tigermac 11 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I would be pissed, but I'm in the last resort crowd. I would rather we not hire the guy period. But, if all the Tier A and Tier B guys turn down the job, and we're left with mediocre coaches, we would be painted into a corner where you almost have to hire him. I think he should be way down the list. Our program is a mess. He is too. Not a good match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NA Tiger 0 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I would be pissed, but I'm in the last resort crowd. I would rather we not hire the guy period. But, if all the Tier A and Tier B guys turn down the job, and we're left with mediocre coaches, we would be painted into a corner where you almost have to hire him. I think he should be way down the list. Our program is a mess. He is too. Not a good match. at the end of the day, I think a lot of us feel this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,511 Posted November 30, 2012 Author Share Posted November 30, 2012 Once again, for the reading impaired: "Selling out" in this instance would be to hire him either without caring or bothering to check to see if he's changed, taken responsibility and put safeguards and other life adjustments in place to make sure he doesn't go down this path again. Another would be to hire him if you did check into it and found out he's still the same old guy but just ignore the evidence because you want to win. IT IS NOT SELLING OUT to talk to him, do your homework on him, ask people around him who've had opportunity to watch him since then and whatever else you need to do to get an accurate picture of where he is personally in terms of personal responsibility, showing concrete efforts to change his ways, accepting of responsibility and showing true remorse and so on and THEN hiring him if you get good answers to those inquiries. This is not a hard concept. It is not compromising one's integrity to give someone another chance if you think they have shown they have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger25 29 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Once again, for the reading impaired: "Selling out" in this instance would be to hire him either without caring or bothering to check to see if he's changed, taken responsibility and put safeguards and other life adjustments in place to make sure he doesn't go down this path again. Another would be to hire him if you did check into it and found out he's still the same old guy but just ignore the evidence because you want to win. IT IS NOT SELLING OUT to talk to him, do your homework on him, ask people around him who've had opportunity to watch him since then and whatever else you need to do to get an accurate picture of where he is personally in terms of personal responsibility, showing concrete efforts to change his ways, accepting of responsibility and showing true remorse and so on and THEN hiring him if you get good answers to those inquiries. This is not a hard concept. It is not compromising one's integrity to give someone another chance if you think they have shown they have changed. I bet it gets tiresome repeating yourself.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Once again, for the reading impaired: "Selling out" in this instance would be to hire him either without caring or bothering to check to see if he's changed, taken responsibility and put safeguards and other life adjustments in place to make sure he doesn't go down this path again. Another would be to hire him if you did check into it and found out he's still the same old guy but just ignore the evidence because you want to win. IT IS NOT SELLING OUT to talk to him, do your homework on him, ask people around him who've had opportunity to watch him since then and whatever else you need to do to get an accurate picture of where he is personally in terms of personal responsibility, showing concrete efforts to change his ways, accepting of responsibility and showing true remorse and so on and THEN hiring him if you get good answers to those inquiries. This is not a hard concept. It is not compromising one's integrity to give someone another chance if you think they have shown they have changed. you make some thoughtful posts but I continue to wonder who you're referring to when you say.."talk to those around him to make sure he's changed'? The guy isn't working right not so if you dont mind would you be little more specific on who those people would be? His wife, if they have indeed reconciled, is not going to say or even imply he hasn't changed. Besides, ya think she'd be for him getting back to making $millions sooner rather than later, or what? Having said that, who are those around him that can give the kind of solid information that is required to do what you suggest....his drinking buddies, the guys in his foursome, his mother and father? Come on man! Just admit you want the guy no matter what and stop the charade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigermac 11 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Once again, for the reading impaired: "Selling out" in this instance would be to hire him either without caring or bothering to check to see if he's changed, taken responsibility and put safeguards and other life adjustments in place to make sure he doesn't go down this path again. Another would be to hire him if you did check into it and found out he's still the same old guy but just ignore the evidence because you want to win. IT IS NOT SELLING OUT to talk to him, do your homework on him, ask people around him who've had opportunity to watch him since then and whatever else you need to do to get an accurate picture of where he is personally in terms of personal responsibility, showing concrete efforts to change his ways, accepting of responsibility and showing true remorse and so on and THEN hiring him if you get good answers to those inquiries. This is not a hard concept. It is not compromising one's integrity to give someone another chance if you think they have shown they