Time again for Political Compass Test

[DKW 86 7,423]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

OK......

Sorry you can’t read the polls. 

[homersapien 11,373]

1 minute ago, DKW 86 said:

Sorry you can’t read the polls. 

Yep, I can't read the polls. 

But thanks for your empathy. 

 

[SaltyTiger 7,803]

10 hours ago, homersapien said:

I don't understand the second paragraph. You'll need to explain.

Just my attempt to dig at you for suggesting I “may be part of the problem”. Sorry about that and know you are delicate. You are harmless Brother Homer.

[homersapien 11,373]

4 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Just my attempt to dig at you for suggesting I “may be part of the problem.  Sorry about that and know you are delicate. You are harmless Brother Homer.

Sorry you took that so personally Salty, I genuinely meant it as a general rhetorical statement.  As in, "If one doesn't see the the threat posed by Trump then they may be part of the problem". 

I didn't mean to imply that characterizes you personally. But seeing how as I was responding to your post -  I completely understand how the wording made you think I was. And for that, I apologize. 

I think/assume you (probably) do recognize Trump as a severe danger to our democracy - based on his actions Jan. 6, if nothing else. (This is your chance to confirm or deny that.)

If I am wrong and the "shoe does fit", then wear it.

Edited January 23 by homersapien

[homersapien 11,373]

11 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Just my attempt to dig at you for suggesting I “may be part of the problem”. Sorry about that and know you are delicate. You are harmless Brother Homer.

And I am certainly not "delicate" - just the opposite.

So I don't know where your going with that, but it's pretty weak if meant as an insult.

 

Edited January 24 by homersapien

[CoffeeTiger 5,108]

On 1/20/2024 at 1:00 PM, DKW 86 said:

 

Yet votes and financial support  for "independent" Candidates and third parties are no higher than they've ever been.

 

More people than ever may identify as Independent but all their money and support still only goes to the 2 major parties. 

[SaltyTiger 7,803]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Sorry you took that so personally Salty, I genuinely meant it as a general rhetorical statement.  As in, "If one doesn't see the the threat posed by Trump then they may be part of the problem". 

I didn't mean to imply that characterizes you personally. But seeing how as I was responding to your post -  I completely understand how the wording made you think I was. And for that, I apologize. 

I think/assume you (probably) do recognize Trump as a severe danger to our democracy - based on his actions Jan. 6, if nothing else. (This is your chance to confirm or deny that.)

If I am wrong and the "shoe does fit", then wear it.

At times I think the danger is exaggerated……then I think back to the Sh*tbags Helsinki performance.

[auburnatl1 4,914]

10 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

At times I think the danger is exaggerated……then I think back to the Sh*tbags Helsinki performance.

He’s older, grumpier, set on revenge, and won’t be worried about being on good behavior for a reelection run.  Plus he’’d still be in litigation from his current indictments. Imo it’d be total chaos with the constitution being challenged weekly.  Yippee.

[homersapien 11,373]

6 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

At times I think the danger is exaggerated……then I think back to the Sh*tbags Helsinki performance.

That's what many of the Jews in Germany thought.

[auburnatl1 4,914]

21 minutes ago, homersapien said:

That's what many of the Jews in Germany thought.

Homer…

[homersapien 11,373]

15 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

Homer…

It's true.  Many Jews thought Hitler's hyberbolic rhetoric on Jews would attenuate when/if he actually assumed power. Granted, that was rationalization meant to avoid or deny the reality - which was difficult to accept. 

But the analogy holds.  Trump supporters are either in denial or they are willing fascists. They both lead to the same outcome.

Edited January 24 by homersapien

[SaltyTiger 7,803]

6 hours ago, auburnatl1 said:

He’s older, grumpier, set on revenge,

Thought you were talking about Brother Homer with the start……thanks for clarifying 

[auburnatl1 4,914]

5 minutes ago, homersapien said:

It's true.  They thought the rhetoric was simply that.

Germany at that time had no history of democracy and its people were literally starving post ww1/ depression.

I understand your concern and trump is definitely a head case but the Hitler thing maybe hyperbole. Ps one important aspect of the US military is its oath:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States

[SaltyTiger 7,803]

33 minutes ago, homersapien said:

That's what many of the Jews in Germany thought.

Yep, you make the Hitler/MAGA comparison regularly. Maybe time for new material?

[homersapien 11,373]

14 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

Germany at that time had no history of democracy and its people were literally starving post ww1/ depression.

I understand your concern and trump is definitely a head case but the Hitler thing maybe hyperbole. Ps one important aspect of the US military is its oath:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States

Don't misunderstand me.  I am not implying that Trump would- or even could succeed.  I agree with you that's not possible given our tradition, history and establishments.

I was responding solely to the sentiment that "the danger is exaggerated". 

Another Trump presidency will cause untold political chaos, both domestically and globally, social and economic damage and possibly violence.  That comment triggered a memory from my reading of history concerning the rise of the Nazi takeover of Germany.

