auburnphan 6,050 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 11 hours ago, corchjay said: If the rule would have been in effect would OJ Howard have left Bama? Their fans say he was uber talented and underutilized. And he made it to the NFL. The NFL uses him now. Shame on Saban for not using his talent better. mis-remembering at its best. swing and a miss CJ Uzomah might be a better TE example, but might not fit your narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoBoJackson 65 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I thought that the original idea was intended for freshman....and I am fine with the rule in regards to helping them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanFAN 1,666 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Interesting to see if the SEC conference gets enough flak from coaches to have some sort of change or addendum to the yearly 25 max signees. So far BS, JB, IS, JH, NCM and JM have either left, or will redshirt/grad transfer. 6 scholarships players, I believe. Now exclude grad transfers, because that is a players right they have earned after graduating and there will always be attrition in programs it is just the nature of the beast. Vacated scholarships can be awarded to those walk-ons to fill the 85 max set by the NCAA but that generally or most of the time is given to a senior, so it is a one year deal. The question comes; as players decide to shut it down for the year and transfer out using the redshirt rule. If a school looses a number of scholarship players that can not be backfilled the next year due to the 25 max signee limit and the fact Grad Transfers count towards those numbers, a void of depth could develop. Now that void could happen in one or over a 2-3 year period, if a consistent # of players use the redshirt rule as a means to transfer out of programs. No coach wants to just consistently backfill that 85 man void with an abundance of walkons, I would think. I think tell tale sign is what happens at other schools within the SEC, to see if this isolated to one school or multiple schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aujeff11 6,243 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 This rule is good in theory; negative consequences are being brought out of tbe application though. I’m all for taking some power away from the coaches, but we are probably not even done with the mid-season attrition, and the attrition could affect our program as a whole. Just thinking out loud, in 2012 if this rule was in place, how many players would leave? Would 2013 even be possible? @Mikey, what are our attrition numbers this year? I know we are at 5 since start of fall camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanFAN 1,666 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 From GUS on newly available scholarships: “They'll continue throughout this semester on scholarship. Wishes he could give them to walk-ons, but if a player starts semester on scholarship, they cannot be handed over if that player transfers” - per Arkansas Tiger Talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnphan 6,050 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Great rule. As soon as we get a couple of transfers our way everyone will be all excited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 33,997 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Just now, auburnphan said: Great rule. As soon as we get a couple of transfers our way everyone will be all excited Yep... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aujeff11 6,243 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, auburnphan said: Great rule. As soon as we get a couple of transfers our way everyone will be all excited lol ”a couple” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keesler 5,924 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 17 hours ago, corchjay said: If the rule would have been in effect would OJ Howard have left Bama? Their fans say he was uber talented and underutilized. And he made it to the NFL. The NFL uses him now. Shame on Saban for not using his talent better. Dang corch, you sure you want to try to make a case of Saban not using his talent with OJ Howard as the example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustache eagle 2,410 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 16 hours ago, bigbird said: There should be a stipulation that if you lose a player via red-shirt rule the team can bring in a grad transfer and it not count towards the 25 hard limit. That way teams can remain balanced. If not, you'll rarely, if ever, keep a full roster if you have many transfers I like the 4 game rule because it gives players more power. I'd like for the team to have some ability to offset the losses. This sounds like a reasonable way to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keesler 5,924 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 2 hours ago, AlaskanFAN said: From GUS on newly available scholarships: “They'll continue throughout this semester on scholarship. Wishes he could give them to walk-ons, but if a player starts semester on scholarship, they cannot be handed over if that player transfers” - per Arkansas Tiger Talk Yep - Scholarship $$ was applied to the first semester tuition over a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Tiger 136 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I see where you are coming from, OP. It sucks about NCM. It sucks a lot. However, this can also help us with getting quality transfers in the future. Keep in mind that all teams are in this boat together. WDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AidiAU 1,270 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Bring on some OL transfers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corchjay 