Transisition Delays Will Hurt the Country, Especially Regarding the Pandemic

[homersapien 11,393]

But, it's all about Trump.  **** the country.

 

Transition delay hampers Biden’s ramp-up of Covid-19 response

With coronavirus cases skyrocketing, the Biden team’s lack of access to crucial data could have serious consequences.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/10/transition-delay-bidens-ramp-covid-response-435872

 

Pandemic on course to overwhelm U.S. health system before Biden takes office

The country’s health care system is already buckling under the load of the resurgent outbreak that’s approaching 10 million cases nationwide.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/coronavirus-overwhelm-us-before-biden-435235

 

[homersapien 11,393]

The Worst Day of the Pandemic Since May

COVID-19 hospitalizations are now at an all-time high.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/11/pandemic-coronavirus-hospitalizations-new-record/617061

(free to all)

[McLoofus 35,182]

What can you even say about it at this point. 

And you've still got people who don't understand the basics of it. I almost prefer the crazies who know the facts and are just in denial about it. 

Much like with Trumpers, one of the most upsetting aspects of this year has been realizing just how many people are some awful combination of stupid and insane. 

[I_M4_AU 7,865]

Is this what Biden means about unifying the country and that people that didn’t vote for Biden are not the enemy, they’re fellow Americans?  

[homersapien 11,393]

17 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

Is this what Biden means about unifying the country and that people that didn’t vote for Biden are not the enemy, they’re fellow Americans?  

Excuse me? 

[I_M4_AU 7,865]

16 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Excuse me? 

You do not have to be excused, you have been relatively nice to the people who you assumed voted for Trump.

ETA: I was wrong,  after reading some of you recent posts, you have been as rude as most of the others.

[homersapien 11,393]

18 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

You do not have to be excused, you have been relatively nice to the people who you assumed voted for Trump.

ETA: I was wrong,  after reading some of you recent posts, you have been as rude as most of the others.

Thanks for explaining your post which made no sense.  At all.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

19 hours ago, homersapien said:

But, it's all about Trump.  **** the country.

 

Transition delay hampers Biden’s ramp-up of Covid-19 response

With coronavirus cases skyrocketing, the Biden team’s lack of access to crucial data could have serious consequences.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/10/transition-delay-bidens-ramp-covid-response-435872

 

Pandemic on course to overwhelm U.S. health system before Biden takes office

The country’s health care system is already buckling under the load of the resurgent outbreak that’s approaching 10 million cases nationwide.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/coronavirus-overwhelm-us-before-biden-435235

 

Trump doesn't care.  He cares about himself - the rest of the country can die in a fire.

[homersapien 11,393]

6 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

Trump doesn't care.  He cares about himself - the rest of the country can die in a fire.

The fact that 40 something percent of the country has yet to see that is the most depressing thing about this election.  

[DKW 86 7,431]

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/13/gore-concedes-presidential-election-to-bush-dec-13-2000-287285
 

Just a reminder. Gore didn’t concede until 12-13-20. We will be fine.

For all the Sturm und Drang out there, this will pass and no one will suffer. 
Gore drug the country thru the grinder until mid December or so and now, no one even remembers it. 

[savorytiger 182]

2 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/13/gore-concedes-presidential-election-to-bush-dec-13-2000-287285
 

Just a reminder. Gore didn’t concede until 12-13-20. We will be fine.

For all the Sturm und Drang out there, this will pass and no one will suffer. 
Gore drug the country thru the grinder until mid December or so and now, no one even remembers it. 

Was Gore yelling that the Republicans were attempting to steal the election the entire time?

[DKW 86 7,431]

10 minutes ago, savorytiger said:

Was Gore yelling that the Republicans were attempting to steal the election the entire time?

Pretty much or not so much, Gore had his lawyers stopping the counts and challenging the votes of over seas military members etc. 

Gore said that they were stealing the Election by not counting every legal vote AND then tried to stop the counting of every legal vote. 

It is good to note here that at no point did Gore ever get enough votes to get in the lead. They found other ballots in other counties in Florida, and Gore wanted those not counted. It got very messy and very sad.

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/12/666812854/the-florida-recount-of-2000-a-nightmare-that-goes-on-haunting

https://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/the-florida-recount-of-2000/

Q: When the votes were recounted in Florida, who won the 2000 presidential election?

