Tommy Tuberville's brother speaks out

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"I feel compelled to distance myself from his ignorant, hateful rants," musician Charles Tuberville said about the Alabama politician.

Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) has recently come under fire for making incendiary comments related to race — with even his own brother now voicing disapproval.

On Friday, musician Charles Tuberville, who has reportedly played with B.B. King, Leon Russell, Johnny Winter, Delbert McClinton and other stars, took to Facebook to condemn his politician sibling.

“Due to recent statements by him promoting racial stereotypes, white nationalism and other various controversial topics, I feel compelled to distance myself from his ignorant, hateful rants,” wrote the songsmith.

“I DO NOT agree with any of the vile rhetoric coming out of his mouth,” he added. “Please don’t confuse my brother with me. Thanks.”

Welp, okay then, no confusion.

 

 

[AuCivilEng1 11,012]

I am embarrassed that Tuberville was ever associated with Auburn University. Think about the incredible Auburn representation who was associated with the 2004 squad. Caddy, J Cam, Ronnie, Borges, Travis Williams...etc etc. And then you have a piece of human trash like Tommy Tuberville. I'd take Chiz, Gus, or Hugh any day over Tubs. 

[GoAU 1,600]

Maybe I’ve been under a rock, but what has CTT said thats racist?   

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When asked if he believed white nationalists should be allowed in the U.S. military, Tuberville responded, “Well, they call them that. I call them Americans.”

 

[TexasTiger 12,964]

4 hours ago, AURex said:

When asked if he believed white nationalists should be allowed in the U.S. military, Tuberville responded, “Well, they call them that. I call them Americans.”

 

Plus a few other things.

[GoAU 1,600]

8 hours ago, AURex said:

When asked if he believed white nationalists should be allowed in the U.S. military, Tuberville responded, “Well, they call them that. I call them Americans.”

 

How would you define “white nationalist”?  Let’s take a look at the terminology.  I’ll assume we can all define “white”, so we’ll move along to the definition of “nationalist”.  All info below is from Merriam-Webster.  

nationalist

1 of 2

noun

na·tion·al·ist ˈna-sh(ə-)nə-list 

 

plural nationalists

Synonyms of nationalist

1

: an advocate of or believer in nationalism

 

2

: a member of a political party or group advocating national independence or strong national government

 

nationalist

2 of 2

adjective

1

: of, relating to, or advocating nationalism

 

2

: of, relating to, or being a political group advocating or associated with nationalism

 

So, this doesn’t really answer the question, so let’s take a look at “nationalism”:

 

nationalism

noun

na·tion·al·ism ˈna-sh(ə-)nə-ˌli-zəm 

 

Synonyms of nationalism

1

: loyalty and devotion to a nation

especially  : a sense of national consciousness (see CONSCIOUSNESSsense 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups 

Intense nationalism was one of the causes of the war. 

 

 

2

: a nationalist movement or government
 

Taking a look at the whole term changes the definition a bit:

 

white nationalist

noun

 

plural white nationalists

: one of a group of militant white people who espouse white supremacy (see WHITE SUPREMACY sense 1) and advocate enforced racial segregation

… his vision for the community—an enclave where residents fly "racialist" banners, where they are able to import enough … white nationalists to take control of the town government …—John Eligon

 

white nationalism noun

  or less commonly White Nationalism

… a far right platform that includes white nationalism and opposition to Israel.

But, here is another term that is also listed: 

 

black nationalist

noun

 

variants  or Black Nationalist

plural black nationalists or Black Nationalists

: a member of a Black advocacy group in the U.S. especially during the 1960's and 1970's that sought to empower Black people financially, promote a sense of Black community and identity, and form a separate self-governing Black nation  

 

—often used before another noun

black nationalist groupsa Black Nationalist leader

 

Just wondering why the question or concept of a ban wouldn’t related to ALL racists?  Also, in a society that seems to love throwing around labels of “racist” very subjectively- how exactly would this be enforced?  Surely you wouldn’t base it on an opinion, right?  How about conviction of a crime?  That seems fair, right - well the good news is that is already in place.   The military also discharges / prevents entry (or at least did when I was in) for having racist tattoos, Nazi flags, and other clear identifiers of racism.  
 

