So, how's that repeal effort working out for you, Republicans?

[RunInRed 16,420]

Sounds typical of a socialist state.

Yes, because $7MM Americans buying private health insurance through a competitive marketplace is so, you know, socialistic.

[Elephant Tipper 430]

Sounds typical of a socialist state.

Yes, because $7MM Americans buying private health insurance through a competitive marketplace is so, you know, socialistic.

BS ! Your "competitive marketplace" is anything but competitive. Due to the ACA my family premium increased 68% and deductible increased 33%. No significant difference in coverage and no change in quality of health of my family. Before Obamacare we had annual premium increases in the 5% +/- range while maintaining the same low deductible.

Keep on with that Obamacare propaganda though Red.

[japantiger 4,051]

That is still 826,200 people who now have health insurance. It is a step.

So by your reasoning and this math; we kicked 6.3m off their plans and forced them to by more expensive; higher deductable plans...and all this is justified because we gave 800k insurance? And, we've just delayed doing that for the rest of the 90m families that are insured due to the various extra-legislative delays...so the same will happen to a large part of those 90m...and all this is justified because we gave 800k insurance? Really? That's your idea of a step? In any other endeavor in the history of humankind, this would be called a catastrophe. I would love to sell to you if this is the same logic and cost/benefit analysis you apply to your families purchase decisions.

[Tigermike 3,031]

Sounds typical of a socialist state.

Yes, because $7MM Americans buying private health insurance through a competitive marketplace is so, you know, socialistic.

How many of those had insurance before but changed because,,,, they couldn't keep their old insurance. How many people are still uninsured?

[RunInRed 16,420]

Sounds typical of a socialist state.

Yes, because $7MM Americans buying private health insurance through a competitive marketplace is so, you know, socialistic.

BS ! Your "competitive marketplace" is anything but competitive. Due to the ACA my family premium increased 68% and deductible increased 33%. No significant difference in coverage and no change in quality of health of my family. Before Obamacare we had annual premium increases in the 5% +/- range while maintaining the same low deductible.

Keep on with that Obamacare propaganda though Red.

Do you get your insurance now through the exchanges?

[autigeremt 6,636]

Sounds typical of a socialist state.

Yes, because $7MM Americans buying private health insurance through a competitive marketplace is so, you know, socialistic.

BS ! Your "competitive marketplace" is anything but competitive. Due to the ACA my family premium increased 68% and deductible increased 33%. No significant difference in coverage and no change in quality of health of my family. Before Obamacare we had annual premium increases in the 5% +/- range while maintaining the same low deductible.

Keep on with that Obamacare propaganda though Red.

Do you get your insurance now through the exchanges?

Medicaid isn't exchanges. It's taxpayer subsidies. It's pretty obvious to me that this country is made up of Democrats and Republicans and not Americans. This law, and the think tankers who came up with it (on both sides at some point), are full of crap. Support it all you want, but it's a one sided approach.

[icanthearyou 4,463]

That is still 826,200 people who now have health insurance. It is a step.

So by your reasoning and this math; we kicked 6.3m off their plans and forced them to by more expensive; higher deductable plans...and all this is justified because we gave 800k insurance? And, we've just delayed doing that for the rest of the 90m families that are insured due to the various extra-legislative delays...so the same will happen to a large part of those 90m...and all this is justified because we gave 800k insurance? Really? That's your idea of a step? In any other endeavor in the history of humankind, this would be called a catastrophe. I would love to sell to you if this is the same logic and cost/benefit analysis you apply to your families purchase decisions.

We were on an unsustainable path. Doing nothing was not an option. I do not understand how you consider a step in the right direction a catastrophe.

[autigeremt 6,636]

Doing nothing was unsustainable. ObamaCare is unsustainable. Getting it right in DC is impossible. It's a lose, lose, lose.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

You don't replace a problem with a bigger problem.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

Getting more people on Medicare and Medicade is not good. it just hastens the time period when they are bankrupt and unsustainable That's when a lot of you young and middle age people will be in deep trouble.