A: Nobody can say for sure who might have won. A full, official recount of all votes statewide could have gone either way, but one was never conducted.

 

FULL ANSWER

According to a massive months-long study commissioned by eight news organizations in 2001, George W. Bush probably still would have won even if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a limited statewide recount to go forward as ordered by Florida’s highest court.

Bush also probably would have won had the state conducted the limited recount of only four heavily Democratic counties that Al Gore asked for, the study found.

On the other hand, the study also found that Gore probably would have won, by a range of 42 to 171 votes out of 6 million cast, had there been a broad recount of all disputed ballots statewide. However, Gore never asked for such a recount.

[McLoofus 35,182]

17 minutes ago, savorytiger said:

Was Gore yelling that the Republicans were attempting to steal the election the entire time?

Also, was Al Gore a sitting POTUS with the DOJ in his pocket, and the will and way to purge unfriendlies in the Pentagon?

 

[savorytiger 182]

6 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Pretty much. Gore had his lawyers stopping the counts and challenging the votes of over seas military members etc. 

Gore said that they were stealing the Election by not counting every legal vote AND then tried to stop the counting of every legal vote. 

It is good to note here that at no point did Gore ever get enough votes to get in the lead. They found other ballots in other counties in Florida, and Gore wanted those not counted. It got very messy and very sad.

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/12/666812854/the-florida-recount-of-2000-a-nightmare-that-goes-on-haunting

https://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/the-florida-recount-of-2000/

Q: When the votes were recounted in Florida, who won the 2000 presidential election?

A: Nobody can say for sure who might have won. A full, official recount of all votes statewide could have gone either way, but one was never conducted.

 

FULL ANSWER

According to a massive months-long study commissioned by eight news organizations in 2001, George W. Bush probably still would have won even if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a limited statewide recount to go forward as ordered by Florida’s highest court.

Bush also probably would have won had the state conducted the limited recount of only four heavily Democratic counties that Al Gore asked for, the study found.

On the other hand, the study also found that Gore probably would have won, by a range of 42 to 171 votes out of 6 million cast, had there been a broad recount of all disputed ballots statewide. However, Gore never asked for such a recount.

I don't think your links really support what you're saying. The Republicans rejected any notion of a recount, while the Democrats were asking for a recount of counties that went to them. I don't see anything that refers to challenging the votes of military members.

Most importantly, I don't see anything that indicates Gore called the election a fraud.

[DKW 86 7,431]

11 hours ago, savorytiger said:

I don't think your links really support what you're saying. The Republicans rejected any notion of a recount, while the Democrats were asking for a recount of counties that went to them. I don't see anything that refers to challenging the votes of military members.

Most importantly, I don't see anything that indicates Gore called the election a fraud.

Gore fought 35 plus days with zero proof and zero chance of ever winning. He never had the lead. He wanted only the counties beneficial to him counted, never wanted a full recount. Just what might benefit him, even though it did not in the end. Military ballot repression was of course one way to do this. Links to come. 

[savorytiger 182]

1 hour ago, DKW 86 said:

Gore fought 35 plus days with zero proof and zero chance of ever winning. He never had the lead. He wanted only the counties beneficial to him counted, never wanted a full recount. Just what might benefit him, even though it did not in the end. Military ballot repression was of course one way to do this. Links to come. 

The difference in FL after initial machine recounts was 327. The article you linked (and quoted) stated that had they done a recount of the entire state, Gore may have won. He obviously had a chance of winning. "Never had the lead" is a meaningless statement. If Pennsylvania allowed counting of mail in ballots before election day, Trump would have never had a lead there either. The "lead" can be manipulated just by changing the ordering that ballots are counted.

A manual recount of specific counties was allowed by Florida law at the time and makes sense (the minimum number of counties you can ask for in a recount was 3) because it's an extremely slow process. That Gore's team chose counties that they believed would help them is expected. It's up to Bush's team to ask for recounts in counties that they believe favor them (and they did, gaining 185 votes from Polk, Hamilton, Seminole, and Taylor Counties).

