Allen Greene needs to step up concerning vaccinations

[Didba 5,256]

10 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

hey didba welcome to the board! i am not a mod or anything  i just wanted to welcome you to aufam.

I appreciate the warm welcome.

 

I have been creeping around these forums since before the auburn eagle forums joined with the aufamily foruns. I posted under a different name on auburn eagle when I was a teenager and had much more time on my hands. 

 

In the last 5-6 years of undergrad and law school I have had much less time to read and post on these forums but in the past year as I get closer to becoming an attorney, I have felt more obligated to speak out against things I disagree with.

 

Of course, I was also very energized by the Harsin hire as such starting coming back around the forums more.  I have and always will appreciate the time and effort you put in to post the multitude of articles in the football section.

[AU9377 5,035]

On 8/24/2021 at 3:25 PM, japantiger said:

I have personal experience with healthcare in 3 of the countries ranked above the US; I lived in each of them for a minimum of 3 years each (UK, Japan, Singapore).  I would not choose any of the 3 above the level of care and availability you get in the US.  I have had everything from normal preventative visits to surgery  and ER care outside the US; and all the above with family.  Getting anything approaching urgent care requires private health insurance...otherwise, get in line...a long line with no guarantee of treatment.  The basis level of care is like watching a Medical Center episode circa 1970.  The fact that this list has Columbia and Morocco higher than the US and Cuba only 2 spots behind the US should tell you all you need to know.

Urgent care is readily available in the U.K.  I know because I have spent the better part of a year there in the past myself.  I have also been in France when my best friend's sister gave birth to premature twins in 2008.  The care was the same level care and same inpatient hospital stay as she would have gotten in the U.S.  The big difference being that she had no co-pay and didn't receive a bill for tens of thousands when she went home.  She was married to a  French citizen and therefore eligible for coverage.

[AU9377 5,035]

On 8/24/2021 at 3:11 PM, Didba said:

Ha, well they teach us to try and be as concise as possible in law school these days.  Called the plain language legal writing reform.  Mostly due to the fact that the last 100 years of attorneys and judges lack the ability to be concise and straight to the point.

Most still struggle with conciseness as my reply here indicates. 😂

As you may know, even plain language is filled with anything but.

[DyeCampAlum 335]

On 8/24/2021 at 11:28 AM, Butthead said:

it does not protect you from getting infected.

Of course it does. It does not PREVENT me from getting infected, but it makes it less likely, especially when more of my neighbors are vaccinated. (Compare one state to another.) And it makes me far less likely to develop Covid-19.

[Butthead 525]

24 minutes ago, DyeCampAlum said:

Of course it does. It does not PREVENT me from getting infected, but it makes it less likely, especially when more of my neighbors are vaccinated. (Compare one state to another.) And it makes me far less likely to develop Covid-19.

If you get COVID how do you know if you got it from a vax or a non vax?

[McLoofus 35,182]

51 minutes ago, Butthead said:

If you get COVID how do you know if you got it from a vax or a non vax?

If that matters to you, you try to find out who you got it from and ask them. I think that's your best bet probably.

[Butthead 525]

1 minute ago, McLoofus said:

If that matters to you, you try to find out who you got it from and ask them. I think that's your best bet probably.

So the answer is unless you just don’t go out you probably don’t know. 

[McLoofus 35,182]

8 minutes ago, Butthead said:

So the answer is unless you just don’t go out you probably don’t know. 

I dunno. I haven't really thought about it before. Not sure what the value in knowing is, other than knowing a little bit more about the people you're in contact with.

[Butthead 525]

My point is vax people are still getting COVID in substantial numbers and likely passing it along. Cali is saying 25% of new cases are vax. Therefore it it likely higher than that percentage. 

[McLoofus 35,182]

9 hours ago, Butthead said:

My point is vax people are still getting COVID in substantial numbers and likely passing it along. Cali is saying 25% of new cases are vax. Therefore it it likely higher than that percentage. 

What about hospitalizations?

Do you recognize that the ratio of new cases in vaccinated people will rise as the ratio of vaccinated people and people with antibodies from prior infection rises?

Does it make sense to you that vaccinated people might be relaxing their adherence to secondary safety protocols since they have such drastically lower chances of having serious complications from the virus or passing it along? Even the variant?

None of what you are saying is a counter to the need for everyone who safely can to get vaccinated. 

And that is what is so strange about all of this. All of this ridiculous nitpicking and trying to find inconsistencies in the data and opinions. The only thing that matters has not changed at all. We are as close to a consensus among the entire medical and scientific communities as we will ever be that people need to get vaccinated and, as necessary, mask up, socially distance, and wash our hands frequently. We are not talking about mathematic principles or the periodic table. This is a dynamic and new situation so yes, the specifics will change from time to time. But the conclusion has not. 

Y'all just really need to ask yourselves why you don't want to believe the truth.

[Butthead 525]

16 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

What about hospitalizations?

Do you recognize that the ratio of new cases in vaccinated people will rise as the ratio of vaccinated people and people with antibodies from prior infection rises?

Does it make sense to you that vaccinated people might be relaxing their adherence to secondary safety protocols since they have such drastically lower chances of having serious complications from the virus or passing it along? Even the variant?

None of what you are saying is a counter to the need for everyone who safely can to get vaccinated. 