[icanthearyou 4,463]

Getting more people on Medicare and Medicade is not good. it just hastens the time period when they are bankrupt and unsustainable That's when a lot of you young and middle age people will be in deep trouble.

Reference please.

[autigeremt 6,636]

http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/facts/blog/2014/01/medicaid-chip-determinations-december.html

Key quote from this report:

Because of the Affordable Care Act, many consumers can enroll in new affordable private health insurance options in the Health Insurance Marketplace, and many others are now eligible for their state’s Medicaid or CHIP programs.

[autigeremt 6,636]

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2013/november/06/stateline-medicaid-enrollment-increases-by-state.aspx

Key quote from this article:

States are reporting far higher enrollment in Medicaid than in private insurance since the Affordable Care Act exchanges opened Oct. 1. In Maryland, for example, the number of newly eligible Medicaid enrollees is more than 25 times the number of people signed up for private coverage.

[autigeremt 6,636]

http://www.philly.com/philly/health/20131124_Medicaid_enrollment_up_thanks_to_Obamacare.html

Key quote from this article:

Nine out of 10 new Obamacare enrollees have signed up for Medicaid, the Washington Post reports, compared to only "a trickle of sign-ups for private insurance."

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/health/20131124_Medicaid_enrollment_up_thanks_to_Obamacare.html#1DGIH7MfeRcbQqa4.99

[TheBlueVue 177]

Obama continues to pass the expense of his signature legislation onto businesses. Has there ever been a president more willing to target businesses to finance his agenda than BHO?

http://freebeacon.com/issues/employers-say-obamacare-will-cost-them-5000-more-per-employee/

And there are some in this forum who insist the cost of care isn't going up any more than normal. LOL

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

After reading thru this thread and thinking about the situation we find ourselves in, I would suggest that RIR ask doctors, not Republicans, what they think. Aso I would love to ask RIR a few years down the road how he and his family have faired under Obamacare.

[RunInRed 16,420]

After reading thru this thread and thinking about the situation we find ourselves in, I would suggest that RIR ask doctors, not Republicans, what they think. Aso I would love to ask RIR a few years down the road how he and his family have faired under Obamacare.

Keeping it local, from a world-renowned doctor right here in the State of Alabama:

I think, overall, it's (Affordable Care Act) a good thing. Number one, it will put, generally speaking, more people into insurance plans, be it Medicaid or some other kind of plan. And it creates more options. In essence, there's more money flowing to hospitals and clinics and flowing to cover the costs of medications. The bottom line is, it's a good thing.

http://www.thebodypr...e-care-act.html

Dr. Michael Saag Bio: http://www.positivethebook.com/#about / http://en.wikipedia....ki/Michael_Saag

More broadly ...

Major physician groups, including the American Medical Association and the American Academy of Family Physicians say they continue to support the Obamacare: http://www.forbes.co...emboldened-gop/

...

Top Harvard doctors: Supporting Obamacare ‘makes moral and medical sense’: http://www.rawstory....-medical-sense/

...

Physician groups support the Affordable Care Act (ACA) because it will improve health care for our patients. Doctors care about patients, and we support laws that help us do our work for patients—laws that protect those to whom we’ve dedicated our careers. By helping us provide better care, the ACA will make your healthcare better. http://npalliance.org/blog/2012/11/04/why-physician-groups-support-the-affordable-care-act/

[jj3jordan 2,053]

I would love for Harry Reid to just bring the bill to the floor of the Senate for a vote. But he won't, why?

[DKW 86 7,425]

Here's his latest tally:

• Qualified health plans (via exchanges): 7.1 million
  
• Medicaid expansion: 4.7 million
  
• Medicaid "woodworkers": 1.8 million (always eligible but didn't know it until ACA)
  
• Sub-26ers: 2.5-3.1 million
  

That's at least 16 million right there who wouldn't have affordable health insurance if it was up to Republicans (even the woodworkers, since Republicans want to slash Medicaid, too). And that number will keep on growing, as there is no deadline for new Medicaid recipients. Not to mention we'll have a new enrollment period opening up in just six months or so.

