A President Betrayed by Bureaucrats: Scott Atlas’s Masterpiece on the Covid Disaster

[AUFAN78 3,911]

Obviously there are two sides to a story, but this summary is riveting.

It was also Atlas’s first full experience in dealing with deep-state machinations. It was this way throughout the lockdown period, a machinery in place to implement, encourage, and enforce endless restrictions but no one person in particular was there to take responsibility for the policies or the outcomes, even as the ostensible head of state (Trump) was on record both publicly and privately opposing the policies that no one could seem to stop. 

As an example of this, Atlas tells the story of bringing some massively important scientists to the White House to speak with Trump: Martin Kulldorff, Jay Bhattacharya, Joseph Ladapo, and Cody Meissner. People around the president thought the idea was great. But somehow the meeting kept being delayed. Again and again. When it finally went ahead, the schedulers only allowed for 5 minutes. But once they met with Trump himself, the president had other ideas and prolonged the meeting for an hour and a half, asking the scientists all kinds of questions about viruses, policy, the initial lockdowns, the risks to individuals, and so on. 

The president was so impressed with their views and knowledge – what a dramatic change that must have been for him – that he invited filming to be done plus pictures to be taken. He wanted to make it a big public splash. It never happened. Literally. White House press somehow got the message that this meeting never happened. The first anyone will have known about it other than White House employees is from Atlas’s book. 

Two months later, Atlas was instrumental in bringing in not only two of those scientists but also the famed Sunetra Gupta of Oxford. They met with the HHS secretary but this meeting too was buried in the press. No dissent was allowed. The bureaucrats were in charge, regardless of the wishes of the president. 

https://brownstone.org/articles/a-president-betrayed-by-bureaucrats-scott-atlass-masterpiece-on-the-covid-disaster/

[CoffeeTiger 5,121]

I read the whole article:

 

That article/book summary really makes Trump come off a super incompetent and easily misled and influenced. (i can dig it)

It's basically saying that Trump was misled by Fauci, that Fauci &Co basically forced Trump to do the lockdowns and to do and say things that Trump didn't really want to do or to say, and that when the "expert" who wrote this book came in to the white house and apparently gave Trump the "true" information and brought in different "real" experts, then the "media" deep state" even Trumps own whitehouse(?)  never allowed that information to be released to the public and apparently Trump wasn't allowed to mention or act on this new information that the new experts that this author had brought to him?  

 

The article and book writer are obviously pro-Trump so they don't say any of this outright, but the accusations they make in the article, if put together, shows a president who had no free will of his own and was led around like a puppet (similar to the accusations Conservatives make against Biden) by "the deep state" into ruining the economy and mishandling Covid against his will and better judgement. ... and how the evil media was so mean to Trump 

 

The other side of the article is typical Conservative Covid talk....lockdowns bad, covid testing bad, masks bad, vaccines bad, etc.  Talks a lot about what was done "wrong" to combat covid and how it ruined America and Trump, but doesn't really give any mention of what the "right" thing to do was aside from live life as normal and sanitize nursing homes more. no mention of covid deaths or results of mass sickness...all that matters is that the economy stays humming along, nobody misses work, and corporations don't have to deal with decreased profits. 

[bigbird 60,564]

19 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

come off a super incompetent and easily misled and influenced

[bigbird 60,564]

@icanthearyou, 

[homersapien 11,386]

Bigbird falls back on his debating skills.

[AUFAN78 3,911]

On 11/30/2021 at 11:19 AM, CoffeeTiger said:

I read the whole article:

 

That article/book summary really makes Trump come off a super incompetent and easily misled and influenced. (i can dig it)

It's basically saying that Trump was misled by Fauci, that Fauci &Co basically forced Trump to do the lockdowns and to do and say things that Trump didn't really want to do or to say, and that when the "expert" who wrote this book came in to the white house and apparently gave Trump the "true" information and brought in different "real" experts, then the "media" deep state" even Trumps own whitehouse(?)  never allowed that information to be released to the public and apparently Trump wasn't allowed to mention or act on this new information that the new experts that this author had brought to him?  

 

The article and book writer are obviously pro-Trump so they don't say any of this outright, but the accusations they make in the article, if put together, shows a president who had no free will of his own and was led around like a puppet (similar to the accusations Conservatives make against Biden) by "the deep state" into ruining the economy and mishandling Covid against his will and better judgement. ... and how the evil media was so mean to Trump 

 

The other side of the article is typical Conservative Covid talk....lockdowns bad, covid testing bad, masks bad, vaccines bad, etc.  Talks a lot about what was done "wrong" to combat covid and how it ruined America and Trump, but doesn't really give any mention of what the "right" thing to do was aside from live life as normal and sanitize nursing homes more. no mention of covid deaths or results of mass sickness...all that matters is that the economy stays humming along, nobody misses work, and corporations don't have to deal with decreased profits. 

The article was obviously pretty good. Got us both to read its entirety. Your summary? A big F. 

[AUFAN78 3,911]

6 hours ago, homersapien said:

Bigbird falls back on his debating skills.

