McCain's latest Obama ad

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He's beginning to come across as a frustrated, jealous guy. Sad.

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He's beginning to come across as a frustrated, jealous guy. Sad.

And he's too old to lead effectively. Obama looks prettier, he's the best.

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He's beginning to come across as a frustrated, jealous guy. Sad.

And he's too old to lead effectively. Obama looks prettier, he's the best.

Maybe. Maybe not. McCain just seems to be taking a rather immature approach to this campaign with the constant whining about everything. I think Phil Gramm was just projecting when he said we were a nation of whiners.

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Did I miss something, or is McCain supposed to talk about Hillary????

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I call Bulls*&(T on two of three most famous people in the world.

No way Brittnay and Paris are even in the top 10

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I call Bulls*&(T on two of three most famous people in the world.

No way Brittnay and Paris are even in the top 10

One more area in which McCain is out-of-touch and clueless.

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Though I think it was not a smart move and whoever came up with running that ad should be fired, I still can't help but chuckle when watching it. Maybe hits too close to home for the dems? How else do you explain a junior senator, with no foreign policy experience, coming off his first term in DC, getting the democratic nomination? It can't be because he is more experienced then all the other democratic senators and representatives is it? While I don't think McCain is the best the republicans could have done, at least he has experience, so can you democrats honestly tell me that Obama is the best and most experienced candidate the democrats have?

He was groomed as a "rockstar" politician for the democratic party. Why else would the democratic party leaders have asked a newly elected young senator to speak at their convention back in 2004? That is when the democrats starting launching his campaign and why the abandoned Hilary. Don't get me wrong, I feel no sympathy for Hilary.

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How else do you explain a junior senator, with no foreign policy experience, coming off his first term in DC, getting the democratic nomination? It can't be because he is more experienced then all the other democratic senators and representatives is it?

Who was the very first Republican president? How experienced was he? How'd he do?

He was groomed as a "rockstar" politician for the democratic party. Why else would the democratic party leaders have asked a newly elected young senator to speak at their convention back in 2004?

Uh, because he's a damn good speaker?

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How else do you explain a junior senator, with no foreign policy experience, coming off his first term in DC, getting the democratic nomination? It can't be because he is more experienced then all the other democratic senators and representatives is it?

Who was the very first Republican president? How experienced was he? How'd he do?

He was groomed as a "rockstar" politician for the democratic party. Why else would the democratic party leaders have asked a newly elected young senator to speak at their convention back in 2004?

Uh, because he's a damn good speaker?

Actually Kerry has said he asked him to speak to jump start the grooming process to get him ready for the national stage. In all likely hood Kerry had visions of serving two terms as president then Obama would be ready in 2012. But his plans didn't work out.

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Actually Kerry has said he asked him to speak to jump start the grooming process to get him ready for the national stage. In all likely hood Kerry had visions of serving two terms as president then Obama would be ready in 2012. But his plans didn't work out.

I doubt it as I'm sure John Edwards would've had something to say about that. It makes for a nice conspiracy theory, though.

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Actually Kerry has said he asked him to speak to jump start the grooming process to get him ready for the national stage. In all likely hood Kerry had visions of serving two terms as president then Obama would be ready in 2012. But his plans didn't work out.

I doubt it as I'm sure John Edwards would've had something to say about that. It makes for a nice conspiracy theory, though.

No conspiracy theory, I heard Kerry say close to that on CNN. Also I still get news letters from Kerry. In one of the newsletters he said he wanted Obama to speak for a number of reasons. One was to get him exposure on the national scene. As for Edwards he didn't have a whole lot to say about it, he was along for the ride.

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He's beginning to come across as a frustrated, jealous guy. Sad.

While I do think the ad could have been done a bit better, I see no jealousy and it drives home one of two issues that are going to completely derail obama's campagn. Oil and taxes. Get ready to hear more about this. Obamas position on both are pathetic and will ruin his chances.

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Actually Kerry has said he asked him to speak to jump start the grooming process to get him ready for the national stage. In all likely hood Kerry had visions of serving two terms as president then Obama would be ready in 2012. But his plans didn't work out.

I doubt it as I'm sure John Edwards would've had something to say about that. It makes for a nice conspiracy theory, though.

No conspiracy theory, I heard Kerry say close to that on CNN. Also I still get news letters from Kerry. In one of the newsletters he said he wanted Obama to speak for a number of reasons. One was to get him exposure on the national scene. As for Edwards he didn't have a whole lot to say about it, he was along for the ride.

