PUB78 1,362 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 20 hours ago, homersapien said: Behold the cherry picking pharisee! https://wng.org/opinions/speaking-the-truth-honestly-1671023179?mkt_tok=NzEwLVFSUi0yMDkAAAGIsfM1SYSzUVIk0nrZ4VUnp2AsnGaKubasTTCKXm734VngieMNp1xcHiWhure66H0z8CVQh2RS_gfLx1ObFEzq1DmPZn2mAtl6Q9JFkHl3Kyw 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj3jordan 2,058 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 On 12/14/2022 at 9:26 PM, icanthearyou said: You might want to check the history of the translations. Most ancient language scholars do not agree with the translation of the word "homosexual". You might want to consider faith as understanding and living in the spirit and love of Jesus, not the prejudice of men. You might want to read Mark chapter 7. “Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”” Mark 7:8-11, 13 NASB1995 https://bible.com/bible/100/mrk.7.9-10.NASB1995 You are neglecting the commandment of God when you embrace homosexual activities and marriages. Instead you choose the traditions of me over God. When Jesus interacted with sinners in most cases He forgave their sin but instructed them to proceed with their life by not continuing to sin as they had been. They had to repent, to turn away, from their sin, and discontinue that sin. Marrying same sex, with full knowledge of the truth, does not satisfy this requirement. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didba 5,256 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 2 hours ago, PUB78 said: https://wng.org/opinions/speaking-the-truth-honestly-1671023179?mkt_tok=NzEwLVFSUi0yMDkAAAGIsfM1SYSzUVIk0nrZ4VUnp2AsnGaKubasTTCKXm734VngieMNp1xcHiWhure66H0z8CVQh2RS_gfLx1ObFEzq1DmPZn2mAtl6Q9JFkHl3Kyw Sir, that source may be just a wee bit biased don't ya think? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUB78 1,362 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 2 hours ago, jj3jordan said: “Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”” Mark 7:8-11, 13 NASB1995 https://bible.com/bible/100/mrk.7.9-10.NASB1995 You are neglecting the commandment of God when you embrace homosexual activities and marriages. Instead you choose the traditions of me over God. When Jesus interacted with sinners in most cases He forgave their sin but instructed them to proceed with their life by not continuing to sin as they had been. They had to repent, to turn away, from their sin, and discontinue that sin. Marrying same sex, with full knowledge of the truth, does not satisfy this requirement. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,463 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, jj3jordan said: “Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” Jesus never spoke a word condemning homosexuals, let alone declaring it some sort of "super sin". The biblical translations have been shown (by ancient language scholars) to be incorrect. Are you practicing the religion of "christianity" or, are you following Jesus? Jesus commandments on how to treat others is quite clear. The entire law is fulfilled by keeping this one command,,, love you neighbor as yourself. Edited December 15, 2022 by icanthearyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj3jordan 2,058 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, icanthearyou said: Jesus never spoke a word condemning homosexuals, let alone declaring it some sort of "super sin". The biblical translations have been shown (by ancient language scholars) to be incorrect. Are you practicing the religion of "christianity" or, are you following Jesus? Jesus commandments on how to treat others is quite clear. The entire law is fulfilled by keeping this one command,,, love you neighbor as yourself. I won’t deny the authenticity and absolute correctness of the Bible. You most certainly have. I will take God over ancient language scholars any day. Your denial of the truth of the Bible allows you to rationalize any lifestyle or behavior imaginable. There is judgement and standards in life. God will administer it and Jesus will intercede for those who accept Him as the Messiah and Savior. It is not for me or anyone else to judge another person. Discussing issues and debating is not judgement. If a person feels judged by a debate, it is because their innate guilt is being exposed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDynasty 585 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 25 minutes ago, jj3jordan said: I won’t deny the authenticity and absolute correctness of the Bible. You most certainly have. I will take God over ancient language scholars any day. Your denial of the truth of the Bible allows you to rationalize any lifestyle or behavior imaginable. There is judgement and standards in life. God will administer it and Jesus will intercede for those who accept Him as the Messiah and Savior. It is not for me or anyone else to judge another person. Discussing issues and debating is not judgement. If a person feels judged by a debate, it is because their innate guilt is being exposed. Too funny. This coming from you? I'm thankful that we're finally becoming more accepting. And the best part? It's going to get better as we grow and evolve as a society where we recognize that everyone has equal rights as an individual. Our future generations are going to lead the way where everyone finally can be themselves fully, and I cannot wait. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didba 5,256 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 6 hours ago, PUB78 said: https://wng.org/opinions/speaking-the-truth-honestly-1671023179?mkt_tok=NzEwLVFSUi0yMDkAAAGIsfM1SYSzUVIk0nrZ4VUnp2AsnGaKubasTTCKXm734VngieMNp1xcHiWhure66H0z8CVQh2RS_gfLx1ObFEzq1DmPZn2mAtl6Q9JFkHl3Kyw Its also filed under opinions lmao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didba 5,256 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 32 minutes ago, jj3jordan said: I won’t deny the authenticity and absolute correctness of the Bible. You most certainly have. I will take God over ancient language scholars any day. Your denial of the truth of the Bible allows you to rationalize any lifestyle or behavior imaginable. There is judgement and standards in life. God will administer it and Jesus will intercede for those who accept Him as the Messiah and Savior. It is not for me or anyone else to judge another person. Discussing issues and debating is not judgement. If a person feels judged by a debate, it is because their innate guilt is being exposed. But you do acknowledge that at some point man could have made an error in translation or a selfish choice when the bible's contents were very fluid in 200-600 AD? Like I understand the