Insiders Hearing Anything? (Threads Merged)

[TigerOne 1,148]

21 minutes ago, ellitor said:

If true it Needs context though, especially in relation to Bama. Nowhere near the enrollment numbers as Bama, higher cost, & less schollies given means a lot less people apply to AU than Bama.

Auburn has enrollment caps which have slowly been going upward. Over 20,000 applicants last  year but Auburn usually only takes 4-5 thousand that qualify. Auburn could easily have 35,000 students or more. Uat takes and wants as many as they can get.

[AUApostle 7,651]

6 minutes ago, bigbird said:

Cristobal

Napier

Elliot

Freeze

Baby Briles

I'd take the first 3 without hesitation and be happy with the 4th and 5th. All 4 are substantial upgrades to Gus.

 

Jay Tate’s Brain Drain episode on the AuburnSports podcast had a caller at the top of the segment that knew his stuff and talked at length about your top 3.  Good stuff.  Podcast was posted on Sunday.

[bigbird 60,573]

31 minutes ago, AUDevil said:

Jay Tate’s Brain Drain episode on the AuburnSports podcast had a caller at the top of the segment that knew his stuff and talked at length about your top 3.  Good stuff.  Podcast was posted on Sunday.

Could you post the link, please

[Eagle Eye 7 2,535]

Also just looked at our SEC stats. We are in the bottom half of most every offense and defense stat in the SEC and below the top 50 in the D1. Remember fewer teams this year as well. Says a lot about how bad we are this year. Cant blame that on Covid ( because everyone has that) and can’t blame it on lack of talent or being young ( we recruit in the top 15 each year). Can only blame it of failure of coaching because they are laid well to overcome those problems. 

[AUBwins 10,075]

59 minutes ago, bigbird said:

Cristobal

Napier

Elliot

Freeze

Baby Briles

I'd take the first 3 without hesitation and be happy with the 4th and 5th. All 4 are substantial upgrades to Gus.

 

Like this list in order. 

[TigerFanAU 586]

6 hours ago, Randman5000 said:

Yo what did I miss?

What's going on.,

Nothing. I read through it all and its nothing. Gus is still Auburn's head coach unfortunately. Sigh.

[AuCivilEng1 11,012]

4 minutes ago, AUBwins said:

Like this list in order. 

Gotta add Matt Campbell to that list!

[wcware 1,365]

21 minutes ago, Eagle Eye 7 said:

Also just looked at our SEC stats. We are in the bottom half of most every offense and defense stat in the SEC and below the top 50 in the D1. Remember fewer teams this year as well. Says a lot about how bad we are this year. Cant blame that on Covid ( because everyone has that) and can’t blame it on lack of talent or being young ( we recruit in the top 15 each year). Can only blame it of failure of coaching because they are laid well to overcome those problems. 

I am starting to question our recruiting rankings also. Were we grabbing a bunch of kids that their star ranking was overrated and other schools had passed up on? Also recruiting rankings can be very deceptive when you under recruiting team needs year end and year out.

[PigskinPat 2,579]

16 minutes ago, TigerFanAU said:

Nothing. I read through it all and its nothing. Gus is still Auburn's head coach unfortunately. Sigh.

Am I the only one that’s starting to feel like this? 

[Auburn Tiger 1,340]

3 minutes ago, wcware said:

I am starting to question our recruiting rankings also. Were we grabbing a bunch of kids that their star ranking was overrated and other schools had passed up on? Also recruiting rankings can be very deceptive when you under recruiting team needs year end and year out.

Not to mention the kids who flip or never even consider us. It’s frustrating to see the lack in recruiting. Seems either these kids see the coaching for what it is or our program just isn’t as desirable as we fans want to believe. I choose to thing the former. Ha. 

[AUApostle 7,651]

42 minutes ago, bigbird said:

Could you post the link, please

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-auburnsports-com-rundown/id911904779?i=1000501474131

[wcware 1,365]

15 minutes ago, Auburn Tiger said:

Not to mention the kids who flip or never even consider us. It’s frustrating to see the lack in recruiting. Seems either these kids see the coaching for what it is or our program just isn’t as desirable as we fans want to believe. I choose to thing the former. Ha. 

I think it is probably a little bit of it all. I will believe we are an elite program when we start making the commitments to winning that other programs are making 

[Harp_AU2013 221]

40 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

Gotta add Matt Campbell to that list!

And Luke Fickell from UC.

[Viper 3,132]

2 hours ago, ellitor said:

Not if the P5 leaves the NCAA which is coming at some point.

So the Southwest Conference returns...with no rules?

[Viper 3,132]

41 minutes ago, PigskinPat said:

Am I the only one that’s starting to feel like this? 

We will when Gus comes back for 2021.

[Auburn Tiger 1,340]

25 minutes ago, wcware said:

I think it is probably a little bit of it all. I will believe we are an elite program when we start making the commitments to winning that other programs are making 

Very well said!