Kerry may well have been trying to give him exposure. I doubt the part about grooming him for the 2012 election. It makes no sense on its face unless Edwards had indicated he didn't want to be president which, obviously, he did since he ran again in 2008. I think you're assigning your own meaning to Kerry's words. Nothing new.

Back to McCain. Here's part of a recent memo sent out by McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis:

Only celebrities like Barack Obama go to the gym three times a day, demand "MET-RX chocolate roasted-peanut protein bars and bottles of a hard-to-find organic brew -- Black Forest Berry Honest Tea" and worry about the price of arugula.

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I just really don't see how they think this is effective. It really, really makes them look petty and desperate, especially considering the price of the shoes McCain wears and that Cindy McCain charged as much as $500,000 in a single month on one American Express card and $250,000 on another, while one of their two dependent children had an AmEx card with a monthly balance as large as $50,000.

It's unfortunate that McCain feels that he has to resort to these kinds of tactics.

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He's beginning to come across as a frustrated, jealous guy. Sad.

While I do think the ad could have been done a bit better, I see no jealousy and it drives home one of two issues that are going to completely derail obama's campagn. Oil and taxes. Get ready to hear more about this. Obamas position on both are pathetic and will ruin his chances.

If McCain sees a real difference with Obama's position on oil and taxes then that's one thing. That gets overlooked by the silly "celebrity" label and the comparisons to Spears and Hilton in the ad and, coupled with his constant whining about the coverage Obama got, makes him look jealous and petty, not presidential. But, I guess that's how they think they can best get votes.

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Actually Kerry has said he asked him to speak to jump start the grooming process to get him ready for the national stage. In all likely hood Kerry had visions of serving two terms as president then Obama would be ready in 2012. But his plans didn't work out.

I doubt it as I'm sure John Edwards would've had something to say about that. It makes for a nice conspiracy theory, though.

No conspiracy theory, I heard Kerry say close to that on CNN. Also I still get news letters from Kerry. In one of the newsletters he said he wanted Obama to speak for a number of reasons. One was to get him exposure on the national scene. As for Edwards he didn't have a whole lot to say about it, he was along for the ride.

Kerry may well have been trying to give him exposure. I doubt the part about grooming him for the 2012 election. It makes no sense on its face unless Edwards had indicated he didn't want to be president which, obviously, he did since he ran again in 2008. I think you're assigning your own meaning to Kerry's words. Nothing new.

Back to McCain. Here's part of a recent memo sent out by McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis:

Only celebrities like Barack Obama go to the gym three times a day, demand "MET-RX chocolate roasted-peanut protein bars and bottles of a hard-to-find organic brew -- Black Forest Berry Honest Tea" and worry about the price of arugula.

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I just really don't see how they think this is effective. It really, really makes them look petty and desperate, especially considering the price of the shoes McCain wears and that Cindy McCain charged as much as $500,000 in a single month on one American Express card and $250,000 on another, while one of their two dependent children had an AmEx card with a monthly balance as large as $50,000.

It's unfortunate that McCain feels that he has to resort to these kinds of tactics.

Your response here is pathetic al. You need to step back and get some perspective? Why?

1. You are the one coming across as jealous here with these stats.

2. The mccains have money, so what. That has nothing to do with the ad or the sentiment.

3. The desperation you see is a figment of your imagination. Mccain, is a few points behind in the polls and I really don't think they're worried about it at the moment. It is insignificant. The real campaign is about to start soon.

4. This ad is just planting the seed on an issue that by itself may wreck the obama campaign.

5. You are going to to have a meltdown when obama and his wnnabe socialist regime campaign folds like a house of cards not long after the conventions.

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Actually Kerry has said he asked him to speak to jump start the grooming process to get him ready for the national stage. In all likely hood Kerry had visions of serving two terms as president then Obama would be ready in 2012. But his plans didn't work out.

I doubt it as I'm sure John Edwards would've had something to say about that. It makes for a nice conspiracy theory, though.

No conspiracy theory, I heard Kerry say close to that on CNN. Also I still get news letters from Kerry. In one of the newsletters he said he wanted Obama to speak for a number of reasons. One was to get him exposure on the national scene. As for Edwards he didn't have a whole lot to say about it, he was along for the ride.

Kerry may well have been trying to give him exposure. I doubt the part about grooming him for the 2012 election. It makes no sense on its face unless Edwards had indicated he didn't want to be president which, obviously, he did since he ran again in 2008. I think you're assigning your own meaning to Kerry's words. Nothing new.

Back to McCain. Here's part of a recent memo sent out by McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis:

Only celebrities like Barack Obama go to the gym three times a day, demand "MET-RX chocolate roasted-peanut protein bars and bottles of a hard-to-find organic brew -- Black Forest Berry Honest Tea" and worry about the price of arugula.