Speaking of Bush's team, I looked into the military ballots issue. It looked like the Democrats looked into disqualifying flawed military ballots and their attempt was portrayed as an antimilitary action by the Republicans (because they're better at messaging). The thing is, Republicans were doing the exact same thing at the time:  https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/us/examining-the-vote-how-bush-took-florida-mining-the-overseas-absentee-vote.html

Quote

With the presidency hanging on the outcome in Florida, the Bush team quickly grasped that the best hope of ensuring victory was the trove of ballots still arriving in the mail from Florida residents living abroad. Over the next 18 days, the Republicans mounted a legal and public relations campaign to persuade canvassing boards in Bush strongholds to waive the state's election laws when counting overseas absentee ballots.

Their goal was simple: to count the maximum number of overseas ballots in counties won by Mr. Bush, particularly those with a high concentration of military voters, while seeking to disqualify overseas ballots in counties won by Vice President Al Gore.

A six-month investigation by The New York Times of this chapter in the closest presidential election in modern American history shows that the Republican effort had a decided impact. Under intense pressure from the Republicans, Florida officials accepted hundreds of overseas absentee ballots that failed to comply with state laws.

Seems like something Mr. "both sides are the same" should have caught.

[homersapien 11,393]

The Death Toll of Donald Trump’s Delay Tactics

Tens of thousands may die between now and President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration.

Conor Friedersdorf

 

President Donald Trump’s refusal to concede coincides with an especially bad moment in the course of the pandemic. COVID-19 cases are spiking all over the United States. Almost 62,000 Americans were hospitalized on Tuesday alone. Hospitals are quickly running out of space for new patients. Tens of thousands may die between now and President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration.

A newly announced medical breakthrough could help stop this American carnage: Preliminary results from Pfizer’s vaccine trial suggest that it is more than 90 percent effective. If those results hold, tens of millions of Americans could be inoculated against the virus as soon as early 2021. Other vaccines may prove effective too. But taking full advantage of this development requires careful planning, as large-scale vaccination campaigns present tremendous logistical challenges.

Trump ought to be working closely with his successor’s transition team, particularly the men and women chosen to coordinate Biden’s pandemic response, because even a short delay in a vaccine’s rollout could cost tens of thousands of lives. Instead, he spends his days tweeting dubious stories about alleged voter fraud.

“Signing the paperwork when a new president is elected triggers the release of millions of dollars in transition funding and allows an incoming administration access to current government officials,” NBC explains.

“Trump’s refusal to concede the election means that officials at the Food and Drug Administration, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the NIH cannot legally speak with Biden’s advisers about the progress of vaccine development, plans for distributing an eventual shot, or testing capacity,” Politico reports.

Every member of Congress ought to demand that Trump immediately start cooperating with Biden so that the president-elect is as prepared as possible on Inauguration Day.

But, according to reporting by CNN’s Jake Tapper, who spoke with Republicans “on both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue” about Trump’s failure to concede, “what they say is, no one out there should worry that our democracy is in actual jeopardy. They say this is all part of walking President Trump through this process emotionally and that they assume that while he may never concede, he will leave … But they say it on background because they don't want to upset President Trump, and they don't want to get death threats from his supporters.”

Trump’s performative intransigence may or may not hurt American democracy in the long run, but in the short run, it risks thousands of excess COVID-19 deaths, with the potential toll increasing the longer his tantrum continues. That is the threat that ought to worry any Republican with any ability to pressure the president to start helping the pandemic-stricken country that is hostage to his self-pity.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/the-death-toll-of-donald-trumps-delay-tactics/617096/

[DKW 86 7,431]

10 hours ago, savorytiger said:

The difference in FL after initial machine recounts was 327. The article you linked (and quoted) stated that had they done a recount of the entire state, Gore may have won. He obviously had a chance of winning. "Never had the lead" is a meaningless statement. If Pennsylvania allowed counting of mail in ballots before election day, Trump would have never had a lead there either. The "lead" can be manipulated just by changing the ordering that ballots are counted.

A manual recount of specific counties was allowed by Florida law at the time and makes sense (the minimum number of counties you can ask for in a recount was 3) because it's an extremely slow process. That Gore's team chose counties that they believed would help them is expected. It's up to Bush's team to ask for recounts in counties that they believe favor them (and they did, gaining 185 votes from Polk, Hamilton, Seminole, and Taylor Counties).

