At least 25% of the country

[homersapien 11,461]

2 hours ago, Gowebb11 said:

I used to wonder how Jim Jones convinced 900 people to line up and drink cyanide laced Kool-Aid. After watching our populous the past few years, I no longer wonder. 

Actually that's not a bad analogy.  IMO, the answer is the cultural environment. In the case of Jim Jones, it was isolation and constant indoctrination.  In our (national) case it has a lot to do with social media and constant propaganda. (I could offer member of my family as exhibits).

It also explains religiosity, but that's another subject.

[homersapien 11,461]

On 1/4/2024 at 10:45 PM, Cardin Drake said:

Let's see. You take a large angry crowd. You add some undercover plants to break some windows and knock down fences.  On one side you shoot tear gas and rubber bullets into the crowd. Then on the other side of the capital you open the doors and escort the crowd in. You've got all the pictures you need to claim an insurrection.  Yep, count me in on the crazy side. Don't find anything unbelievable about that at all.  (Who gave the order to open the doors?  Not much curiosity from the J6 committee there)

Classic confirmation bias.

[Gowebb11 9,389]

12 hours ago, AURex said:

hahahaha

The earth is flat and nobody ever went to the moon and the Titanic was not a real ship.
Hitler had great ideas and was a great leader.
The Civil war had nothing to do with slavery and was just a disagreement about states rights.
Climate is not changing.
Video games cause killings
People of Asian, Hispanic, Pacific Island, any other origin, are "replacement" threat to destroy the U.S.
The U.S. was founded upon Christianity and must destroy the infiltration of all other religions.
Democrats are all pedophiles and sex traffickers
Library books and drag shows convert kids (and adults) into trannys, homosexuals, and child molesting perverts.
Vaccines cause measles, cholera, polio, smallpox, dementia, DNA damage, autism, dengue fever, Alzheimer's, scarlet fever, strokes, heart disease, atherosclerosis, pimples, genetic damage, and a thousand other ailments.
The U.S. will be saved by an uprising of "patriots" on xxx date, which keeps changing endlessly.
Trump will save us from ...... whatever cranks you are into of crazoid hateness.
A Trump dictatorship is the wet dream!

 

Sorry, but you forgot that Covid was a hoax. Wasn’t even real. Our President told us so before a live audience. 

[I_M4_AU 8,012]

5 hours ago, Gowebb11 said:

I used to wonder how Jim Jones convinced 900 people to line up and drink cyanide laced Kool-Aid. After watching our populous the past few years, I no longer wonder. 

Joe Biden has convinced a lot of peole that on Jan 6th, 2021 the Republic was moments away from being overtaken, yet he constantly says the right to bare arms is not to fight tyranny as the government has F-16s and nukes.  Of course, there were no weapons of war found on the protesters.  Do you believe this is true?

Biden has convinced a lot of people that White Supremacy is an existential threat to America.  Do you believe this is true?

Biden’s DOJ has investigated school board meeting for disruptive behavior because of an incident involving a father whose daughter was raped by a trans student and the school board tried to cover it up.  Is this something you would agree is normal?  How about trying to infiltrate the Catholic Church for fostering thoughts not conducive to the regime?

Do you believe that a child can change his/her sex just by plastic surgery?

Do you believe the mass border crossing we have seen in the last three years is due to climate change?

Do you believe every person that despises Biden is the enemy and should be scorned publicly?

Do you believe Biden’s actions involving his family are all on the up and up?  Do you believe we should investigate further before the election to determine his fitness for office?

If you believe any of the above; what flavor of Kool-aid are you drinking?

[Gowebb11 9,389]

52 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

If you believe any of the above;

I believe you’re way off topic. And a bit triggered for me to engage with. 

[I_M4_AU 8,012]

2 minutes ago, Gowebb11 said:

I believe you’re way off topic. And a bit triggered for me to engage with. 

Edited: If you can only see what the left wants you to see, you only see half the issue.

Edited January 6 by I_M4_AU

[Leftfield 2,676]

Here's the thing about the FBI being in the crowd at the Capitol: I believe it to be true. In fact, I'd have been disappointed if they weren't. Considering everything they knew at the time, it would have been stupid not to.

The FBI are of course constantly monitoring extremist groups. They knew full well much of what was being discussed in the leadup to the attacks, and in fact there were numerous news articles during the time that pointed out the FBI's concern. It would have actually been irresponsible of them to not have agents in the crowd looking and listening for any credible threats or plans. So the fact of agents being in the crowd would not surprise me at all.