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I just really don't see how they think this is effective. It really, really makes them look petty and desperate, especially considering the price of the shoes McCain wears and that Cindy McCain charged as much as $500,000 in a single month on one American Express card and $250,000 on another, while one of their two dependent children had an AmEx card with a monthly balance as large as $50,000.

It's unfortunate that McCain feels that he has to resort to these kinds of tactics.

Your response here is pathetic al. You need to step back and get some perspective? Why?

1. You are the one coming across as jealous here with these stats.

2. The mccains have money, so what. That has nothing to do with the ad or the sentiment.

3. The desperation you see is a figment of your imagination. Mccain, is a few points behind in the polls and I really don't think they're worried about it at the moment. It is insignificant. The real campaign is about to start soon.

4. This ad is just planting the seed on an issue that by itself may wreck the obama campaign.

5. You are going to to have a meltdown when obama and his wnnabe socialist regime campaign folds like a house of cards not long after the conventions.

While my response is not pathetic, yours is very predictable. McCain is planting the seed that Obama is not only a "celebrity" but a "celebrity" on par with Spears and Hilton. The implication with both the ad and the memo is that Obama is, or worse, thinks he is, above us. He's an elitist and not really one of us. He "demands" MetRx bars and organic tea. We don't do that. McCain wears $500 shoes. We don't do that. The McCain's rack up $750,000 in one month on credit cards, $500,000 of which, by the rules of AmEx, must be paid in full at month's end. We really don't do that. Yet, Obama is out of touch.

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The RNC gets a little aggressive and the dims start their whining. Hypocrites, the whole lot. For the last two presidential elections the dims have run some of the nastiest campaigns in recent history. Conservatives were upset that the RNC didn't fight back. Now that the RNC is getting a few MILD jabs in, it's like the two-faced dims are appalled that they are being met face to face. It's about time and will work to the RNC's advantage. Dims might see it as jealousy, but republicans see it as what we are thinking anyway. So I guess it doesn't pander to all libs, so what!

The empty suit will collapse eventually.

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The implication with both the ad and the memo is that Obama is, or worse, thinks he is, above us. (He does, hence his preaching down to people.)

He's an elitist and not really one of us. (He is, would you like some arugula?)

He "demands" MetRx bars and organic tea. (Who cares? Does he drink latte?)

McCain wears $500 shoes. (I once had a pair of $600 boots. They were very comfortable but not practable. They looked good but I wouldn't wear them to the barn.)

We don't do that. The McCain's rack up $750,000 in one month on credit cards, $500,000 of which, by the rules of AmEx, must be paid in full at month's end. (Can they afford it? It's their money isn't it? Barrack & Michelle can do the same after the raise she got from the earmark provided by her husband.)

We really don't do that.

Yet, Obama is out of touch. (Obama's policys put him out of touch. Obama's financial deals put him out of touch. Obama's plan for all of us put him out of touch. Obama's plans for gas tax increases put him out of touch.)

Al has always been a big fan of class warfare.

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Does he ever talk about anything but the O?

What does Oprah have to do with anything?

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The implication with both the ad and the memo is that Obama is, or worse, thinks he is, above us. (He does, hence his preaching down to people.)You seem to feel inferior to him.

He's an elitist and not really one of us. (He is, would you like some arugula?) I never knew arugula was code for 'elitist.'

He "demands" MetRx bars and organic tea. (Who cares? Does he drink latte?)Evidently, the McCain campaign cares. It's their latest talking point.

McCain wears $500 shoes. (I once had a pair of $600 boots. They were very comfortable but not practable. They looked good but I wouldn't wear them to the barn.)Then you seem to value style over substance. Explains why you've felated Bush for...ever.

We don't do that. The McCain's rack up $750,000 in one month on credit cards, $500,000 of which, by the rules of AmEx, must be paid in full at month's end. (Can they afford it? It's their money isn't it? Barrack & Michelle can do the same after the raise she got from the earmark provided by her husband.)Theresa Kerry's money seemed to be a big deal to you in 2004. Glad you've flip-flopped.

We really don't do that.

Yet, Obama is out of touch. (Obama's policys put him out of touch. Obama's financial deals put him out of touch. Obama's plan for all of us put him out of touch. Obama's plans for gas tax increases put him out of touch.)Coming from a Bushbot, that's a great thing for the other 80% of us. Or has Bush's approval rating dropped below 20% yet?

Al has always been a big fan of class warfare.