And this is what i was looking for. 16M is impressive. A repeal will never happen. It is best to get to work to fix the bad stuff and fill in the gaps.

[TheBlueVue 177]

Here's his latest tally:

• Qualified health plans (via exchanges): 7.1 million
  
• Medicaid expansion: 4.7 million
  
• Medicaid "woodworkers": 1.8 million (always eligible but didn't know it until ACA)
  
• Sub-26ers: 2.5-3.1 million
  

That's at least 16 million right there who wouldn't have affordable health insurance if it was up to Republicans (even the woodworkers, since Republicans want to slash Medicaid, too). And that number will keep on growing, as there is no deadline for new Medicaid recipients. Not to mention we'll have a new enrollment period opening up in just six months or so.

And this is what i was looking for. 16M is impressive. A repeal will never happen. It is best to get to work to fix the bad stuff and fill in the gaps.

You cannot claim that the medicaid enrollees would not have had insurance if not for ObamaCare. That's simply FALSE. Medicaid enrollment happens every year. ObamaCare was NOT the origination of Medicaid folks but nice try. Additionally, the sub 26 number is very arbitrary and is not a confirmed number. The govt spent $684 million tax player dollars, mandated participation and plans to fine those who do not sign up and democrats are crowing about signing up 2% of the population while 31 million citizens remain uninsured.. Evidently, it doesn't take much to get you folks all giddy.

RiR whines about those mean ole republicans wanting to cut Medicaid but Obama has already cut over $700 million from Medicare. I guess its OK to cut care to older folks just not to poor ones.

[DKW 86 7,425]

There's now a path forward for the uninsured ... one that didn't exist before President Obama took office. No one said this law was perfect and that there hasn't been many false-starts and setbacks along the way. But ask yourself this: When's the last time a President, or any elected leader, took a domestic problem this big, this complex, this hard, and addressed it? Again, is the solution perfect? No. But we're clearly moving in the right direction.

So the only thing we're 'celebrating' today is the fact progress is evident ... the solution implemented has proven viable ... and now, the opportunity to make more progress, exist.

To steal a campaign slogan: Forward.

The law is imperfect. It needs work, and that is the way forward from here.

The website was a disaster. And quite a few folks have reasonably gotten their feathers ruffled over the "Like your plan, Keep your plan" pledge not being exactly as advertised. It was closer to outright lie in some instances. I do not have the same plan i had in early 2010. The law has been modified 38 times because of all the screw ups and political damage caused by how it was enacted. BUT, in the long run, i know, you know, and you will come to know people that you love and care for will have basic healthcare that they did not have before. I like the idea, but getting here was not a smooth ride by any means. The politics looked more like a knife fight on both sides. There were flat out lies told by both sides. But in the final version we will see about 2016 or so, there will be heroes coming forth to fix the thing and make it fairer for all.

[TheBlueVue 177]

There's now a path forward for the uninsured ... one that didn't exist before President Obama took office. No one said this law was perfect and that there hasn't been many false-starts and setbacks along the way. But ask yourself this: When's the last time a President, or any elected leader, took a domestic problem this big, this complex, this hard, and addressed it? Again, is the solution perfect? No. But we're clearly moving in the right direction.

So the only thing we're 'celebrating' today is the fact progress is evident ... the solution implemented has proven viable ... and now, the opportunity to make more progress, exist.

To steal a campaign slogan: Forward.

The law is imperfect. It needs work, and that is the way forward from here.

The website was a disaster. And quite a few folks have reasonably gotten their feathers ruffled over the "Like your plan, Keep your plan" pledge not being exactly as advertised. It was closer to outright lie in some instances. I do not have the same plan i had in early 2010. The law has been modified 38 times because of all the screw ups and political damage caused by how it was enacted. BUT, in the long run, i know, you know, and you will come to know people that you love and care for will have basic healthcare that they did not have before. I like the idea, but getting here was not a smooth ride by any means. The politics looked more like a knife fight on both sides. There were flat out lies told by both sides. But in the final version we will see about 2016 or so, there will be heroes coming forth to fix the thing and make it fairer for all.

