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[DKW 86 7,419]

 

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stormy-daniels-60-minutes-donald-trump-interview-to-be-broadcast-sunday/

The 60 Minutes interview with Stormy Daniels, the adult-film star and director who says she had an affair with Donald Trump, will be broadcast on Sunday, March 25 at 7:00 p.m. ET/PT on CBS.

Daniels talks to Anderson Cooper about the relationship she says she had with Mr. Trump in 2006 and 2007, revealing details that bring her story up to the present. It is the first and only television interview in which she speaks about the alleged relationship.   

The president has denied having an affair with Daniels.

The 60 Minutes segment will include an examination of the potential legal and political ramifications of the $130,000 payment that Mr. Trump's attorney Michael Cohen says he made to Daniels using his own funds. Daniels accepted the money in return for signing a confidentiality agreement.

Cooper conducted the interview earlier this month after Cohen obtained a temporary restraining order against Daniels and she sued the president in state court in California. Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, is seeking a ruling that the confidentiality agreement between her and the president is invalid, in part because Mr. Trump never signed it. The president's attorneys are seeking to move the case to federal court and claim Daniels is liable for more than $20 million in damages for violations of the agreement.

 

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I really do not know how he has a leg to stand on if he never signed it, or his attorney didnt sign it for him, maybe?

I file all this under...KARMA. If WJC can get drug thru the wringer on his thing with Lewinsky, then Trump can as well. Hope all those evangelicals supporting Trump have a great day today AND Sunday night...

I pretty much hope they:
openly discuss supporting a whoremonger,
openly discuss crapping on your wedding vows,
openly discuss how supporting as much effects your testimony,
and openly discuss how all this reflects on the Body of Christ during bible study...

[bigbird 60,514]

28 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

 

I really do not know how he has a leg to stand on if he never signed it, or his attorney didnt sign it for him, maybe?

I file all this under...KARMA. If WJC can get drug thru the wringer on his thing with Lewinsky, then Trump can as well. Hope all those evangelicals supporting Trump have a great day today AND Sunday night...

I pretty much hope they:
openly discuss supporting a whoremonger,
openly discuss crapping on your wedding vows,
openly discuss how supporting as much effects your testimony,
and openly discuss how all this reflects on the Body of Christ during bible study...

They probably feel like all the Catholics that loved and adored JFK. Trump's behavior is not new to the office he holds. Neither party is clean.

I think his behavior awful. I think Trump's personal life has been littered with shameful acts.  The lying to me is even worse than the act itself.  However, I also know that most of the evangelicals I interact with voted for him not for him, but for what he could do for the court compared to what HRC would've done.  Neither candidate was a bastion for the Christan faith.  

[TexasTiger 12,846]

1 hour ago, bigbird said:

They probably feel like all the Catholics that loved and adored JFK. Trump's behavior is not new to the office he holds. Neither party is clean.

I think his behavior awful. I think Trump's personal life has been littered with shameful acts.  The lying to me is even worse than the act itself.  However, I also know that most of the evangelicals I interact with voted for him not for him, but for what he could do for the court compared to what HRC would've done.  Neither candidate was a bastion for the Christan faith.  

Regardless of why people voted for him in 2016, that’s no longer relevant. Neither is HRC. Mike Pence is your option now. Personally, I don’t care for Pence. I’m totally unimpressed with his lack of backbone, his positions aside. But I’d take him for now because he’s not an impulsively immoral narcissist that only really cares about himself. Folks who keep excusing Trump’s behavior are no better than he is.

[bigbird 60,514]

1 hour ago, TexasTiger said:

But I’d take him for now because he’s not an impulsively immoral narcissist that only really cares about himself.

That's about how I feel too.  I'm not a Trump supporter, but I'm not blind to pots or kettles either.

 I find the back and forth from both sides tiresome and juvenile.  There is no longer any substantive dialogue between opposing sides. There is no longer a desire to move the country to a betterment. It litteraly has become a "as long as my side looks like it won" type of mentality. The bases may differ substantially on many things, but the parties and whom they prop up are the same type of person.  To point fingers at one is to ridiculous when the same things have happened to the other.  I'd say most people with opposing political views would rather focus on things they can work on together, compromise, and try to move forward. It seems that our political figures are more concerned about fanning flames of deviciveness than trying to find ways to compromise with each other. That is on both sides of the aisle.  

