Rhett leaves AU / New OC discussion (Merged)

[oracle79 3,569]

I can only imagine the conversations between PTB and JJ, and then JJ and GM.  Auburn could screw up an anvil with a glass hammer.

[AUsince72 11,084]

12 minutes ago, DAG said:

I say cut our losses and get Gilbert here Pronto. If we can't poach him from USF,we have bigger problems. Get his ass here to settle the players down, stabilize our potential recruits till NSD and give a call to Joey , keeping him on board.

Frankly, his bio reads like he's KB's big brother.  He may actually have as much tutelage from Art as Kendal does.

[AUwent 3,754]

9 minutes ago, oracle79 said:

I can only imagine the conversations between PTB and JJ, and then JJ and GM.  Auburn could screw up an anvil with a glass hammer.

JJ ruins everything. 

[JGLEATON 1,244]

54 minutes ago, corchjay said:

Offense is still a good/great offense just needs a talented QB as all offenses do.  When Sean is healthy the offense is fine when he's not and he's been hurt to much then it falls off just like everyone's offense.   What do you think happens in that championship game if Watson got hurt and knocked out of the game on that clothesline from foster early in the game.  Bama cake walks something like 45-10.

^^^ This... remember Bama vs.Texas BCS game they knocked the QB out early and Texas never really had a chance after except the back up hung in there pretty well... 

and

One thing I haven't really heard mentioned that I think will be important with whoever the new OC is... is that since Cam I don't really think we've had a QB we've let check off at all on the line of scrimmage...  I think Nick improvised from busted plays, but most everything called and checked to has come from the side line...

I think with the Stidham and even with Sean (and hopefully the other QB's as they develop) and as they implement / add new elements to the current system and especially the passing attack utilizing ALL the receivers along with the HB AND TE (and running backs)... adding that to a solid running game,

...that the new OC will have an advantage of NOW using the hurry up, added passing options (the Deep ball will be available with Stidham) and not just a more balanced attack, but an offense that can attack any defense in a MUCH more unexpected fashion...

and that new OC HAS the tools he needs to execute it and the ability to call what he needs during the game (and make adjustments) according to the overall game plan.

think about after this...

a big play / gain and a first down when going hurry up... instead of running THE SAME play (or just a dive up the middle)... the QB has the option to call a quick out or a shot down field if he reads the D hasn't got it covered... burn... The first team we do that to will NEVER expect it. and if executed well, the next teams still won't be able to stop it.

I'd love it if the man implementing this going forward the next few years was Gilbert....
 

[DAG 33,993]

17 minutes ago, AUsince72 said:

Frankly, his bio reads like he's KB's big brother.  He may actually have as much tutelage from Art as Kendal does.

Even better 

[doc4aday 1,887]

11 hours ago, Eagle-1 said:

I agree. As I said his pedigree is much higher than any name I've heard mentioned. He does have the issue however of being a single parent to two teenage children, since the untimely death of his wife. Has got to be hard to manage as much time as coaching demands at that level. 

Hey Eagle! Hope you are having a great day. It has been sad at my home in that my 11 year old Welsh Corgi had a bad seizure last night and we are pretty much having her in hospice. She is my "War Damn Corgi", in that when I would get excited when we made a good play in a game, she barks and runs around the room all full of love for her beloved Auburn Tigers. She has an Auburn collar that she guards with her life. I have to be careful when I bath her with taking it off in that if I do not do it the way she likes, she will bite me in a second. She rarely breaks the skin, but she is telling me to be a bit more careful removing it. As soon as she is totally dry, she demands that I put it back on her. We will likely need to put her to rest this coming Monday. She is ready to run and play with all of God's critters in Heaven.

 

OK, sorry to go on about Belle, but she means the worlds to me. I understand about being a single parent indeed. One thing that should be a very positive point would be to come to Auburn in that there are few places in college football that offers something rival to Camelot; Auburn, Alabama. If he is thinking about taking the job, he should be made aware of the family friendly, Auburn, Al.

