Intresting times in Cuba...

[SaturdayGT 719]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/communist-cuba-begins-cracking-down-on-freedom-protesters-internet-and-cell-service-cut?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro&fbclid=IwAR1KA4_-OlrxKTsa2RFiasvpiPUTLP0HahW3ZqeXA7CZr7aWzpdUp96c-mE

 

I wonder how things will turn out...

[auburn41 492]

16 minutes ago, SaturdayGT said:

I wonder how things will turn out...

Why should we care about the Cuban people's FREEDOM?  They get FREE healthcare don't they?😳

[Bottomfeeder 244]

We're not far from having our own Lego problems.

 

Edited July 13, 2021 by Bottomfeeder

[DKW 86 7,423]

The Cuban Govt will suppress this viciously as we sit on our asses doing nothing. The one country we SHOULD do regime change in, is the one country we wont. 

[Bottomfeeder 244]

Since we have leftist in positions of authority, I expect nothing less from them.

[SaturdayGT 719]

1 hour ago, DKW 86 said:

The Cuban Govt will suppress this viciously as we sit on our asses doing nothing. The one country we SHOULD do regime change in, is the one country we wont. 

  I dont know....If its true that the Cuban population in Miami has been voting more Republican, it might be good strategically for Biden and the Democrats to do something like that. It would satisfy a good chunk of the population in a swing state and might secure it for the Democrats for many elections to come. ...... I mean not that they care anything about the Cuban people, or anything else that isnt beneficial to  securing power for themselves lol...but yeah.....

[Bottomfeeder 244]

If they stay on pace, we're looking at some real problems.

https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-biden-administration-deems-censorship-applicable-to-private-speech

[tomcat 569]

Wow….the efforts of the United States in Cuba is checkered at best. From initial support of Castro to the Bay of Pigs and it got no better. Years of sanctions accomplished nothing. Obama’s olive branch gave us Havana syndrome among embassy workers. Perhaps…just perhaps, the people of Cuba are ready for real change. Tough call, but to make it happen requires more than a half hearted, passive aggressive effort form the United States.

[SLAG-91 1,483]

Sooo...

Mexico/Central America immigrants = c'mon in.

Cuban/Haitian immigrants? Sorry, no more room.

A head-scratcher, this is.

🤔

It's not like we haven't taken in folks from other countries that were in upheaval (Syria, anyone?)

To paraphrase a famous Cuban, Desi Arnaz, "All right, Joey, start 'splaining."

[SaturdayGT 719]

8 hours ago, SLAG-91 said:

Sooo...

Mexico/Central America immigrants = c'mon in.

Cuban/Haitian immigrants? Sorry, no more room.

A head-scratcher, this is.

🤔

It's not like we haven't taken in folks from other countries that were in upheaval (Syria, anyone?)

To paraphrase a famous Cuban, Desi Arnaz, "All right, Joey, start 'splaining."

Wow, thats insane!

[bigbird 60,525]

42 minutes ago, SaturdayGT said:

Wow, thats insane!

I believe the term is Xenophobic or at least it was.

[SaturdayGT 719]

37 minutes ago, bigbird said:

I believe the term is Xenophobic or at least it was.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/10/02/most-cuban-american-voters-identify-as-republican-in-2020/

This might explain everything....

[DKW 86 7,423]

11 hours ago, SLAG-91 said:

Sooo...

Mexico/Central America immigrants = c'mon in.

Cuban/Haitian immigrants? Sorry, no more room.

A head-scratcher, this is.

🤔

It's not like we haven't taken in folks from other countries that were in upheaval (Syria, anyone?)

To paraphrase a famous Cuban, Desi Arnaz, "All right, Joey, start 'splaining."

So 

1 hour ago, SaturdayGT said:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/10/02/most-cuban-american-voters-identify-as-republican-in-2020/

This might explain everything....

So we now know that compassion was never the real reason for all the border drama. KH has told everyone we cannot take them, screw them. And now the refugees from Communist Cuba and the political Assassination in Haiti are told no, WTF? Where is all this compassion that was screamed at us for years? The answer is that no one in DC gives a s***.

Edited July 14, 2021 by DKW 86

[SLAG-91 1,483]

Doubling down on their stance, and I'll add here that Mayorkas was born in...drumroll, please...