Those agents actually instigating the attack is something else entirely - it makes no sense. First off, you're risking the safety of a huge number of people, not to mention the desecration of a national monument, just to bring a few people down, which no agent would do (unless they actually supported Trump's goal). In addition to that, though, in this day and age it's fairly simple to identify people, considering the number of cell phone videos and other surveillance. Why would the FBI risk that kind of exposure? I'm sure that extremist groups or any number of Trump supporters have pored through video by now in an attempt to support the "FBI Instigation" theory, yet we've seen nothing manifest from it. 

 

[PUB78 1,364]

Only 25%? I thought  the  country was composed of a higher number of lunacy liberals.

[I_M4_AU 8,012]

Where were you when you heard about Jan 6th:

It was 2:20 p.m. on this day in 2021. I was in my classroom- quadruple masked- explaining to my students how queer slaves actually wrote the Constitution, when I heard it: sobbing from the hall. I went outside to find my colleague, an English teacher, sobbing uncontrollably.

At first I thought Ron DeSantis had made our jobs even more difficult by banning us from discussing our kinks in the classroom, but it was far worse. “A white supremacist insurrectionist has his feet on Nancy Pelosi’s desk,” they/them cried.

I rushed back into my classroom to see the look of fear on my students’ faces. “Are we going to lose access to our puberty blockers?” a purple-haired demiboy asked.

“If they overthrow our democracy, yes,” I replied. For the next several hours we watched the TV in fear as several hundred terrorists searched the Capitol for Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, so they could have their way with her.

Thankfully, a brave police officer of color shot a hysterical Karen in the face, sending the MAGA idiots running for their lives at the sight of such a strong Black man.

When it was over, 640 police officers of color had been killed and Ilhan Omar’s brother-husband had been deported back to Somalia.

My students knew how close we had come to losing our democracy- mostly because I told them so.

We must #NeverForgetJan6

How did you hear the news?

 

 

 

[Leftfield 2,676]

42 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Where were you when you heard about Jan 6th:

It was 2:20 p.m. on this day in 2021. I was in my classroom- quadruple masked- explaining to my students how queer slaves actually wrote the Constitution, when I heard it: sobbing from the hall. I went outside to find my colleague, an English teacher, sobbing uncontrollably.

At first I thought Ron DeSantis had made our jobs even more difficult by banning us from discussing our kinks in the classroom, but it was far worse. “A white supremacist insurrectionist has his feet on Nancy Pelosi’s desk,” they/them cried.

I rushed back into my classroom to see the look of fear on my students’ faces. “Are we going to lose access to our puberty blockers?” a purple-haired demiboy asked.

“If they overthrow our democracy, yes,” I replied. For the next several hours we watched the TV in fear as several hundred terrorists searched the Capitol for Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, so they could have their way with her.

Thankfully, a brave police officer of color shot a hysterical Karen in the face, sending the MAGA idiots running for their lives at the sight of such a strong Black man.

When it was over, 640 police officers of color had been killed and Ilhan Omar’s brother-husband had been deported back to Somalia.

My students knew how close we had come to losing our democracy- mostly because I told them so.

We must #NeverForgetJan6

How did you hear the news?

 

 

 

And the whitewashing continues.

Quite honestly, this is one of the most pathetic things you've ever posted... .a bigoted attempt at humor, born out of fear, to downplay a historically disgusting act.  

You treat the attack like you treat Trump.....you claim you don't support it, yet you consistently minimize what happened, despite all contrary evidence. 

Only funny thing about it, or would be if it weren't so sad, is that it's so over-the-top that it's not even clever, yet you apparently think it's hilarious. That ought to tell you something about how extreme you've become, but I've long since lost hope for that.

[I_M4_AU 8,012]

36 minutes ago, Leftfield said:

historically disgusting act.  

Disgusting act, I would agree.  Historically is hyperbole.

After being gaslite for three years as good white washing is in order.

The only *evidence* presented was from highly bias sources such as the *Jan 6th* committee and that was a cut and paste to present a narrative.  The gaslighting continues to this day.

Tell me; how close did we come to losing democracy on that day?

ETA:  Jan 6th; a day that will live in hyperbole.

Edited January 7 by I_M4_AU

[Leftfield 2,676]

4 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

Disgusting act, I would agree.  Historically is hyperbole.

After being gaslite for three years as good white washing is in order.

The only *evidence* presented was from highly bias sources such as the *Jan 6th* committee and that was a cut and paste to present a narrative.  The gaslighting continues to this day.

Tell me; how close did we come to losing democracy on that day?

ETA:  Jan 6th; a day that will live in hyperbole.

So you watched the January 6th committee? What did they and the numerous Republican witnesses say or present that you disagree with?

Since when does the fact that the insurrection had almost no chance of succeeding make the fact they tried hyperbole? When did that goalpost move? You have the gall to accuse the media and decent society of gaslighting, yet here you are trying to pretend it was no big deal. What if Officer Goodman had not been able to divert the rioters away from the Senate chamber and they were able to get in before everyone was evacuated, and a Senator was injured or killed? Would that have been severe enough to prevent the accusation that we're "gaslighting?"