No class warfare. Just pointing out the obvious. I'm glad McCain was blessed with Cindy Lou and her millions. I hope that his first wife, Carol, who waited for years while he was in Vietnam, was able to at least afford some $500 shoes of her own. It would be the least that Cindy Lou could do for her.

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Actually Kerry has said he asked him to speak to jump start the grooming process to get him ready for the national stage. In all likely hood Kerry had visions of serving two terms as president then Obama would be ready in 2012. But his plans didn't work out.

I doubt it as I'm sure John Edwards would've had something to say about that. It makes for a nice conspiracy theory, though.

No conspiracy theory, I heard Kerry say close to that on CNN. Also I still get news letters from Kerry. In one of the newsletters he said he wanted Obama to speak for a number of reasons. One was to get him exposure on the national scene. As for Edwards he didn't have a whole lot to say about it, he was along for the ride.

Kerry may well have been trying to give him exposure. I doubt the part about grooming him for the 2012 election. It makes no sense on its face unless Edwards had indicated he didn't want to be president which, obviously, he did since he ran again in 2008. I think you're assigning your own meaning to Kerry's words. Nothing new.

Back to McCain. Here's part of a recent memo sent out by McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis:

Only celebrities like Barack Obama go to the gym three times a day, demand "MET-RX chocolate roasted-peanut protein bars and bottles of a hard-to-find organic brew -- Black Forest Berry Honest Tea" and worry about the price of arugula.

LINK

I just really don't see how they think this is effective. It really, really makes them look petty and desperate, especially considering the price of the shoes McCain wears and that Cindy McCain charged as much as $500,000 in a single month on one American Express card and $250,000 on another, while one of their two dependent children had an AmEx card with a monthly balance as large as $50,000.

It's unfortunate that McCain feels that he has to resort to these kinds of tactics.

Your response here is pathetic al. You need to step back and get some perspective? Why?

1. You are the one coming across as jealous here with these stats.

2. The mccains have money, so what. That has nothing to do with the ad or the sentiment.

3. The desperation you see is a figment of your imagination. Mccain, is a few points behind in the polls and I really don't think they're worried about it at the moment. It is insignificant. The real campaign is about to start soon.

4. This ad is just planting the seed on an issue that by itself may wreck the obama campaign.

5. You are going to to have a meltdown when obama and his wnnabe socialist regime campaign folds like a house of cards not long after the conventions.

While my response is not pathetic, yours is very predictable. McCain is planting the seed that Obama is not only a "celebrity" but a "celebrity" on par with Spears and Hilton. The implication with both the ad and the memo is that Obama is, or worse, thinks he is, above us. He's an elitist and not really one of us. He "demands" MetRx bars and organic tea. We don't do that. McCain wears $500 shoes. We don't do that. The McCain's rack up $750,000 in one month on credit cards, $500,000 of which, by the rules of AmEx, must be paid in full at month's end. We really don't do that. Yet, Obama is out of touch.

Let me try to break it down for you again al.

Because someone spends alot of money has nothing to do with celebrity status.

The ad mccain ran had nothing to do with money but with how some people are perceived afa a "rockstar/celebrity" type status.

The mccains are wealthy and spend a lot of money. so freaking what. The ad was pointing out the freakish sort of image the media is trying to create for obama.

Take a step back (if you can) and put on your thinking cap.

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Obama's Celebrity Cred

July 30, 2008

A new McCain ad calls Obama a celebrity (true) who says he'll raise taxes on electricity (false).

Summary

McCain's new ad claims that Obama "says he'll raise taxes on electricity." That's false. Obama says no such thing.

McCain relies on a single quote from Obama who once – and only once so far as we can find – suggested taxing "dirty energy," including coal and natural gas. That was in response to a reporter's suggestion that a tax on wind power could fund education. Obama isn't proposing any new tax on electricity or "dirty energy" as part of his platform, and he never has.

It's true that a coal/gas tax would raise electric rates, but so would a cap-and-trade program to restrict carbon emissions. Cap-and-trade is an idea that both McCain and Obama support, in different forms. Neither candidate characterizes cap-and-trade as a "tax."

Analysis

Presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain once again goes after Barack Obama, his Democratic counterpart, in a new television ad titled "Celeb." The ad is airing on a few national networks and in 11 "key states," according to the campaign.

The ad opens with shots of massive crowds shouting Obama's name. As the female announcer informs us that "he's the biggest celebrity in the world," the camera cuts to quick images of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton. The announcer then asks whether Obama is ready to lead before informing us that Obama opposes offshore drilling and "says he'll raise taxes on electricity." The cheering crowds are replaced by ominous music as the suddenly serious announcer intones, "Higher taxes. Foreign Oil. That's the real Obama."