Surely this one comment isn’t the only “evidence” the man is a racist?   Shouldn’t we be a little more careful before slapping a label like this on someone without some type of proof?  We seem quick to use the term “racist” as a weapon in this day & age for people we don’t agree with politically, and that’s pretty dangerous for everyone.  

Edited June 2, 2023 by GoAU

[CoffeeTiger 5,135]

3 hours ago, GoAU said:

How would you define “white nationalist”?  Let’s take a look at the terminology.  I’ll assume we can all define “white”, so we’ll move along to the definition of “nationalist”.  All info below is from Merriam-Webster.  

nationalist

1 of 2

noun

na·tion·al·ist ˈna-sh(ə-)nə-list 

 

plural nationalists

Synonyms of nationalist

1

: an advocate of or believer in nationalism

 

2

: a member of a political party or group advocating national independence or strong national government

 

nationalist

2 of 2

adjective

1

: of, relating to, or advocating nationalism

 

2

: of, relating to, or being a political group advocating or associated with nationalism

 

So, this doesn’t really answer the question, so let’s take a look at “nationalism”:

 

nationalism

noun

na·tion·al·ism ˈna-sh(ə-)nə-ˌli-zəm 

 

Synonyms of nationalism

1

: loyalty and devotion to a nation

especially  : a sense of national consciousness (see CONSCIOUSNESSsense 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups 

Intense nationalism was one of the causes of the war. 

 

 

2

: a nationalist movement or government
 

Taking a look at the whole term changes the definition a bit:

 

white nationalist

noun

 

plural white nationalists

: one of a group of militant white people who espouse white supremacy (see WHITE SUPREMACY sense 1) and advocate enforced racial segregation

… his vision for the community—an enclave where residents fly "racialist" banners, where they are able to import enough … white nationalists to take control of the town government …—John Eligon

 

white nationalism noun

  or less commonly White Nationalism

… a far right platform that includes white nationalism and opposition to Israel.

But, here is another term that is also listed: 

 

black nationalist

noun

 

variants  or Black Nationalist

plural black nationalists or Black Nationalists

: a member of a Black advocacy group in the U.S. especially during the 1960's and 1970's that sought to empower Black people financially, promote a sense of Black community and identity, and form a separate self-governing Black nation  

 

—often used before another noun

black nationalist groupsa Black Nationalist leader

 

Just wondering why the question or concept of a ban wouldn’t related to ALL racists?  Also, in a society that seems to love throwing around labels of “racist” very subjectively- how exactly would this be enforced?  Surely you wouldn’t base it on an opinion, right?  How about conviction of a crime?  That seems fair, right - well the good news is that is already in place.   The military also discharges / prevents entry (or at least did when I was in) for having racist tattoos, Nazi flags, and other clear identifiers of racism.  
 

Surely this one comment isn’t the only “evidence” the man is a racist?   Shouldn’t we be a little more careful before slapping a label like this on someone without some type of proof?  We seem quick to use the term “racist” as a weapon in this day & age for people we don’t agree with politically, and that’s pretty dangerous for everyone.  

I didn't know the military had a problem with Black racial supremacists? White supremacists views have actually been identified by the military as a problem within it's ranks. https://rollcall.com/2021/02/16/pentagon-report-reveals-inroads-white-supremacists-have-made-in-military/

Hadn't heard that Black supremacists also were an issue. Best get that removed too. 

As for Tommy Tugboat,  I'm just going to go out on a limb and assume his own freaking Brother might know him pretty well, and if he's not giving Tommy the benefit of the doubt I don't see any reason for me to either. Especially when these types of "misunderstandings" with Tuberville's language is pretty common at this point. Tubs can't go through one speech or interview without saying something dumb or questionable that his press office has to later come out claiming everyone just didn't understand what he "really" was saying.

As for identifying these people.....So you are saying tattoos are the only possible ways one can be identified as a racist or white supremacists?

No, Being associated with militant groups such as the Proud Boys, 3 percenters, Patriots Front ect should be a disqualifier, as should social media activity that advocates for racist ideals and ideas. Nothing identifies a white supremacists quite as easily as what they actually say and advocate for. 