Speaking of Bush's team, I looked into the military ballots issue. It looked like the Democrats looked into disqualifying flawed military ballots and their attempt was portrayed as an antimilitary action by the Republicans (because they're better at messaging). The thing is, Republicans were doing the exact same thing at the time:  https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/us/examining-the-vote-how-bush-took-florida-mining-the-overseas-absentee-vote.html

Seems like something Mr. "both sides are the same" should have caught.

There is a lot of BS there... 

Five hundred thirty-seven votes. https://www.history.com/news/2000-election-bush-gore-votes-supreme-court

The Article I linked, I guess you missed it, stated plainly that GORE MIGHT HAVE INDEED WON...IF HE HAD THE BALLS TO ASK FOR A FULL RECOUNT. He did not have the balls to do it however. He was such a spineless creature he and David Boies wanted ONLY THE COUNTIES IN WHICH GORE DID WELL to be recounted. If that doesnt define spineless than nothing ever will. The author was taking a shot at Gore for not having the balls to ask for a full recount. I guess you missed the context there. 

Using the specific county rule is what likely cost Gore the Election, and was the Author's point. 

As for the military ballots, wrong again (you are such a roll!) The challenges were broadcast on TV and the challenges were for basically any reason Boies could think up. Look, You could probably pick apart any ballot in any venue anywhere in the nation. Was it a good faith ballot cast by a citizen? possibly even overseas? Could those normally legal ballots be then challenged because they got in late or werent stamped by the right postal entities? had some small, inane inaccuracy in address or name, or whatever else they threw against the wall? Sure. if you wanted to take an overly complicated issue and pick it apart then yes, you could then throw out a good number of all absentee or mailed in ballots. Is that a good for America thing? I doubt that. 

 

In the 36 days that followed, Americans learned Gore had won the popular vote by 543,895 votes. But it's winning the Electoral College that counts. As accusations of fraud and voter suppression, calls for recounts and the filing of lawsuits ensued, the terms “hanging chads,” “dimpled chads” and “pregnant chads” became part of the lexicon.

Andrew E. Busch, professor of government at Claremont McKenna College and co-author of The Perfect Tie: The True Story of the 2000 Presidential Election, says as votes were counted and Bush’s lead grew, TV networks retracted their premature call of Gore, instead giving the state to Bush.

“When the lead shrank to about 2,000 votes in the early hours of the morning, TV reversed again, rescinded the call for Bush, and declared Florida as yet undetermined,” he says. “The initial problem was failure of the exit polls, for which they later overcompensated.”

The "Gore Won" Crowd said as recently as this year on Maher's show that "Gore was the winner and we all knew it." Only one thing, no matter how many times they counted, or split hairs or redefined the already redefined Gore never got the lead. But is is now Urban Legend that he did. The fact is that he didnt. 

"Gore Won 2000" Google Search with 148,000,000 returns

148M Returns...Think on the Urban Legend of that Non-Fact...

Prediction: in 5 years the Google Search of "Trump Won 2020" will be about the same. 

Oh yea, one more thing to laugh at: Trump wont concede because he is so evil....

Hillary Clinton: Biden should never concede 4.8M Returns on this one Since August 26.

So, is it okay for Biden to have never conceded if the shoe were on the other foot? Apparently. Look, I hate the douchebag too, but some of the Dems have just gone infantile about this. 

 

Everybody, go get a beer and do the Holidays with the Family. This is over and we should just move on. 
Trump will leave the WH walking out on his own or toe-first with a military escort.

[TexasTiger 12,961]

On 11/12/2020 at 10:01 AM, DKW 86 said:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/13/gore-concedes-presidential-election-to-bush-dec-13-2000-287285
 

Just a reminder. Gore didn’t concede until 12-13-20. We will be fine.

For all the Sturm und Drang out there, this will pass and no one will suffer. 
Gore drug the country thru the grinder until mid December or so and now, no one even remembers it. 

Your next dumb take.

[DKW 86 7,431]

1 minute ago, TexasTiger said:

Your next dumb factual take.

I am proud to say that my takes are for the most part factual. Dumb is in the eye of the beholder I guess...

[savorytiger 182]

2 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

There is a lot of BS there... 