The McCain campaign sent reporters a set of "ad facts" to accompany the new spot. But the campaign's sole source for its charge that Obama wants to raise taxes on electricity is a short Feb. 19 interview that Obama gave to Carlos Guerra, a reporter with the San Antonio Express-News. Obama does in fact say, "What we ought to tax is dirty energy, like coal and, to a lesser extent, natural gas." But that quote is out of context. Obama and Guerra are discussing possible ways to fund education. Here's the pertinent passage, in full:

Guerra: Have you considered other funding sources, say taxing emerging energy forms, for example, say a penny per kilowatt hour on wind energy?

Obama: Well, that’s clean energy, and we want to drive down the cost of that, not raise it. We need to give them subsidies so they can start developing that. What we ought to tax is dirty energy, like coal and, to a lesser extent, natural gas.

But I think that the real way to fund education is for local communities to step up and say this is important to us. There are no shortcuts. When people say they want to fund education with lotteries, or do this or do that, what they are saying is that this isn’t a top priority. It should be a top priority and people should be saying, we get what we pay for.

As we read Obama's response, he is rejecting a tax on wind energy, saying that taxing "dirty energy" is a better option, and then he is rejecting both notions by saying "the real way" is for local communities to "step up" and pay for education with "no shortcuts." Obama's phrasing does leave room for interpretation, but to our ears this is a feeble peg on which to hang a claim that Obama wants to "raise taxes on electricity."

We asked the McCain campaign if it had any other information on which to base this "taxes on electricity" claim, and we received no response. We looked, but could find no instance of Obama making mention of a tax on electricity or any other reference to a "dirty energy" tax. In any case, no such policy proposals are currently part of his public platform.

Cap-and-Trade Programs Are Hott!

What was Obama talking about with his "dirty energy" remark? We asked campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor and got this response: "It was a reference to cap and trade. A position John McCain supports." And it's true that both McCain and Obama support cap-and-trade, which would indeed raise the price of electricity, whether one calls it a "tax" or not.

Cap-and-trade programs are designed to decrease the use of fossil fuels by requiring that industries (including power companies) cap their total carbon dioxide emissions. Companies would receive credits for CO2 emissions; any company that managed to stay under its quota would be permitted to sell its additional credits. The cap (or total number of credits issued) would shrink over time. Obama has proposed auctioning the initial credits, a policy that he says will generate revenue that can be invested into alternative energy research.

Eric Roston, of the nonpartisan Nicholas Institute for Environmental Policy Solutions, says that any cap-and-trade program will raise the cost of electricity. As he told FactCheck.org, "The goal of cap-and-trade is to make fossil fuels more expensive, which will make new technologies competitive with them." And since Obama would be auctioning credits, Roston says that it's "not unreasonable" to label Obama's program a tax politically.

Of course, by that standard, John McCain also favors raising taxes on electricity. McCain's Web site prominently proclaims his support for a cap-and-trade program, and in 2003, McCain and then-Democrat Joe Lieberman jointly sponsored legislation that would have implemented a cap-and-trade system.

Toxic Charges

We usually try to avoid writing articles about Hollywood's latest gossip, but in this case, we felt that the McCain campaign's choice of celebrities is worth a brief mention. In a conference call with reporters, McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said the ad features Ms. Hilton and Ms. Spears because, on the listing of "three biggest international celebrities in the world," they rank second and third. We'll leave it to you to judge how up-to-date the McCain campaign's celebrity meter is. But we will note that, in a lucky coincidence, Spears and Hilton also topped an AP poll for "worst celebrity role model." That connection appears to be deliberate. When asked whether the campaign intended to imply that Obama is as "frivolous and irresponsible" as Spears or Hilton, Rogers replied, "I think that's exactly what we've been saying."

If McCain's aides believe that Barack Obama is like Britney Spears, that's their prerogative.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/ob...brity_cred.html

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If McCain's aides believe that Barack Obama is like Britney Spears, that's their prerogative.

It will resonate pretty well with the public the closer we get to election time. Americans like to cheer a lot but deep inside they like the guy who will be rock steady. That ain't the empty suit's style.

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He's beginning to come across as a frustrated, jealous guy. Sad.

There's nothing wrong w/ that ad in the least. Makes the point fairly clear. Pretty clever, if ya ask me. Your faux indignation is whats coming off as sad and frustrated.

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If McCain's aides believe that Barack Obama is like Britney Spears, that's their prerogative.

No no my friend. Bobby Brown is the one with the prerogative.