[gctiger 937]

11 hours ago, Viper said:

Auburn does have a thing called The Auburn Creed, right?

They do and the last time I checked it was nearly as worthless as the Auburn Code of Student Conduct.  They don’t even enforce their own safety regulations.  Won’t go into details but Gouge over vetoed a committee conviction involving over a half dozen clear cut negligent safety violations that resulted in an auto accident.  Biggest Kangaroo Court I’ve ever witnessed.  

Lowder, Housel and Rayne collectively thumbed their nose at the creed in Jetgate!

[woodford 3,660]

21 minutes ago, Viper said:

So the Southwest Conference returns...with no rules?

That would be awesome. With NIL rules presumably in effect, we would see more parity in the sport. The current model doesn’t allow for historically average or poor programs to invest and recruit well without the NCAA taking notice. 

[Barnacle 9,064]

9 hours ago, Tiger said:

JMO but I still don't think it's Auburn's business about that point in particular. Maybe I'm misunderstanding but how someone chooses to forgive their partner for that is their own business and that has no connection at all to how successful he would be at AU.

I still would want to find out if he's changed but something feels off about that part to me

I'm not sure if you are misunderstanding or not, and this is a conversation with a lot of nuance that will be difficult to have in this format, but I'll try and clarify as best as I can. 

I'm interested in whether Hugh Freeze is penitent. I'm interested in whether he's actually changed, or is actually committed to changing. I'm interested in whether he is genuine about repairing his relationship with his wife and children, or if he's saying and doing the things that potential employers like Auburn would like to see, for the sake of moving up in his profession. I do understand that how she or his children choose to respond to him is their business, but his commitment to earning their forgiveness is paramount. If we think that isn't relevant, or that it isn't any of our (the University's) business, then I don't think we need to interview him. It would be a mistake to hire a man like Hugh Freeze without vetting his home life. 

For better or worse, the University has chosen to embrace and sell the "Auburn Family." We sell family to our alumni and fans. We sell it to our coaches. The coaches sell it to our recruits. Here's the thing about Hugh Freeze - he is a salesman. He is a damn good salesman. He is going to sell the s*** out of the Auburn Family. He's going to bring kids and coaches over to his house. He's going to introduce them to his wife. He's going to introduce them to his children. He's going to prop all of that up to sell the program. 

I want to know if he's selling the truth, or if he's selling a lie. If he's selling the truth - that is, that he really is repentant, and he really is committed to his wife and kids, and he's really committed to changing, then he may be a risk worth taking - even if his wife and kids are still understandably in the process of forgiving him. It just needs to be genuine. 

Everyone on the staff at Ole Miss knew what was going on with Hugh and his escorts. It was not a big secret. Hugh was calling up girls on Friday night, and preaching to the team on Sunday morning. He lost the respect of many on his coaching staff for being such a blatant hypocrite. There were a lot of really angry people on that staff when the scandal came out. If he's not committed to the things that he's going to preach, and Tiger he's going to preach, then he will lose the respect of the staff at Auburn. He may lose the respect of the players, and that will bleed into recruits and recruits' parents. 

Finally, being a head football coach in the SEC is hard enough with a supportive family. Freeze is a man who leans toward recklessness. He was reckless in his recruiting at Ole Miss. He was reckless in his marriage. Why would we consider hiring a man with that type of personality, without first finding out whether he's committed to his support system, and whether those relationships are being repaired. If he's not committed, and that support system falls apart, then you've got a reckless man with no support underneath him. That's dangerous. The embarrassment that Hugh Freeze caused Ole Miss would be nothing like the embarrassment he would cause Auburn if it comes out that he's been caught cheating again - either on his wife, or on the recruiting trail. 

I think the dude is a phenomenal football coach. If he's a changed man - or if he's committed to being a changed man, then he may be a risk worth taking. If he's not, and if it turns out that he's not committed to repairing his relationships at home, then the last thing we need to do is to make him the figurehead of the Auburn Family. It will end in disaster. My .02. 

[McLoofus 35,182]

1 hour ago, PigskinPat said:

Am I the only one that’s starting to feel like this? 

Starting to? 2016 was my first time. I made all the excuses for 2015. Nope. It was the coach.

[DAG 33,997]

16 minutes ago, Barnacle said:

I'm not sure if you are misunderstanding or not, and this is a conversation with a lot of nuance that will be difficult to have in this format, but I'll try and clarify as best as I can. 

I'm interested in whether Hugh Freeze is penitent. I'm interested in whether he's actually changed, or is actually committed to changing. I'm interested in whether he is genuine about repairing his relationship with his wife and children, or if he's saying and doing the things that potential employers like Auburn would like to see, for the sake of moving up in his profession. I do understand that how she or his children choose to respond to him is their business, but his commitment to earning their forgiveness is paramount. If we think that isn't relevant, or that it isn't any of our (the University's) business, then I don't think we need to interview him. It would be a mistake to hire a man like Hugh Freeze without vetting his home life. 