Five hundred thirty-seven votes. https://www.history.com/news/2000-election-bush-gore-votes-supreme-court

The Article I linked, I guess you missed it, stated plainly that GORE MIGHT HAVE INDEED WON...IF HE HAD THE BALLS TO ASK FOR A FULL RECOUNT. He did not have the balls to do it however. He was such a spineless creature he and David Boies wanted ONLY THE COUNTIES IN WHICH GORE DID WELL to be recounted. If that doesnt define spineless than nothing ever will. The author was taking a shot at Gore for not having the balls to ask for a full recount. I guess you missed the context there. 

Using the specific county rule is what likely cost Gore the Election, and was the Author's point. 

As for the military ballots, wrong again (you are such a roll!) The challenges were broadcast on TV and the challenges were for basically any reason Boies could think up. Look, You could probably pick apart any ballot in any venue anywhere in the nation. Was it a good faith ballot cast by a citizen? possibly even overseas? Could those normally legal ballots be then challenged because they got in late or werent stamped by the right postal entities? had some small, inane inaccuracy in address or name, or whatever else they threw against the wall? Sure. if you wanted to take an overly complicated issue and pick it apart then yes, you could then throw out a good number of all absentee or mailed in ballots. Is that a good for America thing? I doubt that. 

 

In the 36 days that followed, Americans learned Gore had won the popular vote by 543,895 votes. But it's winning the Electoral College that counts. As accusations of fraud and voter suppression, calls for recounts and the filing of lawsuits ensued, the terms “hanging chads,” “dimpled chads” and “pregnant chads” became part of the lexicon.

Andrew E. Busch, professor of government at Claremont McKenna College and co-author of The Perfect Tie: The True Story of the 2000 Presidential Election, says as votes were counted and Bush’s lead grew, TV networks retracted their premature call of Gore, instead giving the state to Bush.

“When the lead shrank to about 2,000 votes in the early hours of the morning, TV reversed again, rescinded the call for Bush, and declared Florida as yet undetermined,” he says. “The initial problem was failure of the exit polls, for which they later overcompensated.”

The "Gore Won" Crowd said as recently as this year on Maher's show that "Gore was the winner and we all knew it." Only one thing, no matter how many times they counted, or split hairs or redefined the already redefined Gore never got the lead. But is is now Urban Legend that he did. The fact is that he didnt. 

"Gore Won 2000" Google Search with 148,000,000 returns

148M Returns...Think on the Urban Legend of that Non-Fact...

Prediction: in 5 years the Google Search of "Trump Won 2020" will be about the same. 

Oh yea, one more thing to laugh at: Trump wont concede because he is so evil....

Hillary Clinton: Biden should never concede 4.8M Returns on this one Since August 26.

So, is it okay for Biden to have never conceded if the shoe were on the other foot? Apparently. Look, I hate the douchebag too, but some of the Dems have just gone infantile about this. 

 

Everybody, go get a beer and do the Holidays with the Family. This is over and we should just move on. 
Trump will leave the WH walking out on his own or toe-first with a military escort.

1) Please paste as plain text. Having random blobs of white in your post makes it annoying to read.

2) "The difference in FL after initial machine recounts was 327": https://old.post-gazette.com/election/20001217pztimeline.asp. The 527 number was reached later. The 327 number matters as that was the reality before much of the fight in court happened. Pay attention to the details before calling BS.

3) I talked about the recount counties pick already, either address what I wrote or stop harping about it. Democrats picked counties they wanted recounted, Republicans picked theirs and actually got numbers to go to their advantage. No one was asking for a manual recount of the entire state. 

4) Again, both sides were challenging the authenticity of ballots. You say "wrong again" without actually addressing what I wrote.

5) The problem with comparing the Gore won crowd with what Trumpers might look like in 5 years is that Gore didn't actively go around proclaiming that he'd won and that the Bush campaign was stealing the election. That's the entire point we're been getting at and you seem to be ignoring. There could be 50 million Americans out there who completely lost trust in the election system, and that's awful for all of us.

6) You go off trying to boost your argument using...google search results? And all that to try to claim that because Hilary said Biden shouldn't concede, we should be ok with Trump ACTUALLY not conceding while loudly proclaiming that the election was a fraud?  Justifying real world actions with make believe is terrible logic.