Serious question. What's the difference between Trump and his porn star and JFK and Marilyn?  

To me it's the access to the information. 

[TexasTiger 12,846]

19 minutes ago, bigbird said:

That's about how I feel too.  I'm not a Trump supporter, but I'm not blind to pots or kettles either.

 I find the back and forth from both sides tiresome and juvenile.  There is no longer any substantive dialogue between opposing sides. There is no longer a desire to move the country to a betterment. It litteraly has become a "as long as my side looks like it won" type of mentality. The bases may differ substantially on many things, but the parties and whom they prop up are the same type of person.  To point fingers at one is to ridiculous when the same things have happened to the other.  I'd say most people with opposing political views would rather focus on things they can work on together, compromise, and try to move forward. It seems that our political figures are more concerned about fanning flames of deviciveness than trying to find ways to compromise with each other. That is on both sides of the aisle.  

Serious question. What's the difference between Trump and his porn star and JFK and Marilyn?  

To me it's the access to the information. 

I don’t know that there’s a meaningful difference between Trump’s affairs and JFK’s affairs themselves, although one difference is had the public known about JFK he would have been toast and both parties would have condemned it. Clinton’s conduct was roundly condemned by Democrats and they even supported censure though few thought it rose to the level of removal. The most meaningful difference in Trump’s case is it’s just one more thing that Republicans ignore, or worse, deflect from and minimize. He says there was no affair but will sue her for $20M if she talks about it? The amazing distortion and denial of reality is the most damaging feature to our society and our ability to effectively govern ourselves. We can’t deny basic facts and make sound decisions or hold folks accountable.

[bigbird 60,514]

1 minute ago, TexasTiger said:

The most meaningful difference in Trump’s case is it’s just one more thing that Republicans ignore, or worse, deflect from and minimize. He says there was no affair but will sue her for $20M if she talks about it? The amazing distortion and denial of reality is the most damaging feature to our society and our ability to effectively govern ourselves. We can deny basic facts and make sound decisions or hold folks accountable.

Agreed. Like I said in my first response here, "To me, the lying is the worst part." 

There is no point to this story, save the lying. He had an affair before the office. So what? He isn't the first or the last...Admit it and move on. Instead he lies and it becomes a "scandal".

[Barnacle 9,064]

Pretty sure Dems reacted to Clinton's affair in much the same way that Repubs are reacting to Trump's. Private matter, not indicative of his ability to lead, etc. 

[AU64 10,122]

1 minute ago, bigbird said:

Agreed. Like I said in my first response here, "To me, the lying is the worst part."

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman....Ms Lewinski.....I want the American people to listen to me......"  Bill Clinton

That was the last time I thought that someone could actually look me in the eye with that seriousness and tell an outright lie.    Since then every president has lied to us at one time or another about things that were political self serving.    I am not surprised by DT....but HC has lied to us repeatedly about really important stuff so....and as they said back in Bill's day.....'it was only about sex and everyone lies about sex'. 

[TexasTiger 12,846]

2 minutes ago, Barnacle said:

Pretty sure Dems reacted to Clinton's affair in much the same way that Repubs are reacting to Trump's. Private matter, not indicative of his ability to lead, etc. 

A key difference is that I see evangelicals claiming Trump was God’s choice and they still overwhelmingly support him even though he claims he’s never seen fit to ask God for forgiveness for anything. For many of Trump’s supporters they engaged in a gross rejection of basic principles coupled with outright denial that they’re doing so. 

[TexasTiger 12,846]

Just now, AU64 said:

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman....Ms Lewinski.....I want the American people to listen to me......"  Bill Clinton

That was the last time I thought that someone could actually look me in the eye with that seriousness and tell an outright lie.    Since then every president has lied to us at one time or another about things that were political self serving.    I am not surprised by DT....but HC has lied to us repeatedly about really important stuff so....and as they said back in Bill's day.....'it was only about sex and everyone lies about sex'. 