Edited June 2, 2023 by CoffeeTiger

[Mikey 16,643]

3 hours ago, GoAU said:

How would you define “white nationalist”?

That's the crux of the matter.

Also, a big deal is being made about a tiny percentage of military members who are also racists. I think Lloyd Austin and this administration are creating a solution for a problem that doesn't exist at the scale they claim. Their "most serious threat to the military" claim is BS. Concentrating on woke use of pronouns and spending millions on changing the names of military bases rather than preparing to fight a war is the most serious threat.

As to Senator Tuberville's brother, this sounds like a case of the jealous loser brother taking a shot at his successful sibling. Not the first time for such as this and won't be the last either. Cain and Able come to mind. It goes that far back.

[homersapien 11,393]

10 hours ago, GoAU said:

How would you define “white nationalist”?  Let’s take a look at the terminology.  I’ll assume we can all define “white”, so we’ll move along to the definition of “nationalist”. 

 

Are you serious? 

 

 

[GoAU 1,600]

10 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

I didn't know the military had a problem with Black racial supremacists? White supremacists views have actually been identified by the military as a problem within it's ranks. https://rollcall.com/2021/02/16/pentagon-report-reveals-inroads-white-supremacists-have-made-in-military/

Hadn't heard that Black supremacists also were an issue. Best get that removed too. 

As for Tommy Tugboat,  I'm just going to go out on a limb and assume his own freaking Brother might know him pretty well, and if he's not giving Tommy the benefit of the doubt I don't see any reason for me to either. Especially when these types of "misunderstandings" with Tuberville's language is pretty common at this point. Tubs can't go through one speech or interview without saying something dumb or questionable that his press office has to later come out claiming everyone just didn't understand what he "really" was saying.

As for identifying these people.....So you are saying tattoos are the only possible ways one can be identified as a racist or white supremacists?

No, Being associated with militant groups such as the Proud Boys, 3 percenters, Patriots Front ect should be a disqualifier, as should social media activity that advocates for racist ideals and ideas. Nothing identifies a white supremacists quite as easily as what they actually say and advocate for. 

So, if you don’t “know” about an issue, there must not be one, right?
 

 I guess you OK with having differing standards based on race - which therefore would make you, by definition, a racist.  Interesting.  
 

I also did NOT say tattoos were the only way, but I said they are A way.  I also referred to criminal record.   I’d love to hear what other ideas you may have.   Would an unconfirmed rumor or accusation do the trick?   Please do elaborate on this one.  The military does security screening for this in positions requiring a clearance, which are a small percentage of all roles.  Are you advocating security clearances for ALL members of the military?  
 

You do realize that some of the groups you mention, such as the Proud Boys & 3 Percenters have black members, right?  While they are certainly on the right of the political spectrum and are counter to the “woke” movement slinging around the “racist” tag is dishonest and / or intellectually dishonest.   Or maybe you’re saying these individuals just hate themselves?

As for his brother - you (or I) have no idea what their relationship is or whether or not his assessment is truthful.  

Edited June 2, 2023 by GoAU

[GoAU 1,600]

3 hours ago, homersapien said:

Are you serious? 

 

 

Yes, if we’re going to talk about a label I think it’s only fair to define it.  

[CoffeeTiger 5,135]

57 minutes ago, GoAU said:

So, if you don’t “know” about an issue, there must not be one, right?
 

 I guess you OK with having differing standards based on race - which therefore would make you, by definition, a racist.  Interesting.  
 

 

 

I don’t feel like this is in response to anything I actually wrote. I provided a link where the military itself has identified white supremacists as a problem within its ranks, and the. I said that while I have not heard or seen where Black supremacists are a problem in the US military then if they are they need to be removed too. 
 

If you believe there is a Black supremacists problem in the military….then that’s fine, but do you have any evidence or sources for that claim? Otherwise it just looks like the standard conservative response of “BUT black people are bad too! Why are we not talking about bad Black people!?!?” That gets made whenever white racism is brought up in conversation. 

57 minutes ago, GoAU said:

 

I also did NOT say tattoos were the only way, but I said they are A way.  I also referred to criminal record.   I’d love to hear what other ideas you may have.   Would an unconfirmed rumor or accusation do the trick?   Please do elaborate on this one.  The military does security screening for this in positions requiring a clearance, which are a small percentage of all roles.  Are you advocating security clearances for ALL members of the military?