EDIT: removed some of my comments since this isn't smack talk. Just annoyed at DKW for being r/iamverysmart. 

[DKW 86 7,431]

7 hours ago, savorytiger said:

1) Please paste as plain text. Having random blobs of white in your post makes it annoying to read.

2) "The difference in FL after initial machine recounts was 327": https://old.post-gazette.com/election/20001217pztimeline.asp. The 527 number was reached later. The 327 number matters as that was the reality before much of the fight in court happened. Pay attention to the details before calling BS.

3) I talked about the recount counties pick already, either address what I wrote or stop harping about it. Democrats picked counties they wanted recounted, Republicans picked theirs and actually got numbers to go to their advantage. No one was asking for a manual recount of the entire state. 

4) Again, both sides were challenging the authenticity of ballots. You say "wrong again" without actually addressing what I wrote.

5) The problem with comparing the Gore won crowd with what Trumpers might look like in 5 years is that Gore didn't actively go around proclaiming that he'd won and that the Bush campaign was stealing the election. That's the entire point we're been getting at and you seem to be ignoring. There could be 50 million Americans out there who completely lost trust in the election system, and that's awful for all of us.

6) You go off trying to boost your argument using...google search results? And all that to try to claim that because Hilary said Biden shouldn't concede, we should be ok with Trump ACTUALLY not conceding while loudly proclaiming that the election was a fraud?  Justifying real world actions with make believe is terrible logic.

EDIT: removed some of my comments since this isn't smack talk. Just annoyed at DKW for being r/iamverysmart. 

One of the POINTs in the Article was that IF Gore had manned up and asked for the whole state...HE MIGHT HAVE WON. He, of course, wouldnt ever do that, "Mr Take Illegal Donations from a Real Foreign Power Trying to Control Our Elections but then Blames it On "Having No Controlling Legal Authority." CHINESE!!!!! CHINESE!!!!! CHINESE!!!!

If he had manned up he might have won, but no, he chose only supposedly friendly counties and kept losing even more ground to Bush.

1) I am trying to clam everyone down here. Gore did call it everything in the book back then and then failed to make his case for the truth. He wasted 36 days of our lives over nothing. Trump has so far gone less than two weeks and I dont think it will last too much longer, but with DJT, who knows. All I am saying is lighten up Francis. We have done this before and lived thru it. It is not the end of the world, unless of course you are so f'in immature that you are "triggered" by the mere mention of Trump's name. 

Hated the man for 35+ years. He has not affected me in any way. He has been a net negative on this country for almost 4 decades.

As for the 230K-250K that are dead from the pandemic? Maybe, just maybe,  Rev Wright is correct. Maybe dropping 26K bombs/year on third world civilians have come home to roost. 

Because like VD: Karma is for everybody.

[jj3jordan 2,056]

Several organizations conducted recounts after the courts ruled that recounts had to be finished by a certain date. None of them had Gore winning. Even in all the counties.  
Also in my county Okaloosa, Bush LOST 1500 votes in the hand recount because the ballots had the Bush circle colored in and Bush’s name written into the “write-in” spot at the bottom without the circle colored in. The democrats had these thrown out as over votes even though it was clear who the voter chose. Meanwhile they were claiming chads with no markings at all were for Gore.

[DKW 86 7,431]

10 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

Several organizations conducted recounts after the courts ruled that recounts had to be finished by a certain date. None of them had Gore winning. Even in all the counties.  
Also in my county Okaloosa, Bush LOST 1500 votes in the hand recount because the ballots had the Bush circle colored in and Bush’s name written into the “write-in” spot at the bottom without the circle colored in. The democrats had these thrown out as over votes even though it was clear who the voter chose. Meanwhile they were claiming chads with no markings at all were for Gore.

Brother, as you will learn, the fastest way to a thumbs down is facts that contradict the narrative. Gore, even within filtered recounts never won the election vote total. NEVER. But still you will have millions that still believe he won even though he did not. Trumpeters are just Second Generation Goreaphiles. 

[Grumps 3,704]

So the point of this thread is that if anything bad happens with COVID after Biden takes office then it's all Trump's fault. Shocker!

I still can't get over how Trump ruined the awesome economy he inherited from Obama!

These new unity threads are making me feel so much better!