have changed. you make some thoughtful posts but I continue to wonder who you're referring to when you say.."talk to those around him to make sure he's changed'? The guy isn't working right not so if you dont mind would you be little more specific on who those people would be? His wife, if they have indeed reconciled, is not going to say or even imply he hasn't changed. Besides, ya think she'd be for him getting back to making $millions sooner rather than later, or what? Having said that, who are those around him that can give the kind of solid information that is required to do what you suggest....his dinking buddies, the guys in his foursome, his mother and father? Come on man! Just admit you want the guy no matter what and stop the charade. ^^^ BANG. I didn't say it was selling out to talk to him. I said if you hire him. The people around him are going to have his back regardless. Come on Titan. You jump down my throat every time I say something against Petrino because you want him here. But, you started a thread about Petrino leaving ATL in a not so classy way back in 07, and said yourself in the thread that he was a jerk and that Arkansas should beware. You felt that way about him BEFORE he cheated on his wife, hired his unqualified mistress to a job in the AD, and lied to both his employer and the police about the whole thing...humiliating himself, his family, and the institution he represented in the process. Gimme a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeaauburn 21 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Once again, for the reading impaired: "Selling out" in this instance would be to hire him either without caring or bothering to check to see if he's changed, taken responsibility and put safeguards and other life adjustments in place to make sure he doesn't go down this path again. Another would be to hire him if you did check into it and found out he's still the same old guy but just ignore the evidence because you want to win. IT IS NOT SELLING OUT to talk to him, do your homework on him, ask people around him who've had opportunity to watch him since then and whatever else you need to do to get an accurate picture of where he is personally in terms of personal responsibility, showing concrete efforts to change his ways, accepting of responsibility and showing true remorse and so on and THEN hiring him if you get good answers to those inquiries. This is not a hard concept. It is not compromising one's integrity to give someone another chance if you think they have shown they have changed. Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leglessdan 1,934 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Once again, for the reading impaired: "Selling out" in this instance would be to hire him either without caring or bothering to check to see if he's changed, taken responsibility and put safeguards and other life adjustments in place to make sure he doesn't go down this path again. Another would be to hire him if you did check into it and found out he's still the same old guy but just ignore the evidence because you want to win. IT IS NOT SELLING OUT to talk to him, do your homework on him, ask people around him who've had opportunity to watch him since then and whatever else you need to do to get an accurate picture of where he is personally in terms of personal responsibility, showing concrete efforts to change his ways, accepting of responsibility and showing true remorse and so on and THEN hiring him if you get good answers to those inquiries. This is not a hard concept. It is not compromising one's integrity to give someone another chance if you think they have shown they have changed. THIS!.....You can bet your hind-quarters I will still have the same integrity and class no matter who is hired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Eagle 96 10 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Man. Had to post to get to the bottom of the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Freak 2,528 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Once freed from this moralistic morass, it will remain that Petrino is an offensive mastermind who has proven to run a tight, clean program suffused with discipline - and he's had a season off do his penance, regroup, focus, and study the game of football which will engender even more fricking awesomeness. Bring it on back to Auburn, Bobby. "Did someone say "morass"?" - Bobby P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigermac 11 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Titan, what has changed your opinion of Bobby P's class since you started this thread about him taking the Arkansas job and leaving the Falcons hanging? http://www.aufamily.com/forums/topic/44192-petrinoclassy-to-the-end/page__hl__%20titantiger%20%20bobby%20%20petrino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeaauburn 21 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Cam Newton stole a laptop and had a shady past prior to coming to Auburn. Anyone regret getting him? Can also spent a year at junior college and proved himself worthy of another chance. Let Petrino go prove he can be trusted somewhere else where the stakes aren't so high. Prove himself worthy and leave the JUCO program for another school and he gets blasted for leaving. Prove himself morally...how will we know. We seem to be grasping for straws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustache eagle 2,412 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 We can't hire Petrino. Don't you guys remember what happened to Tiger Woods when he was publicly outed and had to stop banging sluts behind his wife's back? I do. He sucked at golf. If Petrino sans mistress is going to be anything like Tiger Woods without porn stars and Perkins restaurant waitresses, I don't want any part of it. yes and presently tiger woods is the number 3 ranked golfer in the world. the other guys have come and gone and he has stayed in the top 5 the entire time ... i think you picked a poor example to try and denigrate BP - although i will grant you that