If a crowd of Democrats had done this, would you be saying the same thing?

You love to use the word "narrative", but you've bought Trump's and Fox News' hook, line, and sinker. I keep thinking there's no way you'll get more extreme, but you keep proving me wrong.

 

 

 

[homersapien 11,461]

On 1/6/2024 at 12:29 PM, Gowebb11 said:

Sorry, but you forgot that Covid was a hoax. Wasn’t even real. Our President told us so before a live audience. 

Never happened.  /s 

[homersapien 11,461]

On 1/6/2024 at 12:55 PM, I_M4_AU said:

Joe Biden has convinced a lot of peole that on Jan 6th, 2021 the Republic was moments away from being overtaken, yet he constantly says the right to bare arms is not to fight tyranny as the government has F-16s and nukes.  Of course, there were no weapons of war found on the protesters.  Do you believe this is true?

Biden has convinced a lot of people that White Supremacy is an existential threat to America.  Do you believe this is true?

Biden’s DOJ has investigated school board meeting for disruptive behavior because of an incident involving a father whose daughter was raped by a trans student and the school board tried to cover it up.  Is this something you would agree is normal?  How about trying to infiltrate the Catholic Church for fostering thoughts not conducive to the regime?

Do you believe that a child can change his/her sex just by plastic surgery?

Do you believe the mass border crossing we have seen in the last three years is due to climate change?

Do you believe every person that despises Biden is the enemy and should be scorned publicly?

Do you believe Biden’s actions involving his family are all on the up and up?  Do you believe we should investigate further before the election to determine his fitness for office?

If you believe any of the above; what flavor of Kool-aid are you drinking?

Well, if nothing else,  we exposed you as the wacko cultist you apparently are.

You remind me of the Trump rally MAGA interviews you can find on youtube.

 

[AURex 2,036]

On 1/6/2024 at 12:55 PM, I_M4_AU said:

"Joe Biden has convinced a lot of peole that on Jan 6th, 2021 the Republic was moments away from being overtaken, yet he constantly says the right to bare arms is not to fight tyranny as the government has F-16s and nukes."

Total nonsense! As a devout Democrat, I vehemently and aggressively and monumentally agree with Biden and support the right of all American peole to have bare arms!

 

 

 

[I_M4_AU 8,012]

1 hour ago, Leftfield said:

What did they and the numerous Republican witnesses say or present that you disagree with?

You mean the Republicans that testified without any cross from the defense, because the defense was not allowed?

1 hour ago, Leftfield said:

 

Since when does the fact that the insurrection had almost no chance of succeeding make the fact they tried hyperbole?

When it was dubbed an insurrection without due process, in other words hyperbole.  You do realize NO ONE has been accused of insurrection to date don’t you?

1 hour ago, Leftfield said:

What if

If ifs and buts where candy and nuts and you know the rest.

1 hour ago, Leftfield said:

If a crowd of Democrats had done this, would you be saying the same thing?

The Dems caused $2 bn of property damage and burned down police stations and court houses.  Seems there was no pushback for those actions, now the fact that this happened in DC I guess that is totally different.

[I_M4_AU 8,012]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Well, if nothing else,  we exposed you as the wacko cultist you apparently are.

You remind me of the Trump rally MAGA interviews you can find on youtube.

 

Do you still have me on ignore or have you weakened your stance.  Don’t give in now, you have nothing to add.

[AURex 2,036]

I don't have you on Ignore. I have you on Laughitron! hahaha

 

[Leftfield 2,676]

8 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

You mean the Republicans that testified without any cross from the defense, because the defense was not allowed?

Have any of those that testified stepped forward to claim that they were not allowed to disclose any exculpatory information or evidence, complain that they were taken out of context, or in any way say their testimony should be invalid? 

 

8 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

When it was dubbed an insurrection without due process, in other words hyperbole.  You do realize NO ONE has been accused of insurrection to date don’t you?

That's because people like you give Trump cover for it. He's a master at saying something without saying it. You and plenty of others know that, but still come to his defense with "well, he didn't actually SAY to attack the Capitol." It's a riskier charge to bring to court, especially considering three of the justices that will be hearing the case were appointed by Trump, so the charge is Conspiracy. I'll continue to call it what it was, and you go right ahead defending him.

 

8 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

If ifs and buts where candy and nuts and you know the rest.

So, evade...

 

8 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

The Dems caused $2 bn of property damage and burned down police stations and court houses.  Seems there was no pushback for those actions, now the fact that this happened in DC I guess that is totally different.

....and evade. With whataboutism, no less. 

[Leftfield 2,676]

9 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

When it was dubbed an insurrection without due process, in other words hyperbole. 