 

 No, unconfirmed rumors shouldn’t be sufficient, but perhaps more background checks and social media look ups would be necessary. I provided multiple examples in my last post on how these beliefs could be credibly identified. 

57 minutes ago, GoAU said:

 

 
 

You do realize that some of the groups you mention, such as the Proud Boys & 3 Percenters have black members, right?  While they are certainly on the right of the political spectrum and are counter to the “woke” movement slinging around the “racist” tag is dishonest and / or intellectually dishonest.   Or maybe you’re saying these individuals just hate themselves?

So? Don’t conservatives like to bring up “uhh black people also owned slaves” when the discussion of slavery gets brought up. 
 

yeah, Black people can be racist, fascists, bigoted, ect. And they can be apart of far-right cosplaying militia groups like were mentioned. 
 

it’s like saying Nazi Germany wasn’t anti-Semitic because there were some Jewish Nazis. 
 

if the army finds black members of those groups then kick them out too. 

 

57 minutes ago, GoAU said:

As for his brother - you (or I) have no idea what their relationship is or whether or not his assessment is truthful.  

I’ll base my opinion on what Tuberville says and does. 
 

if you want to believe Tuberville’s press teams claims that he doesn’t ever really mean what actually comes out of his mouth then that’s fine too. 
 

 

Edited June 3, 2023 by CoffeeTiger

[GoAU 1,600]

2 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

I don’t feel like this is in response to anything I actually wrote. I provided a link where the military itself has identified white supremacists as a problem within its ranks, and the. I said that while I have not heard or seen where Black supremacists are a problem in the US military then if they are they need to be removed too. 

Don't be too quick to confuse the echo chamber of Biden's political agenda with the military.  Biden himself said that white supremacy was the biggest threat to the US, which is laughable.     I'm not in any way, shape or form, saying racism is OK, but I'm far from convinced it's the huge threat the left like to perpetuate.  
 

If you believe there is a Black supremacists problem in the military….then that’s fine, but do you have any evidence or sources for that claim? Otherwise it just looks like the standard conservative response of “BUT black people are bad too! Why are we not talking about bad Black people!?!?” That gets made whenever white racism is brought up in conversation. 

No - it's just the standard response of - if we are attacking racism, then let's attack racism, and not just certain aspects of it.   Racism cannot be fought with more racism.

 

 No, unconfirmed rumors shouldn’t be sufficient, but perhaps more background checks and social media look ups would be necessary. I provided multiple examples in my last post on how these beliefs could be credibly identified.  More background checks and social media stalking - Orwell would be proud.  

So? Don’t conservatives like to bring up “uhh black people also owned slaves” when the discussion of slavery gets brought up. 
 

yeah, Black people can be racist, fascists, bigoted, ect. And they can be apart of far-right cosplaying militia groups like were mentioned. 
 

it’s like saying Nazi Germany wasn’t anti-Semitic because there were some Jewish Nazis. 
 

if the army finds black members of those groups then kick them out too. 

The point I made flew right over your head...  At least 2 of the groups you mentioned and labeled as racist have nothing to do at all with racism or white supremacy - but hey, don't let the truth get in you way.   This is yet another example about why your point above regarding social media checks is garbage - it's completely subjective.

 

I’ll base my opinion on what Tuberville says and does. As you should, but "going out on a limb" and touting his brother's opinion as fact seems to fly contrary to that.
 

if you want to believe Tuberville’s press teams claims that he doesn’t ever really mean what actually comes out of his mouth then that’s fine too. That's not what I said either, I just merely asked what he said that was racist as I didn't see or hear anything, but I also don't live in Alabama any more or follow him closely.
 

 

 

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The senator’s office then said in a statement to AL.com that Tuberville’s quote “shows that he was being skeptical of the notion that there are white nationalists in the military, not that he believes they should be in the military.”

Tubs isn't stupid; this is clearly what he meant. He certainly could have put it better.

[homersapien 11,393]

17 hours ago, GoAU said:

Yes, if we’re going to talk about a label I think it’s only fair to define it.  