Truth hurts. Bird just pointed it out. 

[bigbird 60,564]

6 hours ago, homersapien said:

Bigbird falls back on his debating skills.

I adjust to my audience

[I_M4_AU 7,856]

28 minutes ago, bigbird said:

I adjust to my audience

How else do you debate with a mime?

[bigbird 60,564]

1 minute ago, I_M4_AU said:

How else do you debate with a mime?

It's homer, facts don't get in his way

[DKW 86 7,426]

On 12/1/2021 at 6:29 AM, bigbird said:

Lmao! Kudos.

[AU9377 4,961]

The author of this piece fails to consider why 90% of the planet's scientific community fully supports Fauci's analysis.  It is so rich when people in the U.S. pretend that all that matters is what we conclude in this country alone.  Of course, it is also a little rich to play Monday morning QB.  There has been a learning curve that everyone has gone thru, regardless of position.

[bigbird 60,564]

@icanthearyou, 

[CoffeeTiger 5,121]

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

The author of this piece fails to consider why 90% of the planet's scientific community fully supports Fauci's analysis.  It is so rich when people in the U.S. pretend that all that matters is what we conclude in this country alone.  Of course, it is also a little rich to play Monday morning QB.  There has been a learning curve that everyone has gone thru, regardless of position.

 

Problem is that they trust outside world scientists even less than they trust Fauci (ie. not at all)

For many American conservatives, their entire belief system and world view is based on a very small and narrow set of facts and "experts" ( those experts usually include people like Joe Rogan and that Texas doctor woman that believes in voodoo and Demon possession.).

 

 

 

[AUFAN78 3,911]

8 hours ago, AU9377 said:

The author of this piece fails to consider why 90% of the planet's scientific community fully supports Fauci's analysis.  It is so rich when people in the U.S. pretend that all that matters is what we conclude in this country alone.  Of course, it is also a little rich to play Monday morning QB.  There has been a learning curve that everyone has gone thru, regardless of position.

I believe the author is part of a group of 43K scientists that do not completely agree with Fauci. Here a couple articles from the group:

https://brownstone.org/articles/a-sensible-and-compassionate-anti-covid-strategy/

https://brownstone.org/articles/the-six-major-fails-of-anthony-fauci/

[AU9377 4,961]

4 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said:

I believe the author is part of a group of 43K scientists that do not completely agree with Fauci. Here a couple articles from the group:

https://brownstone.org/articles/a-sensible-and-compassionate-anti-covid-strategy/

https://brownstone.org/articles/the-six-major-fails-of-anthony-fauci/

Or more accurately described as a couple of scientists that belong to a professional association that has around 43k members.

[AU9377 4,961]

Anybody see this?  Do you really think that Angela Merkel wants Germans to get vaccinated because she wants to harm them?  Really?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59502180

[AUFAN78 3,911]

11 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

Or more accurately described as a couple of scientists that belong to a professional association that has around 43k members.

You sure about that?

To date, the Great Barrington Declaration has been signed by over 43,000 medical and public health scientists and medical practitioners. The Declaration thus does not represent a fringe view within the scientific community. 

[DKW 86 7,426]

9 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said:

You sure about that?

To date, the Great Barrington Declaration has been signed by over 43,000 medical and public health scientists and medical practitioners. The Declaration thus does not represent a fringe view within the scientific community. 

How dare you attack a mindless narrative with facts and science!!!!

Edited December 3, 2021 by DKW 86

[AUFAN78 3,911]

1 minute ago, DKW 86 said:

Out of likes. 

[I_M4_AU 7,856]

14 hours ago, AU9377 said:

Anybody see this?  Do you really think that Angela Merkel wants Germans to get vaccinated because she wants to harm them?  Really?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59502180

Didn’t Germany do the same sort of thing about 80 years ago?  Not a good look for Merkel.  I know, I know, times are different now, its a different kind of *existential* threat.

[AU9377 4,961]

14 hours ago, AUFAN78 said:

You sure about that?

To date, the Great Barrington Declaration has been signed by over 43,000 medical and public health scientists and medical practitioners. The Declaration thus does not represent a fringe view within the scientific community. 

Getting vaccinated can benefit people more than anything.  This document was written before vaccines were widely available.

Edited December 3, 2021 by AU9377

[AUFAN78 3,911]

11 hours ago, AU9377 said:

Getting vaccinated can benefit people more than anything.  This document was written before vaccines were widely available.

No need to move the goalpost. 

Edited December 4, 2021 by AUFAN78

[homersapien 11,386]

On 12/1/2021 at 10:05 PM, bigbird said:

It's homer, facts don't get in his way

Funny, you once complimented me on the amount of support and documentation I provided for my arguments.

Perhaps you need to get back to the football forum, you are clearly out of your element here.

Edited December 6, 2021 by homersapien

[bigbird 60,564]

47 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Funny, you once complimented me on the amount of support and documentation I provided for my arguments.

Perhaps you need to get back to the football forum, you are clearly out of your element here.

Oh you definitely cite your sources, it's impressive the amount of spam you post and even more impressive that you believe all of it wholeheartedly.