern OCs anticipate the D to change because of slants or whatever, and just assume the D will switch to a coverage that will take away the play that's  working. IF the D does this, it will open up different options. Some DCs will just stay steady and wait for the OC to call himself out of what's working. And a lot of OCs will do just that. Gus was notorious for it. Kirby always said that if you weather the first couple of drives, you will beat AU. I'm from the Pat Dye school that believes you run it (the successful play) until they stop it by doing something on D they didn't plan on doing. It ain't rocket science. 

 

Great post . Stanford ran the same slant play a gazillion times. Colorado only adjustment was put Hunter on him but it didn’t matter

[Tiger Refuge 6,675]

10 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

 

Question 1: Does Auburn have a QB on the roster who can make us competitive in the remaining games (Ole Miss, Miss State, Vandy, Ark, NMST, Bama)?

Yes, but it won’t matter if they don’t trust anyone to throw the ball.

Question 2: Who gives us the best chance to win now (Thorne, Ashford, Geriner)?

Thorne if they run the full offense and play to his strengths.

Question 3: If there’s not a QB on the roster to compete this year, are all bets being placed on an incoming QB (HS recruit or portal) for year 2 of the Freeze era?

 

I think Hugh is going to go get a portal guy this offseason that fits his system. It will be priority number 1.

 

7-8 wins is still a real possibility, but I don’t think we are built to perform well on the road this season. 

 

[AuCivilEng1 11,046]

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[AUINSY 2,228]

43 minutes ago, Tiger Refuge said:

 

I refreshed his message b/c I expected an image/tweet or whatever to load and it didn't, then I highlighted it realizing the text was white on the white background 😆

Edited October 18, 2023 by AUINSY

[KillenTime 127]

On 10/15/2023 at 8:41 PM, WarrrEagleHey said:

I wish I understood this. It's so odd that he doesn't realize how much bad juju will flow from this level of 'transparency'.

He has proven over and over is not a smart guy.  You should not be the least bit surprised.  He used a University supplied cell phone to call escort services.  Then lied about it knowing they had the phone records.  Come on man. 

[AuCivilEng1 11,046]

1 hour ago, AUINSY said:

I refreshed his message b/c I expected an image/tweet or whatever to load and it didn't, then I highlighted it realizing the text was white on the white background 😆

It’s not showing on a white background for me lol

[milehighfan 1,240]

On 10/15/2023 at 8:36 PM, SaltyTiger said:

Thank you. I can only take “throwing to fire” as meaning we do not have a supporting cast.

if the OL or the WR aren't dramatically improved next year I don't think it matters who lines up at QB.

[AUBwins 10,107]

Interesting ...

[Hank2020 3,225]

5 hours ago, AUBwins said:

Interesting ...

IMO, should only use this season stats to compare.

[Bro Johnny Mac 1,402]

O Lines need a couple of years playing together to be good.. it’s just how it works.. throwing a bunch of guys together who have never played together isn’t going to produce a good O Line..

This year is a stop gap in so many ways.. it’s going to take at least three seasons to get close to where we are competitive. It’s just how it is

[AUBwins 10,107]

2 hours ago, Hank2020 said:

IMO, should only use this season stats to compare.

They are just saying he's on pace that is less that what we all considered poor QB play last year.  

[Hank2020 3,225]

12 hours ago, AUBwins said:

They are just saying he's on pace that is less that what we all considered poor QB play last year.  

That’s definitely correct.

[EagleEye67 1,945]

On 10/18/2023 at 12:28 PM, KillenTime said:

He used a University supplied cell phone to call escort services.  Then lied about it knowing they had the phone records.  Come on man. 

Now cmon... who of us hasn't done this from time to time?

[shabby 1,958]

Its time to just pick one and leave them in the game consistently. The problem isnt just the qbs on the roster. Its the limited oppprtunities given to pass the ball. Poor play calling. Few targets. The only way to have success against other teams is to let qbs finish series. Have more opportunities to throw. And build some confidence. 7 games in and Freeze cant make up his mind. He called Peyton i to the game only to hand the ball off on a 3rd and distance. Its making no sense at this point. I homestly could care less if its ashford or thorne as qb number 1. Just have a number 1 and let them stay in the game.