his game has gone down and his wins have reduced (some would argue due to changing his swing and trying to protect his ailing body), but he is almost always in the mix whereas other guys are only in the mix periodically. BTW, i am not a fan of tiger woods, kinda like the reason i dont like the yankees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger25 29 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Titan, what has changed your opinion of Bobby P's class since you started this thread about him taking the Arkansas job and leaving the Falcons hanging? http://www.aufamily.com/forums/topic/44192-petrinoclassy-to-the-end/page__hl__%20titantiger%20%20bobby%20%20petrino Really? That's not even measurable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 We can't hire Petrino. Don't you guys remember what happened to Tiger Woods when he was publicly outed and had to stop banging sluts behind his wife's back? I do. He sucked at golf. If Petrino sans mistress is going to be anything like Tiger Woods without porn stars and Perkins restaurant waitresses, I don't want any part of it. yes and presently tiger woods is the number 3 ranked golfer in the world. the other guys have come and gone and he has stayed in the top 5 the entire time ... i think you picked a poor example to try and denigrate BP - although i will grant you that his game has gone down and his wins have reduced (some would argue due to changing his swing and trying to protect his ailing body), but he is almost always in the mix whereas other guys are only in the mix periodically. BTW, i am not a fan of tiger woods, kinda like the reason i dont like the yankees. is Auburn going after Tiger Woods now? If not I really do not see even the remotest relevance to this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Titan, what has changed your opinion of Bobby P's class since you started this thread about him taking the Arkansas job and leaving the Falcons hanging? http://www.aufamily.... bobby petrino "Arkansas got a good coach, but this might be a case of careful what you wish for.".....Titan said that? WOW....hard to believe he's flipped completely since then and seems to be leading the charge for Petrino. I guess he no longer sees BP as a potential liability! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustache eagle 2,412 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Discouraging. Hmmm. Didn't I just read something here that said in effect Petrino and Whitt, Jr. nearly came to blows back in '02? Maybe they respect each other for their respective squads, O and D, brawling and each of them having their guys' backs. Hmm.... I'm just assuming these guys would be his "awesome DC" he'd bring along. Color me skeptical, but optimistic. Auburn blood. Yes...then Petrino hired him on his staff at Louisville. Intense competitors sometimes yell and get into fights. This isn't Mommy and Daddy saying mean things in the kitchen to each other. It's football. i believe that was with Whitt SENIOR ... but i may be wrong about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustache eagle 2,412 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Once again, for the reading impaired: "Selling out" in this instance would be to hire him either without caring or bothering to check to see if he's changed, taken responsibility and put safeguards and other life adjustments in place to make sure he doesn't go down this path again. Another would be to hire him if you did check into it and found out he's still the same old guy but just ignore the evidence because you want to win. IT IS NOT SELLING OUT to talk to him, do your homework on him, ask people around him who've had opportunity to watch him since then and whatever else you need to do to get an accurate picture of where he is personally in terms of personal responsibility, showing concrete efforts to change his ways, accepting of responsibility and showing true remorse and so on and THEN hiring him if you get good answers to those inquiries. This is not a hard concept. It is not compromising one's integrity to give someone another chance if you think they have shown they have changed. I bet it gets tiresome repeating yourself.. new people keep reposting the same anti BP points so titan keeps reposting the same good rationale. as does a few other guys. i simply do not see a better college football coach (that is reasonably attainable) than BP that is a proven winner and is an experienced HC other than patterson and peterson. do you want an O minded guy - BP. do you want a D minded guy - GP. or do you want a mix - CPthe other options are simply not proven HC to the same extent these guys are. the rest of the argument is noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustache eagle 2,412 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Once again, for the reading impaired: "Selling out" in this instance would be to hire him either without caring or bothering to check to see if he's changed, taken responsibility and put safeguards and other life adjustments in place to make sure he doesn't go down this path again. Another would be to hire him if you did check into it and found out he's still the same old guy but just ignore the evidence because you want to win. IT IS NOT SELLING OUT to talk to him, do your homework on him, ask people around him who've had opportunity to watch him since then and whatever else you need to do to get an accurate picture of where he is personally in terms of personal responsibility, showing concrete efforts to change his ways, accepting of responsibility and showing true remorse and so on and THEN hiring him if you get good answers to those inquiries. This is not a hard concept. It is not compromising one's integrity to give someone another chance if you think they have shown they have changed. you make some thoughtful posts but I continue to wonder who you're referring to when you say.."talk to those around him to make sure he's changed'? The guy isn't working right not so if you dont mind would you be little more specific on who those people would be? His wife, if