Havana, Cuba...1959, and his family fled to, oh, where did they go...wait, the UNITED STATES... after Batista was overthrown.

Not going to go down the policy approach to Cuba other than to say that it needs (and needed) to be more carrot (show them what a more free environment looks like) and less stick (relax sanctions).

This seems almost vindicative.

[DKW 86 7,423]

1 hour ago, SLAG-91 said:

Doubling down on their stance, and I'll add here that Mayorkas was born in...drumroll, please...

Havana, Cuba...1959, and his family fled to, oh, where did they go...wait, the UNITED STATES... after Batista was overthrown.

Not going to go down the policy approach to Cuba other than to say that it needs (and needed) to be more carrot (show them what a more free environment looks like) and less stick (relax sanctions).

This seems almost vindicative.

What do you give a man so that he can keep his own people in misery?  How much money or power or whatever do you have to offer a man before he betrays his own people and shows the entire world what a f'in POS he is? On the other hand, we now have the next MCU Arch-Villian....

And to all of you that LECTURED everyone ad nauseum about "kids in cages" and etc., we now know it was all just meaningless BS. You must be so proud of all that compassion that you worked so hard to get into the WH. That these poor people risking death for Freedom we do not even think about are being told FU! loudly and proudly by the State Dept. Offered no help at all. I know some of you sycophantic cold heartless  a**holes here will OF COURSE defend the indefensible, like you always do. This time just remember that these are REAL PEOPLE. Mayorkas has betrayed his own people. **** him.

Edited July 15, 2021 by DKW 86

[bigbird 60,525]

"Allow me to be clear, if you take to the sea, you will not come to the United States … Again, I repeat, do not risk your life attempting to enter the United States illegally. You will not come to the United States."

 

Does this apply to large rivers too? Asking for a friend...

 

[DKW 86 7,423]

18 minutes ago, bigbird said:

"Allow me to be clear, if you take to the sea, you will not come to the United States … Again, I repeat, do not risk your life attempting to enter the United States illegally. You will not come to the United States."

Does this apply to large rivers too? Asking for a friend...

Is this not the funniest thing you ever heard? 

Mexican or Central American Refugees: "We should welcome them in the country" until they take control of Immigration, then: F'em.
Cubans and Haitian Refugess: Just F'em straightup. They dont even serve up the BS we regularly get.

Edited July 15, 2021 by DKW 86

[DKW 86 7,423]

On 7/13/2021 at 7:48 AM, SaturdayGT said:

  I dont know....If its true that the Cuban population in Miami has been voting more Republican, it might be good strategically for Biden and the Democrats to do something like that. It would satisfy a good chunk of the population in a swing state and might secure it for the Democrats for many elections to come. ...... I mean not that they care anything about the Cuban people, or anything else that isnt beneficial to  securing power for themselves lol...but yeah.....

You see how this works? Shut out, not even provable refugees will be allowed.

[SaturdayGT 719]

25 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

You see how this works? Shut out, not even provable refugees will be allowed.

Has there been any reasoning given in regards to this at all? ....Not that it matters I guess, but the BS they give might be interesting lol

[steeleagle 2,945]

16 minutes ago, SaturdayGT said:

Has there been any reasoning given in regards to this at all? ....Not that it matters I guess, but the BS they give might be interesting lol

I'm wanting reasons for it too. Is it bc of Covid? I hope that journalists are asking Psaki for reasons why Majorka and the WH are stopping Cuban/Haitian refugees from trying to come here, but anyone coming from C. America and S. America are being processed as a humanitarian need.

[SaltyTiger 7,803]

33 minutes ago, SaturdayGT said:

Not that it matters I guess, but the BS they give might be interesting lol

White Christian racist infiltrated the administration and influenced the decision??

[DKW 86 7,423]

[bigbird 60,525]

On 7/14/2021 at 8:06 AM, bigbird said:

I believe the term is Xenophobic or at least it was.

I agree, @icanthearyou. It's crazy how unequal the application of that phrase is.

[bigbird 60,525]

5 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Pushing the Floridian Cubans even more towards the right is not a good strategy for the democratic leadership.