5,311 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, keesler said: Dang corch, you sure you want to try to make a case of Saban not using his talent with OJ Howard as the example? No trying to make a case against fan perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 16,640 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 4 hours ago, aujeff11 said: @Mikey, what are our attrition numbers this year? I know we are at 5 since start of fall camp. Five since August 1st. I don't count the punter Marshall in this, since he wasn't on scholarship. Tyler Carr, John Broussard, Jalen Harris, Nate Craig-Myers and Javaughn Myers. Not an unusual number at all. The only difference is that, whereas in the past some dropped out during pre-season camp, this time four waited until after the season started. There's no doubt that the new rule affected the timing, if not the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 16,640 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 4 hours ago, AlaskanFAN said: So far BS, JB, IS, JH, NCM and JM have either left, or will redshirt/grad transfer. 6 scholarships players, I believe. Who are scholarship players BS and IS? I try to keep a good list, so help please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan4Auburn 1,626 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 12 hours ago, Gowebb11 said: Colleges do protect themselves, by making millions and millions of dollars off of those athletes they invest in. That’s how they pay football coaches 7-10 million dollars a year. You and I seem to disagree about this particular rule, but one thing I think we would agree on is that CFB is headed in a bad direction. It has shifted from a really fun form of entertainment and source of pride, to a corporate enterprise with billions of dollars at stake. For me, I wish I could revert it all back about 20 years ago when it was a more pure product than today. WDE! I can locate plenty of organizations making millions with heads making 7 figures that are falling flat and in risk of bankruptcy, acquisition, etc. I disagreed about student athletes and regular students being the same. I actually like parts of the rule. I like that a player is not locked into a coach, I like that they can leave if the school changes coaches, I like that Freshmen get a chance to showcase what they can do, I like that players now wont waste a red shirt on one game late in the season because of an injury to someone that hurts depth. What I don't like is the inconsistencies on the thoughts and use of the rules. These kids left 4 games into a season for better opportunities and applauded for it. Terry Bowden left in the season cause of our jacked up administration and has been hated and labeled a quitter from that day. People use the excuse that coaches can leave when they want so why shouldn't players. Well coaches also have buy outs or owe universities money when they leave of their own accord. I have zero issue with them leaving and I hope they do well. My complaints would be this, you should of done it before the season started. Like Gus said that someone showed above. Those kids now get a free ride for the rest of the semester for doing nothing when players committed to Auburn for the remainder of the season could of used those scholarships. I 100% agree with you about the college game going in a bad direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan4Auburn 1,626 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 8 hours ago, AlaskanFAN said: From GUS on newly available scholarships: “They'll continue throughout this semester on scholarship. Wishes he could give them to walk-ons, but if a player starts semester on scholarship, they cannot be handed over if that player transfers” - per Arkansas Tiger Talk Love to see this rule changed if the player voluntarily removes himself from the team. Either transfer prior to the season, burn your red-shirt to keep your scholly, pay for the semester on your own, or stick it out and work scout team till the end of the season then move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFE12 9,191 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 1 minute ago, WFE12 said: I hope they made the best choice for themselves by staying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFE12 9,191 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Just now, McLoofus said: I hope they made the best choice for themselves by staying. Funny how last game they force fed Kam the ball...And Sal has caught like one pass since Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr82b4au 5,568 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, WFE12 said: Funny how last game they force fed Kam the ball...And Sal has caught like one pass since Washington. What happened to the last thread on this? It looks like it was deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFE12 9,191 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Just now, gr82b4au said: What happened to the last thread on this? It looks like it was deleted. Idk this is the only thread I remember on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr82b4au 5,568 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 1 minute ago, WFE12 said: Idk this is the only thread I remember on this. We have been talking about this all morning in another thread. Oh well. It looks like this rule is causing unintended consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selias 2,398 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, WFE12 said: Funny how last game they force fed Kam the ball...And Sal has caught like one pass since Washington. I had the same thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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