they have indeed reconciled, is not going to say or even imply he hasn't changed. Besides, ya think she'd be for him getting back to making $millions sooner rather than later, or what? Having said that, who are those around him that can give the kind of solid information that is required to do what you suggest....his dinking buddies, the guys in his foursome, his mother and father? Come on man! Just admit you want the guy no matter what and stop the charade. not sure you realize how funny that is ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustache eagle 2,412 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Titan, what has changed your opinion of Bobby P's class since you started this thread about him taking the Arkansas job and leaving the Falcons hanging? http://www.aufamily.... bobby petrino "Arkansas got a good coach, but this might be a case of careful what you wish for.".....Titan said that? WOW....hard to believe he's flipped completely since then and seems to be leading the charge for Petrino. I guess he no longer sees BP as a potential liability! seriously?!?!? you guys are dredging up 5 year old threads to find a snippet that you can try to gig a guy with? this is college sports not gotcha journalism on politics on the cable news. dont yall feel a little "slimmy" for doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietmaninthecorner 1,945 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Titan, what has changed your opinion of Bobby P's class since you started this thread about him taking the Arkansas job and leaving the Falcons hanging? http://www.aufamily.... bobby petrino I made some posts like that too. Honestly... I did it because I did NOT want Arkansas to get Petrino. I was worried they would start winning 80% of their games against us. You know... internet spin... Try too keep our competition from hiring a better coach than we have. It is the same reason so many other teams are trying to tear down BP right now. There are 3-4 names I would be happy with, but IMHO, Petrino should top the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,511 Posted November 30, 2012 Author Share Posted November 30, 2012 ^^^ BANG. I didn't say it was selling out to talk to him. I said if you hire him. The people around him are going to have his back regardless. Come on Titan. You jump down my throat every time I say something against Petrino because you want him here. But, you started a thread about Petrino leaving ATL in a not so classy way back in 07, and said yourself in the thread that he was a jerk and that Arkansas should beware. You felt that way about him BEFORE he cheated on his wife, hired his unqualified mistress to a job in the AD, and lied to both his employer and the police about the whole thing...humiliating himself, his family, and the institution he represented in the process. Gimme a break. More like pfffft. You're not selling out if you hire him either if you do what I've suggested in terms of process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,511 Posted November 30, 2012 Author Share Posted November 30, 2012 Titan, what has changed your opinion of Bobby P's class since you started this thread about him taking the Arkansas job and leaving the Falcons hanging? http://www.aufamily.... bobby petrino Let me see... ...that was over five years ago. ...I've seen more than just that side of the situation since then and realize the Falcons had a huge part in the way that went down as well. ...I've read the more detailed accounts of how his authority as a head coach was undermined in the locker room by ownership, contributing to why he wanted to get out and back to the college game. Do you hold all the same opinions on every matter that you did 5 or more years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike4AU 1,739 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Titan, what has changed your opinion of Bobby P's class since you started this thread about him taking the Arkansas job and leaving the Falcons hanging? http://www.aufamily.... bobby petrino Let me see... ...that was over five years ago. ...I've seen more than just that side of the situation since then and realize the Falcons had a huge part in the way that went down as well. ...I've read the more detailed accounts of how his authority as a head coach was undermined in the locker room by ownership, contributing to why he wanted to get out and back to the college game. Do you hold all the same opinions on every matter that you did 5 or more years ago? Heck, I think I change my mind on BP every day! This BP sucks vs BP is great talk is just plain stupid. How many different ways can folks say he is a scumbag? How many different ways can folks say he is a great coach and deserves a second chance. Geeze!! I will be so glad when a new HC is hired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdp5150 167 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I am curious to know from the anti-Petrino crowd what is your solution other than Petrino. I know post after post says "we should just hire ______________________". Many of these names that are tossed around are not realistic. Consider the following: According to Bham radio 97.3 Max Howell, Jimbo withdrew his name yesterday. Plus he has steadily gotten stronger in his contentment with his current position. Getting Peterson/Patterson is great IF You can get them to leave their school & not just use us for a raise. We may have lost a shot at Charlie Strong because the leak forced him to take a strong stance against us. Jeff Fisher is not likely coming. Gundy isn't likely to come. Sumlin isn't likely to come. Mora isn't likely to come. It seems we are being forced into an unproven coordinator or Gus vs Petrino. If it comes down to unproven coordinators versus Petrino then it isn't a close contest. The board has already debunked the myth of Gus on recruiting & his offense against the best offenses in this conference. Petrino is hands down the best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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