Well, let me try.

"White nationalist" is a term for a person who believes the country should be dominated or controlled exclusively by and for people of the white "race" and anyone of (sufficient) color is less than a full citizen. 

It is clearly racist, as well as un-American.

Does that help? 

Here's more....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism

White nationalism is a type of racial nationalism or pan-nationalism which espouses the belief that white people are a race^[1] and seeks to develop and maintain a white racial and national identity.^[2][3][4] Many of its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation, or a "white ethnostate".^[5]

White nationalists say they seek to ensure the survival of the white race, and the cultures of historically white states. They hold that white people should maintain their majority in majority-white countries, maintain their political and economic dominance, and that their cultures should be foremost in these countries.^[4] Many white nationalists believe that miscegenation, multiculturalism, immigration of nonwhites and low birth rates among whites are threatening the white race.^[6]

Analysts describe white nationalism as overlapping with white supremacism and white separatism.^{[7][4][6][8][9][10]} White nationalism is sometimes described as a euphemism for, or subset of, white supremacism, and the two have been used interchangeably by journalists and analysts.^[8][11] White separatism is the pursuit of a "white-only state", while supremacism is the belief that white people are superior to nonwhites and should dominate them,^[6][8][9] taking ideas from social Darwinism and Nazism.^[12] Critics argue that the term "white nationalism" is simply a "rebranding", and ideas such as white pride exist solely to provide a sanitized public face for "white supremacy", which white nationalists allegedly avoid using because of its negative connotations,^[13][14] and that most white nationalist groups promote racial violence.^[15]

Edited June 3, 2023 by homersapien

[GoAU 1,600]

54 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Well, let me try.

"White nationalist" is a term for a person who believes the country should be dominated or controlled exclusively by and for people of the white "race" and anyone of (sufficient) color is less than a full citizen. 

It is clearly racist, as well as un-American.

Does that help? 

Here's more....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism

White nationalism is a type of racial nationalism or pan-nationalism which espouses the belief that white people are a race^[1] and seeks to develop and maintain a white racial and national identity.^[2][3][4] Many of its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation, or a "white ethnostate".^[5]

White nationalists say they seek to ensure the survival of the white race, and the cultures of historically white states. They hold that white people should maintain their majority in majority-white countries, maintain their political and economic dominance, and that their cultures should be foremost in these countries.^[4] Many white nationalists believe that miscegenation, multiculturalism, immigration of nonwhites and low birth rates among whites are threatening the white race.^[6]

Analysts describe white nationalism as overlapping with white supremacism and white separatism.^{[7][4][6][8][9][10]} White nationalism is sometimes described as a euphemism for, or subset of, white supremacism, and the two have been used interchangeably by journalists and analysts.^[8][11] White separatism is the pursuit of a "white-only state", while supremacism is the belief that white people are superior to nonwhites and should dominate them,^[6][8][9] taking ideas from social Darwinism and Nazism.^[12] Critics argue that the term "white nationalism" is simply a "rebranding", and ideas such as white pride exist solely to provide a sanitized public face for "white supremacy", which white nationalists allegedly avoid using because of its negative connotations,^[13][14] and that most white nationalist groups promote racial violence.^[15]

Not really, as you just cut and pasted something essentially synonymous with my post from earlier, but OK.  I’m guessing you didn’t read the entire post or just missed it. 

[homersapien 11,393]

On 6/3/2023 at 12:38 PM, GoAU said:

Not really, as you just cut and pasted something essentially synonymous with my post from earlier, but OK.  I’m guessing you didn’t read the entire post or just missed it. 

But do you now understand what a "white nationalist" is?  Or do you feel we need to take more time to define it?  

After all, that's what your OP suggested - the one in which I asked "are you serious?"

Edited June 4, 2023 by homersapien

[alexava 6,973]

I don’t think anyone here is going to defend Tuberville from being a dumbass. But these words are being twisted and a false narrative is being spread. 
     If anyone watched the fbi whistle blowers house hearings, we know FBI brass gets bonus points for opening up investigations. That’s where these ridiculous numbers of white supremacists running around the country ( that nobody ever actually sees) comes from. 