For better or worse, the University has chosen to embrace and sell the "Auburn Family." We sell family to our alumni and fans. We sell it to our coaches. The coaches sell it to our recruits. Here's the thing about Hugh Freeze - he is a salesman. He is a damn good salesman. He is going to sell the s*** out of the Auburn Family. He's going to bring kids and coaches over to his house. He's going to introduce them to his wife. He's going to introduce them to his children. He's going to prop all of that up to sell the program. 

I want to know if he's selling the truth, or if he's selling a lie. If he's selling the truth - that is, that he really is repentant, and he really is committed to his wife and kids, and he's really committed to changing, then he may be a risk worth taking - even if his wife and kids are still understandably in the process of forgiving him. It just needs to be genuine. 

Everyone on the staff at Ole Miss knew what was going on with Hugh and his escorts. It was not a big secret. Hugh was calling up girls on Friday night, and preaching to the team on Sunday morning. He lost the respect of many on his coaching staff for being such a blatant hypocrite. There were a lot of really angry people on that staff when the scandal came out. If he's not committed to the things that he's going to preach, and Tiger he's going to preach, then he will lose the respect of the staff at Auburn. He may lose the respect of the players, and that will bleed into recruits and recruits' parents. 

Finally, being a head football coach in the SEC is hard enough with a supportive family. Freeze is a man who leans toward recklessness. He was reckless in his recruiting at Ole Miss. He was reckless in his marriage. Why would we consider hiring a man with that type of personality, without first finding out whether he's committed to his support system, and whether those relationships are being repaired. If he's not committed, and that support system falls apart, then you've got a reckless man with no support underneath him. That's dangerous. The embarrassment that Hugh Freeze caused Ole Miss would be nothing like the embarrassment he would cause Auburn if it comes out that he's been caught cheating again - either on his wife, or on the recruiting trail. 

I think the dude is a phenomenal football coach. If he's a changed man - or if he's committed to being a changed man, then he may be a risk worth taking. If he's not, and if it turns out that he's not committed to repairing his relationships at home, then the last thing we need to do is to make him the figurehead of the Auburn Family. It will end in disaster. My .02. 

I mean I don’t think anyone personal relationship is the highest relevance to college football. I get the sentiments but I am going to have to disagree with you about all of this . I mean it’s a two way street. You are assuming his kids or wife would be okay with something like that. At the end of the day, this is not a marriage counsel. He has already spoken about the transgression. He is going to liberty l, which is a private Christian university. I don’t know if any of you have been there but it is comparable to Harding university and 10x more extreme than Faulkner in Montgomery. It is a very conservative base and academic institution. There is no way they would let him be there if they thought or had an inkling something like that was occurring or he wasn’t trying to repair. 

[gctiger 937]

11 hours ago, Viper said:

Obviously, Ole Miss has no morals, as evidenced by their last hire.

Many could say the same about Auburn.  A long history of NCAA violations in football, Jetgate, Title XI violations in women’s softball, Chuck Person’s bribery scandal.  

Like it or not Auburn isn’t as squeaky clean as you would like to believe! 

[Barnacle 9,064]

2 minutes ago, DAG said:

I mean I don’t think anyone personal relationship is the highest relevance to college football. I get the sentiments but I am going to have to disagree with you about all of this . I mean it’s a two way street. You are assuming his kids or wife would be okay with something like that. At the end of the day, this is not a marriage counsel. He has already spoken about the transgression. He is going to liberty l, which is a private Christian university. I don’t know if any of you have been there but it is comparable to Harding university and 10x more extreme than Faulkner in Montgomery. It is a very conservative base and academic institution. There is no way they would let him be there if they thought or had an inkling something like that was occurring or he wasn’t trying to repair. 

I'm not assuming his wife or kids would be okay with this. If I did, then I wouldn't have any curiosity about the state of his relationships. I would assume it was all good, and move on. I'm assuming there is a lot of hurt, pain, and brokenness in that home. Also, Jerry Falwell Jr.'s endorsement of Hugh Freeze doesn't exactly give me any warm fuzzies about the guy. Birds of a feather. 

[McLoofus 35,182]

5 minutes ago, DAG said:

There is no way they would let him be there if they thought or had an inkling something like that was occurring or he wasn’t trying to repair. 

Ummm... you might have missed some news about Jerry Falwell, Jr...

 

[Mike4AU 1,739]

3 minutes ago, DAG said:

 It is a very conservative base and academic institution. There is no way they would let him be there if they thought or had an inkling something like that was occurring or he wasn’t trying to repair. 

You may be correct, but the transgressions by Falwell, Jr. were overlooked for a long time because of his ability to raise money for the school.  Who really knows whether Liberty actually did a good job of due diligence before hiring Freeze.  
 

I still don’t know whether I would want Freeze at AU.