Regardless of their recent political history, Germans were a highly educated and advanced society.  It doesn't hurt to study how it happened.

 

 

Edited January 24 by homersapien

[auburnatl1 4,914]

36 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Don't misunderstand me.  I am not implying that Trump would- or even could succeed.  I agree with you that's not possible given our tradition, history and establishments.

I was responding solely to the sentiment that "the danger is exaggerated". 

Another Trump presidency will cause untold political chaos, both domestically and globally, social and economic damage and possibly violence.  That comment triggered a memory from my reading of history concerning the rise of the Nazi takeover of Germany.

Regardless of their recent political history, Germans were a highly educated and advanced society.  It doesn't hurt to study how it happened.

 

 

I agree with your key phrase - chaos. It’s not healthy for government, society, foreign policy, or the economy.  It fatigues and it’s dangerous. 

[jj3jordan 2,053]

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

Don't misunderstand me.  I am not implying that Trump would- or even could succeed.  I agree with you that's not possible given our tradition, history and establishments.

I was responding solely to the sentiment that "the danger is exaggerated". 

Another Trump presidency will cause untold political chaos, both domestically and globally, social and economic damage and possibly violence.  That comment triggered a memory from my reading of history concerning the rise of the Nazi takeover of Germany.

Regardless of their recent political history, Germans were a highly educated and advanced society.  It doesn't hurt to study how it happened.

 

 

There will be chaos because the democrats will cause it. They went 70 something years of Trumps life without causing the chaos they started when Trump announced. Global chaos? Not if we don’t have it here. And we won’t if the democrats don’t cause it. 
Economic damage? Yes if the democrats challenge every single proposition in federal court just to hold them up, even if they are advantageous to the country.  
Social damage? You mean jobs, money, low taxes, and advances in status? We had that pre-Covid. We are safe then, since you think anybody but a Trump hater is uneducated and brainwashed.

[auburnatl1 4,914]

2 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

There will be chaos because the democrats will cause it. They went 70 something years of Trumps life without causing the chaos they started when Trump announced. Global chaos? Not if we don’t have it here. And we won’t if the democrats don’t cause it. 
Economic damage? Yes if the democrats challenge every single proposition in federal court just to hold them up, even if they are advantageous to the country.  
Social damage? You mean jobs, money, low taxes, and advances in status? We had that pre-Covid. We are safe then, since you think anybody but a Trump hater is uneducated and brainwashed.

Once again - anything and I mean anything Trump has countlessly screwed up is  someone else’s fault.  From 1/6 to pornstars, 100% never fails.

[arein0 956]

2 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

There will be chaos because the democrats will cause it. They went 70 something years of Trumps life without causing the chaos they started when Trump announced. Global chaos? Not if we don’t have it here. And we won’t if the democrats don’t cause it. 
Economic damage? Yes if the democrats challenge every single proposition in federal court just to hold them up, even if they are advantageous to the country.  
Social damage? You mean jobs, money, low taxes, and advances in status? We had that pre-Covid. We are safe then, since you think anybody but a Trump hater is uneducated and brainwashed.

Party of "accountability" 

[DKW 86 7,423]

On 1/22/2024 at 7:46 PM, homersapien said:

Yep, I can't read the polls. 

No, you can’t. Almost 60% of all Americans do not want trump nor Biden. They don’t want either. Sitting here and recycling talking points for either of them is a waste of time. We know who they are and what they have done and what they will do. The vast majority of Americans do not want them. If this is the best the two parties can do then we don’t need them either. 

[DKW 86 7,423]

On 1/23/2024 at 11:28 AM, CoffeeTiger said:

 

Yet votes and financial support  for "independent" Candidates and third parties are no higher than they've ever been.

 

More people than ever may identify as Independent but all their money and support still only goes to the 2 major parties. 

I think we just need viable candidates. I am not against the two parties, IF they wake up and give us real candidates. Right now we are getting two corpses no one wants. If the two parties can’t do anything better than these two consummate losers, then maybe we need viable third parties. 

[auburnatl1 4,914]

2 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

I think we just need viable candidates. I am not against the two parties, IF they wake up and give us real candidates. Right now we are getting two corpses no one wants. If the two parties can’t do anything better than these two consummate losers, then maybe we need viable third parties. 

An issue I have with “no labels” is its name. Meaningless, whimsical, and reactive. Call it the moderate, labor, sanity, whatever party. Be serious about it, get funding and launch it. 

[I_M4_AU 7,832]

23 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

An issue I have with “no labels” is its name. Meaningless, whimsical, and reactive. Call it the moderate, labor, sanity, whatever party. Be serious about it, get funding and launch it. 

Names can be changed as the party is defined.

[DKW 86 7,423]

3 hours ago, auburnatl1 said:

An issue I have with “no labels” is its name. Meaningless, whimsical, and reactive. Call it the moderate, labor, sanity, whatever party. Be serious about it, get funding and launch it. 

They are supposed to have $30-60M in funding already. Might be BS, but that was their first statements. 

[AU9377 4,931]

I have become more conservative this year.