[Gowebb11 9,343]

18 minutes ago, alexava said:

I don’t think anyone here is going to defend Tuberville from being a dumbass. But these words are being twisted and a false narrative is being spread. 
     If anyone watched the fbi whistle blowers house hearings, we know FBI brass gets bonus points for opening up investigations. That’s where these ridiculous numbers of white supremacists running around the country ( that nobody ever actually sees) comes from. 

Oh they are there. I don’t know their actual numbers but to deny they exist is short sighted and naive. One very recent example. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/audio-coming-reporter-taped-oklahoma-leaders-talking-killing-reporters-rcna80299

[alexava 6,973]

I’m not denying they exist. I’m saying the numbers aren’t such that they are any serious concern.  They are boogeymen who serve the purpose of the political left. In turn the political left makes it worth the while for the FBI to create numbers of them. Groups like the Proud Boys are lumped into it and are not white supremacists. 

[alexava 6,973]

32 minutes ago, Gowebb11 said:

Oh they are there. I don’t know their actual numbers but to deny they exist is short sighted and naive. One very recent example. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/audio-coming-reporter-taped-oklahoma-leaders-talking-killing-reporters-rcna80299

This could be serious or could be heavily edited to sound serious. At any rate you got a single person or 2 running his mouth in what was a private conversation. Not indicating a national security threat. 

[arein0 970]

12 minutes ago, alexava said:

I’m not denying they exist. I’m saying the numbers aren’t such that they are any serious concern.  They are boogeymen who serve the purpose of the political left. In turn the political left makes it worth the while for the FBI to create numbers of them. Groups like the Proud Boys are lumped into it and are not white supremacists. 

There are more of them and are more dangerous than trannies (the right's boogieman), yet every thread here seems to always end up talking about trannies.

[homersapien 11,393]

2 hours ago, alexava said:

I don’t think anyone here is going to defend Tuberville from being a dumbass. But these words are being twisted and a false narrative is being spread. 
     If anyone watched the fbi whistle blowers house hearings, we know FBI brass gets bonus points for opening up investigations. That’s where these ridiculous numbers of white supremacists running around the country ( that nobody ever actually sees) comes from. 

"Nobody ever actually sees" ? 

 