[auburntiger1987 759]

59 minutes ago, steeleagle said:

add me to that list then. lol. I have seen this whole thread with all the names mentioned, and I cant get a feel for what hire JJ would get cold feet on..unless the new name cropping up just started getting mention on here today....

If it's not Art them who else would it be.... his son and it's been all over this thread and several others

[doc4aday 1,887]

1 hour ago, GwillMac6 said:

http://www.arkansasnews.com/article/20151207/SPORTS/312079961

Why would we want Enos? His offense was horrible when we played him. We need a spread offense commander that can make the GusSpread run to perfection.

[TitanTiger 20,498]

36 minutes ago, doc4aday said:

Why would we want Enos? His offense was horrible when we played him. We need a spread offense commander that can make the GusSpread run to perfection.

I agree, but Enos is one of the best in the business at the style he runs. Great QB coach. Arky's problem is that their OL was trash this year. Absolute hot garbage. 

[doc4aday 1,887]

Just now, TitanTiger said:

I agree, but Enos is one of the best in the business at the style he runs. Great QB coach. Arky's problem is that their OL was trash this year. Absolute hot garbage. 

I still think we need an OC that has a lot of experience with the spread offense. Sterling Gilbert is my top choice with Mark Helfrich. There are others out there that might make a great OC. It is too bad that we cannot make it work with Art Briles. A remote chance, but one that could work would be to hire out Kiffin from FAU and pay him a better salary that he is making at FAU. Maybe a deal with getting Kendall Briles in the process. This would require losing or moving an offensive coach to another position.

 

I know was well as you and most others that the Kiffin plan would never get off of the runway. It would make Saban go off of the deep end. We want a coach who can beat Uga and bammer. Kiffin could make this work. 

[VipersStrike1 230]

1 hour ago, aujeff11 said:

I am relieved that we thought Lindsey didn't have enough experience though because...he didn't.

Not to go Cpt Obvious here but Kendal has no more experience than Lindsey and most of us would love to steal him away from Kiffin.

[thaitopher 807]

2 hours ago, steeleagle said:

PM has update on OC search (take it for what's its worth) 

- It won't be a Briles, will have more experience than Lindsey & Helfrich is out of the running (no info if he turned it down or what) 

- New OC will run Malzahn's system but be asked to modernize the pass offense 

- OC won't necessarily be a QB coach though that is preferred. If not a QB coach expect more staff changes 

- It's expected he will run the offense & call the plays 

- Stidham was disappointed Lashlee left but is at AU to stay 

- Returning offensive talent makes job attractive to candidates 
 

Typical PM. If you read this closely you realize there is pretty much no substance to any of this. Most of  the posters in here could have said all of this.

[DAG 33,993]

9 minutes ago, VipersStrike1 said:

Not to go Cpt Obvious here but Kendal has no more experience than Lindsey and most of us would love to steal him away from Kiffin.

Experience was the factor that our insiders said was the very reason KB wasnt selected.  Also KB has a wildcard in his back pocket.  His father . By saying this they pretty much had to eliminate Lindsay, if true. 

I for one think the compliance of it all was the deciding factor for the briles 

[aufan57 922]

I would hope Auburn is giving Jeff Scott a serious look. Co-OC for Current National Champs. Great WR coach. Outstanding recruiter.

[GwillMac6 20,685]

1 hour ago, doc4aday said:

Why would we want Enos? His offense was horrible when we played him. We need a spread offense commander that can make the GusSpread run to perfection.

he is a passing game and qb guru. look what he turned brandon allen in to. a average sec qb for 2 years in to a really good one. Austen allen looks really good as well.  He is the qb coach and passing coordinator gus needs. Titan is right they are hot garbage on the OL.

[ScottsboroAuburnFan 462]

Must be proficient play caller, to run the Gus running attack and update the passing attack. I'm not sure Enos is that guy.