Also, keep in mind that "due process" can also involve a jury of peers. Why is a jury ever used? To help judge a person when the law breaks down, as it can when it comes to what a person said versus their actual intent. It's an attempt at justice when the letter of the law is insufficient, although it of course can be a double-edged sword. From all the information available to me, there is no doubt in my mind that Trump's intent was to cause any chaos he could in an attempt to stop Congress from certifying the election. Whether he actually intended to cause people to enter the Capitol, I can't say, but that's actually irrelevant. Trump set all the pieces in place and knew that something bad could, and almost certainly would, happen. He hoped for it. I'll even allow that he didn't expect it would go as far as it did, but then, why did he do absolutely nothing to stop it? 

Do you consider any of Trump's acts to be criminal? And I'm not just talking about his speech before the attack, I'm talking about all the steps he took in the weeks before that in an attempt to invalidate the election.

 

[I_M4_AU 8,012]

This woman is full on crazy….or is she talking the truth no one wants to hear?

 

 

[I_M4_AU 8,012]

37 minutes ago, Leftfield said:

Whether he actually intended to cause people to enter the Capitol, I can't say, but that's actually irrelevant.

Entering the Capitol was the insurrection part; how can you say it is irrelevant?

39 minutes ago, Leftfield said:

Trump set all the pieces in place and knew that something bad could, and almost certainly would, happen.

Trump suggested and offered to the Mayor of DC to have the National Guard there as a deterrent and she refused the help.  Yeah he knew something might happen and suggested a deterrent, is that his fault?  I see you think so.

42 minutes ago, Leftfield said:

Do you consider any of Trump's acts to be criminal?

No, stupid and childlike yes.  He had the right to question the results of the election just like all that have passed before him.  He has taken it further than anyone else and for that he is being prosecuted.  I thought he should have given up before January of 2021, but that’s just me.

 

[auburnatl1 5,102]

17 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

Disgusting act, I would agree.  Historically is hyperbole.

After being gaslite for three years as good white washing is in order.

The only *evidence* presented was from highly bias sources such as the *Jan 6th* committee and that was a cut and paste to present a narrative.  The gaslighting continues to this day.

Tell me; how close did we come to losing democracy on that day?

ETA:  Jan 6th; a day that will live in hyperbole.

It’s amazing how differently people see 1/6. I can’t decide if the people who watched it literally don’t see it as a big deal or are so enamored with trump that they will blame anyone/ everyone or minimize anything. The end justifies the means I guess. Again, I changed my affiliation from Republican to independent 2 months after it out of sheer disgust.

Maga always muscle memory changes this conversation to being about Biden. It isn’t.  This is purely about Trump. Again, there are other choices that have conservative values who aren’t self absorbed destructive. Whole mindset is beyond me to understand.

[I_M4_AU 8,012]

1 hour ago, auburnatl1 said:

It’s amazing how differently people see 1/6.

Just because you want Trump to be at fault doesn’t mean he is.  At that time Trump had the ability to command military intervention and none of that happened.  Ultimately there was a peaceful transfer of power, albeit delayed, but the system worked.  There was not a threat of the republic falling that day.  All the what ifs you can conjure didn’t happen and the law is not based on what ifs; conjecture and narratives are.

I’m pleased you are an independent.  If you could only think that way.

[Leftfield 2,676]

2 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

Entering the Capitol was the insurrection part; how can you say it is irrelevant?

Technically any uprising would be insurrection, but the reason it's irrelevant is that Trump's intent on having people enter the Capitol didn't matter as long as his intent was to do something to stop the vote. His actions caused it, whether they achieved what he was specifically wanting or not.

 

2 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

Trump suggested and offered to the Mayor of DC to have the National Guard there as a deterrent and she refused the help.  Yeah he knew something might happen and suggested a deterrent, is that his fault?  I see you think so.

So you're saying Trump deliberately caused circumstances that could lead to conflict of a scale that the National Guard might be needed? And instead of canceling the rally for the sake of public safety (knowing at that point there was no evidence of election fraud on a scale that would change the outcome, and privy to intelligence reports that showed some of the dangerous people and groups that planned to attend), he proceeded in an attempt to stop the vote? Interesting. 

Victim blaming is fun, amiright?

 

2 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

No, stupid and childlike yes.  He had the right to question the results of the election just like all that have passed before him.  He has taken it further than anyone else and for that he is being prosecuted.  I thought he should have given up before January of 2021, but that’s just me.

Of course he had the right to question the results, but this went far beyond that. Recall that Trump complained about election fraud months before the election even happened. He starting brainwashing people into expecting it. And I just don't see how you can say that setting up alternate slates of electors and trying to get public officials to commit fraud are not conspiratorial actions. Would you really say the same had it been a Democrat?