Trump has lied to repeatedly about important stuff and you don’t even care. And HRC is no longer relevant. She’s not part of the equation.

[AU64 10,122]

8 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

Trump has lied to repeatedly about important stuff and you don’t even care. And HRC is no longer relevant. She’s not part of the equation.

HC?   sure she is... she is relevant because she is why we have DT....    She and the people around her lied flagrantly and nobody in the Dem party seemed to care....but a lot of US voters cared and so we have DT..with all his faults which were seen as fewer than HCs. 

But, not sure what important things are on your list with DT.....and how many times did  Obama lie about important stuff ...so I don't expect any more out of DT that we got from him....JMO....   politicians lie when it's to their benefit.  I don't like it but I recognize the reality of it...the cynic in me ....and something like the OP....a dozen years ago in his private life?.....not important to what is going on in the world...JMO....

[lca408 366]

24 minutes ago, bigbird said:

There is no point to this story, save the lying. He had an affair before the office. So what? He isn't the first or the last...Admit it and move on. Instead he lies and it becomes a "scandal".

THIS. Why lie about it? We can argue about the immorality of it and that's fine and valid but an affair that occurred 10 years ago between consenting adults SHOULD have no bearing on the governing of the country in 2018. The lying makes this whole situation ridiculous. He's making it even harder for people to support him on anything - as if it was easy before.

[TexasTiger 12,846]

3 minutes ago, AU64 said:

HC?   sure she is... she is relevant because she is why we have DT....    She and the people around her lied flagrantly and nobody in the Dem party seemed to care....but a lot of US voters cared and so we have DT..with all his faults which were seen as fewer than HCs. 

But, not sure what important things are on your list with DT.....and how many times did  Obama lie about important stuff ...so I don't expect any more out of DT that we got from him....JMO....   politicians lie when it's to their benefit.  I don't like it but I recognize the reality of it...the cynic in me ....and something like the OP....a dozen years ago in his private life?.....not important to what is going on in the world...JMO....

HRC was relevant to the equation in 2016, not now. We have one President. He’s the focus. If you don’t see the lies, conflicts, corruption then you must simply have no interest in doing so, which I guess comes from tribalism— you just hate the other side too much. At this point I could live with Kasich, Romney, Steve Schmidt, Richard Jolley, Lamar Alexander, Bob Corker and a host of other Republicans I disagree with as President— this isn’t tribal for me.

[AU64 10,122]

Tribal ?....sure it is.....just can't get off that word...   I would have preferred someone else to but my candidate was knocked out early....and I accepted the result.  Maybe the real Tribalists are the ones who just can't move on more than a year after the election.  . 

Go find your perfect candidate and put him or her forward for office.....this is the United States.....it is just that easy if you disagree with the current leadership.  So go and run a better candidate and run a better campaign.. ..

[TexasTiger 12,846]

1 minute ago, AU64 said:

Tribal ?....sure it is.....just can't get off that word...   I would have preferred someone else to but my candidate was knocked out early....and I accepted the result.  Maybe the real Tribalists are the ones who just can't move on more than a year after the election.  . 

Go find your perfect candidate and put him or her forward for office.....this is the United States.....it is just that easy if you disagree with the current leadership.  So go and run a better candidate and run a better campaign.. ..

Do you have any concerns with the current President? If so, what are they? Are their any Dems you’d prefer at this point in that role?

[AU64 10,122]

2 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

Do you have any concerns with the current President? If so, what are they? Are their any Dems you’d prefer at this point in that role?

Lots of concerns but nothing going to change at this point. I put up with 8 years of Obama and other than his blatant lies about Obamacare and a few other things., I pretty much just lived with the results.  

I have not seen a Dem that I prefer since there does not seem to be a presidential candidate in the party except the ancient liberals like Biden and HC (maybe) and a few others.   The Dems do not have realistic presidential candidate and even they know it....such that people in the party were actually excited that Oprah might run.  That should tell you where the party is right now.   I liked Webb pretty well but he never had a chance against the Clinton machine and I guess he is done politically. Guys like Warner and Kane have no chance far as I can tell.....especially if you look at the current leadership of the DNC and minority leaders. 