I really dont see how it can be said we're moving n the right direction when doctors and hospitals are opting out. The coverage of 6.2 million people was cancelled after repeated promises were made that would not happen. The cost to replace those policies comes at a higher price, with higher deductibles and shrinking networks limiting patient choices. It has saddled doctors with new costs because the law is so expansive most have had to hire additional staff to make sure they're compliant and this is just the beginning.

Obama took on healthcare because he believes and agrees with Vladimir Lenin..."Socialized healthcare is the keystone to the arch of a socialist state"

This is all about politics and it is supremely naive to think Obama really cares about anything other than the power the law accrues to the federal govt, He is really big on immigration now because once all the illegal immigrants get their amnesty the democrats will never lose another election because they'll ALL vote democrat and he knows that.

[DKW 86 7,425]

There's now a path forward for the uninsured ... one that didn't exist before President Obama took office. No one said this law was perfect and that there hasn't been many false-starts and setbacks along the way. But ask yourself this: When's the last time a President, or any elected leader, took a domestic problem this big, this complex, this hard, and addressed it? Again, is the solution perfect? No. But we're clearly moving in the right direction.

So the only thing we're 'celebrating' today is the fact progress is evident ... the solution implemented has proven viable ... and now, the opportunity to make more progress, exist.

To steal a campaign slogan: Forward.

The law is imperfect. It needs work, and that is the way forward from here.

The website was a disaster. And quite a few folks have reasonably gotten their feathers ruffled over the "Like your plan, Keep your plan" pledge not being exactly as advertised. It was closer to outright lie in some instances. I do not have the same plan i had in early 2010. The law has been modified 38 times because of all the screw ups and political damage caused by how it was enacted. BUT, in the long run, i know, you know, and you will come to know people that you love and care for will have basic healthcare that they did not have before. I like the idea, but getting here was not a smooth ride by any means. The politics looked more like a knife fight on both sides. There were flat out lies told by both sides. But in the final version we will see about 2016 or so, there will be heroes coming forth to fix the thing and make it fairer for all.

I really dont see how it can be said we're moving n the right direction when doctors and hospitals are opting out. The coverage of 6.2 million people was cancelled after repeated promises were made that would not happen. The cost to replace those policies comes at a higher price, with higher deductibles and shrinking networks limiting patient choices. It has saddled doctors with new costs because the law is so expansive most have had to hire additional staff to make sure they're compliant and this is just the beginning.

Obama took on healthcare because he believes and agrees with Vladimir Lenin..."Socialized healthcare is the keystone to the arch of a socialist state"

This is all about politics and it is supremely naive to think Obama really cares about anything other than the power the law accrues to the federal govt, He is really big on immigration now because once all the illegal immigrants get their amnesty the democrats will never lose another election because they'll ALL vote democrat and he knows that.

Last i looked:

http://healthpolicy.stanford.edu/news/china_provides_universal_health_insurance_at_a_fraction_of_the_cost_20120502/

"This week, officials approved a five-year plan to develop a comprehensive nationwide social security network."

IOW, China does not have SS even today.

"The majority of China’s citizens were uninsured during the past few decades of very rapid social and economic development."

IOW, China didnt have universal healthcare or anything like it since 1980 until recently.

Healthcare for the poor, and elderly is just compassion. I help you today and you help me tomorrow.

It really isnt that much a socialist idea at all. Real communist countries didnt really care about their citizens.

[RunInRed 16,420]

You're killing it DKW ... always appreciate your perspective. War Eagle, brother.

[CCTAU 3,327]

It doesn't matter how many you sign up that didn't have insurance before, if you had to screw somebody else out of theirs to get it.

This is a concept lost on the left!