United States

• 11th Hour Remnant Messenger was a group which was founded by two wealthy retired entrepreneurs who believed that whites were the true biblical Israelites.
• American Renaissance, is a "race realist and white advocacy website", formerly a monthly magazine, published by the New Century Foundation.
• American Freedom Party, formerly known as the American Third Position Party, is an American political party which promotes white supremacy.^{[8][9][10][11]} It was founded in 2010, and it defines its principal mission as representing the political interests of white Americans.^[12]
• American Nazi Party is an antisemitic, neo-Nazi organization whose ideology is largely based upon the ideals and policies of Adolf Hitler's NSDAP which ruled Germany during the era of the Third Reich. It also advocates Holocaust denial.
• Aryan Brotherhood of Texas is, according to the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center, one of the largest and most violent white supremacist prison gangs in the United States, responsible for murders and other violent crimes.^[13][14]
• Aryan Republican Army (ARA) was a white nationalist terrorist organization which espoused Christian Identity.
• Aryan Nations, is a white supremacist neo-Nazi organization which was founded in the 1970s by Richard Girnt Butler as an arm of the Christian Identity group which is known as the Church of Jesus Christ-Christian. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has called Aryan Nations a "terrorist threat",^[15] and the RAND Corporation has called it the "first truly nationwide terrorist network" in the US.^[16]
• Asatru Folk Assembly, part of the racist ("folkish") branch of the Heathenry movement.^[17]
• Atomwaffen Division, a Neo-Nazi and Satanist terrorist organisation.
• Council of Conservative Citizens, an American political organization which supports a large variety of conservative and paleoconservative causes in addition to white separatism.^[18]
• Creativity Alliance, (formerly known as the World Church of the Creator) is a white supremacist political organization that advocates the racialist religion, Creativity. Mainly religious rather than political, the radical Creativity Alliance or the Church of Creativity, founded by Ben Klassen in 1973, worships the white race rather than any deity, and it also advocates a radical form of white supremacism which is known as RAHOWA.
• EURO, is a white separatist organization in the United States. Led by former Louisiana state representative, presidential primary candidate and Grand Wizard of the KKK David Duke, it was founded in 2000.^[19][20]
• Goyim Defense League and video channel GoyimTV, an antisemitism group run by Jon Minadeo II.^[21]
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• Identity Evropa is an American neo-Nazi and white supremacist organization which was established in March 2016.
• Ku Klux Klan, often abbreviated KKK and informally known as The Klan, is the name of three distinct past and present ^[22] organizations in the United States, which have advocated extremist and reactionary currents such as white supremacy and nationalism. The Klan is classified as a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center.^[23] It is estimated to have between 5,000 and 8,000 members, split among dozens of different organizations that use the Klan name as of 2012.^[24]
• National Alliance, was a white supremacist political organization. It was founded by William Luther Pierce, and it was based in Hillsboro, West Virginia.
• National Association for the Advancement of White People, was a white supremacist organization in the United States which was incorporated on December 14, 1953, in Delaware by Bryant Bowles. It presents itself as a civil rights organization which models itself after the NAACP.
• National Policy Institute, is a think tank based in Augusta, Georgia, in the United States. It describes itself as the right's answer to the Southern Poverty Law Center.
• National Socialist Movement (United States), a party which was founded in 1974. Since 2005, the party has been very active, staging many marches and demonstrations.
• National Vanguard, was an American National Socialist organization based in Charlottesville, Virginia, founded by Kevin Alfred Strom and former members of the National Alliance.
• Nationalist Movement, is a Mississippi-based, white supremacist organization which advocates what it calls a "pro-majority" position. It has been called a white supremacist organization by the Associated Press and the Anti-Defamation League, among other organizations.^[25][26]
• Occidental Quarterly, is a printed far-right quarterly journal with a web segment, TOQ Online, including interviews, essays and reviews on the website.^[27]
• The Order, or Brüder Schweigen ("Silent Brotherhood") was a white supremacist Revolutionary organization founded by Robert Jay Mathews, active 1983–1984, probably best known for the 1984 murder of talk show host Alan Berg. Berg's killing was to be the first in a planned series of assassinations, followed by attacks on the United States government, all meant to bring about a race war which would result in fulfillment of White Separatist ideals (see Northwest Territorial Imperative).
• Pacifica Forum, is a controversial discussion group in Eugene, Oregon, United States. It has been listed as a white nationalist^[28]hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).
• Patriot Front is a neo-fascist and american nationalist group and it is an offshoot of Vanguard America^[29][30][31]
• Phineas Priesthood, is a Christian Identity movement that opposes interracial intercourse, the mixing of races, homosexuality, and abortion. It is also marked by its anti-Semitism, anti-multiculturalism, and opposition to taxation.
• Pioneer Fund, a white supremacist non-profit that funds scientific racism research.
• The Social Contract Press, a publisher of white nationalist literature which was founded by John Tanton.
• Volksfront, describes itself as an international fraternal organization for persons of European descent.^[32] It has been called "neo-Nazi" and a "racist-skinhead group" in press reports.^[33][34][35] The Anti-Defamation League has called the group "one of the most active skinhead groups in the United States."^[36] The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has added Volksfront to its list of hate groups.^[37]
• White America, Inc., a group which was founded in Arkansas in order to prevent the racial desegregation of the state's schools.^[38]
• White Aryan Resistance, a neo-Nazi white supremacist organization which was founded and led by former Ku Klux Klan leader Tom Metzger.^[39]

 

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2 hours ago, alexava said:

I’m not denying they exist. I’m saying the numbers aren’t such that they are any serious concern.  They are boogeymen who serve the purpose of the political left. In turn the political left makes it worth the while for the FBI to create numbers of them. Groups like the Proud Boys are lumped into it and are not white supremacists. 

How many people does it take to say, blow up a federal office building?

Or hell, fly a jet into a skyscraper?

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2 hours ago, alexava said:

This could be serious or could be heavily edited to sound serious. At any rate you got a single person or 2 running his mouth in what was a private conversation. Not indicating a national security threat. 

These are exactly the sort of people that fill the ranks of white nationalist organizations. 

The point is they aren't all exactly all that rare.

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