point you are making. My mom holds it as well, but even she will admit that treacherous man could have acted in their self interest? I mean this is the early roman catholic church we are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,416 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 6 hours ago, PUB78 said: https://wng.org/opinions/speaking-the-truth-honestly-1671023179?mkt_tok=NzEwLVFSUi0yMDkAAAGIsfM1SYSzUVIk0nrZ4VUnp2AsnGaKubasTTCKXm734VngieMNp1xcHiWhure66H0z8CVQh2RS_gfLx1ObFEzq1DmPZn2mAtl6Q9JFkHl3Kyw Well, thanks for confirming my point, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,463 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, jj3jordan said: I won’t deny the authenticity and absolute correctness of the Bible. You most certainly have. I will take God over ancient language scholars any day. Your denial of the truth of the Bible allows you to rationalize any lifestyle or behavior imaginable. There is judgement and standards in life. God will administer it and Jesus will intercede for those who accept Him as the Messiah and Savior. It is not for me or anyone else to judge another person. Discussing issues and debating is not judgement. If a person feels judged by a debate, it is because their innate guilt is being exposed. Perhaps,,, I will choose Jesus over the bible. The bible is not God. Part of the message of Jesus relates to losing God in religion, in the law, in tradition. Edited December 16, 2022 by icanthearyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,463 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Didba said: But you do acknowledge that at some point man could have made an error in translation or a selfish choice when the bible's contents were very fluid in 200-600 AD? Like I understand the point you are making. My mom holds it as well, but even she will admit that treacherous man could have acted in their self interest? I mean this is the early roman catholic church we are talking about. IMHO, the only thing holy, only holy person ever to be on the planet is Jesus. Sin has free reign in this world. Everything is tainted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUB78 1,362 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 2 hours ago, homersapien said: Well, thanks for confirming my point, at least. Which is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,463 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 The self righteous do not listen. They know the law. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,416 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, PUB78 said: Which is? You are a religious extremist in the same mode as the Taliban. A modern day pharisee. More focused on law than grace. Edited December 16, 2022 by homersapien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUB78 1,362 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, homersapien said: You are a religious extremist in the same mode as the Taliban. A modern day pharisee. More focused on law than grace. Now Homer, it’s almost Christmas. I wouldn’t Santa to bypass you this Christmas for being on his naughty list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,437 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 On 11/30/2022 at 5:58 PM, PUB78 said: Trying to legalize perversion. KMA... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUB78 1,362 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 1 hour ago, DKW 86 said: KMA... Does KMA mean “keep marriage around”??😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,437 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, PUB78 said: Does KMA mean “keep marriage around”??😁 NOPE.. Unless you mean for everyone... Edited December 17, 2022 by DKW 86 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUB78 1,362 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 29 minutes ago, DKW 86 said: NOPE.. Unless you mean for everyone... Ho, Ho, Ho!🎄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 I’m not terribly familiar with the details of this law, but from what I do know, I’m glad it passed. For those of you that said “the far right hates this bill”, I’m pretty sure I’m about as far right as most people can get and I don’t see any reason this law shouldn’t exist. I will say, I’m not real sure why the government is in the “marriage business“ anyway but being they are, as long as we’re talking a consensual relationship between adults I don’t see a constitutional rationale to discriminate against homosexual individuals. I understand the sin argument, but the state rules are based on the constitution not the Bible. One thing I was curious about is - I was under the impression this bill also protected individuals that held sincere religious beliefs against gay marriage being forced into participating in the weddings - did this happen? I think it’s a good compromise and respects the values & beliefs of both sides. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,437 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Leave the marriages and the secular benefits intact. Let God himself deal with the rest. All sin is against God. There is no hierarchy of sins, as some ill trained theologians suggest. We all sin and must deal with that all the time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,463 Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 Why must we always find a group to be subhuman? Why do we need to find those who are not entitled to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness? Are we so weak that we must have someone to look down upon in order to feel good about who we are? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,416 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) On 1/1/2023 at 11:56 AM, icanthearyou said: Why must we always find a group to be subhuman? Why do we need to find those who are not entitled to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness? Are we so weak that we must have someone to look down upon in order to feel good about who we are? If you consider yourself "saved" because you follow the bible's "rules", that necessarily means people who don't follow those same rules are not "saved". In other words, you are of God (and special) while they aren't. Your last line nailed it in psychologically. Edited January 4, 2023 by homersapien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didba 5,256 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 On 1/1/2023 at 10:56 AM, icanthearyou said: Are we so weak that we must have someone to look down upon in order to feel good about who we are? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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