[doc4aday 1,887]

Is he a serious candidate that Gus is considering? Or his Enos just another candidate that has been thrown into the mix much like others we have seen pop up here and there? I do like Sterling Gilbert very much, or is he another candidate that popped up on the radar like others on our wish list? I wish Ellitor could put together a list of likely candidates that Gus is going to choose from.

[ScottsboroAuburnFan 462]

Doc, it's just like the DB coach and just like when Steele was hired. They guy hired was on nobodys list... 

[GwillMac6 20,685]

19 minutes ago, ScottsboroAuburnFan said:

Must be proficient play caller, to run the Gus running attack and update the passing attack. I'm not sure Enos is that guy.

excellent play caller what makes you think that?

[AUld fAUx@ 2,584]

4 hours ago, Mike4AU said:

It's not difficult to connect the dots. 

Honest?

Never been good at it,

but that's just me.

[PigskinPat 2,579]

4 hours ago, Mike4AU said:

It's not difficult to connect the dots. 

 

4 hours ago, AUDevil said:

Oh really?  Most of us can't.  What hire would JJ get cold feet about that's not Art Briles?  

I'd also like to hear your analysis of what gave JJ cold feet.

[AlaskanFAN 1,666]

This reminds me of taking long road trips as a kid, except instead of me and my sister asking my dad "are we there yet or when are we going to get their?" We all are asking who the new OC will be. Man I miss those trips. I think I am going to call my sister. 

[aujeff11 6,243]

1 hour ago, VipersStrike1 said:

Not to go Cpt Obvious here but Kendal has no more experience than Lindsey and most of us would love to steal him away from Kiffin.

Look at my conversations with Titan. I want nothing to do with KB.

[bigbird 60,554]

16 minutes ago, AUinTLoosa said:

Honest?

Never been good at it,

but that's just me.

Obviously its a sailboat

[AUld fAUx@ 2,584]

4 hours ago, AlaskanFAN said:

I have been thinking about and I will throw this out there. I don't have answers, I just like to stimulate conversation.

When Gus 1st went Arkansas in 2006 his offense was successful because is was new, inventive caught the SEC off guard and got them to the SEC championship game. It is was believed to be hamstrung the last few games by Houston Nutt possibly being a cause of them loosing the last 3 games.

2007 and 2008 at Tulsa his offenses lead the nation. He is allowed to run his offense completely with out restrictions. 

When he came to Auburn the 1st time in 2009 The running and passing game picked up, Chris Todd and his broke arm had a career year. 2010 with much help from Cam Neton we won the SEC/NC. After that we know how things went. 

2013 he comes back we reach the NCG. Yet after that the offense slowly dies. 

And now here we sit. 

The years of success Gus has had really are 2006, 07, 08, 10, 13. 

In 06 his offense was innovative but he never was able to truly unleash it because of Houston Nutt.

At Tulsa in 07 and 08 he released his offense and was gone before coaches in the AAC could adapt.

At Auburn in 10 he had Cam.

2013 he comes back but SEC coaches have seen his variety of offenses in 06, 09, 10, players are more athletic, can adapt faster and the HUNH type offense had become more popular. He has seen what works and does not. He tweeks the offense, also has one of the great plays in Auburn history - The Prayer at Jordan-Hare and the greatest play to ever end a college football game - The Kick Six and boom back in the NC game.

Then 14, 15 and 16.

So to me, his best seasons have always been a flash in the pan. Catching a conference off guard and leaving before the conference defenses have a chance to adapt. (See Nick Saban Defenses adapting for understanding, heck see Saban offenses for that matter also). Also he has had a lot of luck or miracle or supremely well executed plays, depending on you point of view. 

So is hiring someone from the Gus tree a flash in the pan type situation? Catch to Conference off guard the first year but after that, not gonna happen. Bye bye Gus.

What about hiring a former HC. Flash in the pan, because they are only going to around for a year. 

In the what have you done for me lately college football world how is possible to avoid this. 

 

 

One might take the highlighted situations above, extend them across a career thus far, and come to a completely different conclusion as to causation of the trajectory.