[homersapien 11,373]

It’s time for progressives and conservatives to put the Cuba canards aside

Opinion by

Eugene Robinson

Columnist

July 15, 2021|Updated yesterday at 4:01 p.m. EDT

 

 

As protestors take to the streets in Cuba, defying a violent government crackdown, Americans across the political spectrum have a chance to break with old canards about the country. Progressives should understand that there is nothing remotely “progressive” about the thuggish, oppressive, neo-Stalinist government of Cuba. And conservatives should understand that six decades of embargoes, sanctions and unrelenting animosity have been an utter, dismal, counterproductive failure.

It is long past time to try something different: We need to tear down the metaphorical wall that bisects the Florida Straits and permit all manner of sustained engagement. Standing in solidarity with the Cuban people and supporting their aspirations would be much more terrifying to Cuban leader Miguel Díaz-Canel than any new punitive measures we might impose.

The protests that erupted Sunday in cities and towns across the island have no antecedent in the communist era. The nearest comparison was a violent demonstration that took place in central Havana in 1994, during what the regime calls the “special period” — the years, following the collapse of the Soviet Union, when generous subsidies from Moscow ended and Cuba suffered crippling shortages of just about everything, especially food.

 

today, once again, there is widespread and desperate privation, due to the effects of the covid-19 pandemic and a set of gratuitously cruel new sanctions imposed by the Trump administration. But Sunday’s protests were more numerous, more geographically dispersed and, most notably, were overtly political. One group of demonstrators even stood outside the headquarters of the Communist Party of Cuba and chanted: “Cuba is not yours!”

It is hard to overstate how much courage it took to challenge the regime so brazenly. The protesters knew they would surely face consequences that could include loss of employment, denial of housing, even years in prison. We should do what we can to ensure their sacrifice is not in vain.

I got to know Cuba in the early 2000s while making 10 extended trips there to research a book. Every time I went to the island, I felt more affection and admiration for the Cuban people — and a deeper loathing for the government that stunts and deforms their lives.

Yes, the regime under founding dictator Fidel Castro produced impressive gains in education, resulting in near-universal literacy. And the country trained a surplus of doctors and developed a health system that produces first-world results on indices such as infant mortality — though some of those statistics may be manipulated.

But with a few exceptions, the schools and hospitals I visited were crumbling. Much of the housing stock was crumbling, too, and horribly overcrowded. I admired the egalitarian ethos — the pride people felt in the fact that a highly trained medical doctor could live in a grim Soviet-style apartment complex next door to a garbage collector. But the elite “heroes of the revolution” I got to know, the famous athletes and musicians, lived in nice suburban-style houses and had permits allowing them to privately own cars, saving them the trouble of waiting hours for overcrowded buses that might or might not ever arrive. As George Orwell would have observed, some Cubans are more equal than others.

There is no freedom of expression in Cuba. There is no freedom of the press. There is no freedom of assembly. There are no competing political parties. The Cuban system has no resemblance to democratic socialism, because there is nothing remotely democratic about it. And Afro-Cubans showed me that racism, while diminished from the pre-revolution era, still warps Cuban society.

So how should the Biden administration proceed at this pivotal moment? First, it should do no harm. Like the Castro brothers before him, Díaz-Canel blames all of Cuba’s woes — and the “need” for censorship and other repressions — on the trade embargo and other hostile actions by the United States. Most of the anti-regime Cubans I know oppose the embargo, too. I fear that ratcheting up the pressure right now, as hard-liners advocate, would be more likely to inflame pro-government nationalist sentiment than to topple the regime.

Biden should make clear that the United States stands with the Cuban people, supports their yearning for freedom, and is ready to help with the coronavirus vaccines and food assistance. He should rescind the absurd Trump-era designation of Cuba as a state sponsor of terrorism, which it is not. And if pro-democracy groups in Cuba believe it is a good idea, he should look into providing the island with Internet access, which the regime limits — and this week cut off — as an instrument of control.

Longer-term, U.S. policy should be to end the travel and trade embargoes and flood Cuba with American tourists, entrepreneurs and ideas. Trying to starve the Cuban regime into submission hasn’t worked. Flooding it with freedom just might.

------------------------------------------------------------

 

The government of Cuba's excuse for their problems is the embargo. Let's take away that excuse.