[homersapien 11,369]

One thing about Trump, his other shortcomings make this seem utterly trivial.

Lying about an affair?  Pfffffft.   

How about lying about a hostile foreign country nefariously supporting his election?  Now there's something that's unique.

In a few decades - maybe less - we will look back and be gobsmacked about things such as Trump's position on global warming and energy.  He's going to be judged by things like withdrawing from the Paris climate accords - which he either didn't understand or blatently lied about.  And for things like appointing a scientific illiterate - a denier - to head the EPA.  He has done everything in his power to disarm our ability to deal with the looming future both technically and economically with his tax cuts.

Stormy Daniels will be forgotten.  Trumps arrogant narcissism coupled with this ignorance will be remembered.  He will be remembered for trying to lead the country in exactly the wrong direction.

 

[DKW 86 7,419]

6 hours ago, bigbird said:

Serious question. What's the difference between Trump and his porn star and JFK and Marilyn Monroe?

The difference is that the High and Mighty denounced JFK too. If the H&M had covered for JFK, that would make a difference. They mocked him etc. Now they should either mock Trump or sthu. 

[DKW 86 7,419]

4 hours ago, homersapien said:

Stormy Daniels will be forgotten.  Trumps arrogant narcissism coupled with this ignorance will be remembered.  He will be remembered for trying to lead the country in exactly the wrong direction.

 

Homer, sex sells. There will always be JFK and MM, WJC & ML, DT & SD. We are in a media driven world. Media likes pictures, especially or attractive women with large breasts hanging out. This is not going away in our lifetimes. 

[homersapien 11,369]

17 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Homer, sex sells. There will always be JFK and MM, WJC & ML, DT & SD. We are in a media driven world. Media likes pictures, especially or attractive women with large breasts hanging out. This is not going away in our lifetimes. 

My point is no presidents are remembered for their sexual indiscretions.  They are remembered for the policies they implemented.  

My theory is the sort of man who aspires to the presidency is the sort who fools around with women.  

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

10 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

A key difference is that I see evangelicals claiming Trump was God’s choice and they still overwhelmingly support him even though he claims he’s never seen fit to ask God for forgiveness for anything. For many of Trump’s supporters they engaged in a gross rejection of basic principles coupled with outright denial that they’re doing so. 

You cannot say in actual certainty that majority of Evangelical Christians in America overwhelmingly support Trump. That's an essentially baseless claim. Exit polls determine "evangelical" based on the checking of a box. 

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

10 hours ago, Barnacle said:

Pretty sure Dems reacted to Clinton's affair in much the same way that Repubs are reacting to Trump's. Private matter, not indicative of his ability to lead, etc. 

Spot on. 

[DKW 86 7,419]

We are still talking about JFK & MM. I went to Amazon just now. Books on JFK & MM are averaging 1:2years or so. 5 in the last 5. 

Sex sells. Salaciousness sells. We here on this forum may look at policy etc. The rest of Reality TV World Murica would rather see the titillation.

Both died in 1962 and we have a ton of Americans that are still obsessed with their sex lives.

[TexasTiger 12,846]

3 hours ago, NolaAuTiger said:

You cannot say in actual certainty that majority of Evangelical Christians in America overwhelmingly support Trump. That's an essentially baseless claim. Exit polls determine "evangelical" based on the checking of a box. 

Most evangelicals would accept Stormy Daniels as First Lady at this point.

[TexasTiger 12,846]

14 hours ago, Barnacle said:

Pretty sure Dems reacted to Clinton's affair in much the same way that Repubs are reacting to Trump's. Private matter, not indicative of his ability to lead, etc. 

 

3 hours ago, NolaAuTiger said:

Spot on. 

Do you guys ever get tired of being wrong? Or do you confuse it with “winning”?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/1998/09/05/us/many-democrats-concur-with-rebuke-to-clinton.html