And that is what is so strange about all of this. All of this ridiculous nitpicking and trying to find inconsistencies in the data and opinions. The only thing that matters has not changed at all. We are as close to a consensus among the entire medical and scientific communities as we will ever be that people need to get vaccinated and, as necessary, mask up, socially distance, and wash our hands frequently. We are not talking about mathematic principles or the periodic table. This is a dynamic and new situation so yes, the specifics will change from time to time. But the conclusion has not. 

Y'all just really need to ask yourselves why you don't want to believe the truth.

Then why are you worried if I get vax?  You and the other vax'ed are just as likely to get COVID from someone who has been vax'ed than from me.

[McLoofus 35,182]

7 minutes ago, Butthead said:

Then why are you worried if I get vax?  You and the other vax'ed are just as likely to get COVID from someone who has been vax'ed than from me.

First, let me state unequivocally that you should be deeply embarrassed, if not ashamed, to be asking this question at this stage of the game. If you remain this ignorant and careless in August 2021, then it is bizarre that you are participating in this conversation at all if not just to be trolling. Seriously. Take a hard look in the mirror.

Second, the answer is 1) my two children are too young to be vaccinated and one of them is technically immunocompromised so selfish, ignorant, lazy people put her at significant risk and 2) as @DAG has said countless times- as if he should need to, since the information has been made readily and widely available for over a year now- the unvaccinated are overwhelming our healthcare system. There is a mental health crisis in the medical community and it is trending towards a severe labor shortage. Need I explain to you what the downstream effects of that mean for every type of healthcare? I guess there's no point in explaining any of this? It's hard to believe you actually want to know.

Just last night a friend of ours was telling us how her husband, a nurse, is having a really tough time because he's got twice the number of COVID patients that state or federal (not sure which) guidelines recommend. They've got 3 children too young to vaccinate.

[Butthead 525]

47 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

First, let me state unequivocally that you should be deeply embarrassed, if not ashamed, to be asking this question at this stage of the game. If you remain this ignorant and careless in August 2021, then it is bizarre that you are participating in this conversation at all if not just to be trolling. Seriously. Take a hard look in the mirror.

Second, the answer is 1) my two children are too young to be vaccinated and one of them is technically immunocompromised so selfish, ignorant, lazy people put her at significant risk and 2) as @DAG has said countless times- as if he should need to, since the information has been made readily and widely available for over a year now- the unvaccinated are overwhelming our healthcare system. There is a mental health crisis in the medical community and it is trending towards a severe labor shortage. Need I explain to you what the downstream effects of that mean for every type of healthcare? I guess there's no point in explaining any of this? It's hard to believe you actually want to know.

Just last night a friend of ours was telling us how her husband, a nurse, is having a really tough time because he's got twice the number of COVID patients that state or federal (not sure which) guidelines recommend. They've got 3 children too young to vaccinate.

ah yes, embarrassed, ashamed, selfish, ignorant, and lazy.  check.  got it.  i shall assume you never leave the house then, right?  because if you do you are far more likely to infect your kids with COVID than i am - vax or not.

[abw0004 10,134]

This should do the trick.  Come and get it:

 

[McLoofus 35,182]

3 minutes ago, Butthead said:

ah yes, embarrassed, ashamed, selfish, ignorant, and lazy.  check.  got it.  i shall assume you never leave the house then, right?  because if you do you are far more likely to infect your kids with COVID than i am - vax or not.

It's good knowing you don't have children. Truly.

[McLoofus 35,182]

For any non sociopaths out there still trying to figure this out, a thread:

 

Edited August 26, 2021 by McLoofus

[Butthead 525]

1 hour ago, McLoofus said:

It's good knowing you don't have children. Truly.

Have two -- 11 and 12.  Thanks for your concern.

[Butthead 525]

1 hour ago, McLoofus said:

For any non sociopaths out there still trying to figure this out, a thread:

 

Now you are taking advice from a journalism professor?  Maybe he does not understand that kids are just as likely to contract COVID from the vax'ed as the non vax'ed?

[McLoofus 35,182]

23 minutes ago, Butthead said:

Now you are taking advice from a journalism professor?  Maybe he does not understand that kids are just as likely to contract COVID from the vax'ed as the non vax'ed?

No, I'm sharing a journalism professor's take- a guy whose profession gives him a better seat to the show than the vast majority of us- that is in line with the facts that for some reason you choose to ignore. As a journalism professor, he is also able to articulate these facts and observations in a manner that all but the absolute densest and most agenda faithful among us can understand. It seems that you're a little bit of both and it is clear that nothing short of personal tragedy is going to penetrate the utter bull**** that guides your feelings on this matter. Hopefully it doesn't come to that and the blind luck that has so far enabled you to remain this stupid and selfish about this issue continues. 

[Butthead 525]

26 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

No, I'm sharing a journalism professor's take- a guy whose profession gives him a better seat to the show than the vast majority of us- that is in line with the facts that for some reason you choose to ignore. As a journalism professor, he is also able to articulate these facts and observations in a manner that all but the absolute densest and most agenda faithful among us can understand. It seems that you're a little bit of both and it is clear that nothing short of personal tragedy is going to penetrate the utter bull**** that guides your feelings on this matter. Hopefully it doesn't come to that and the blind luck that has so far enabled you to remain this stupid and selfish about this issue continues. 

Wrong -- he posts a general opinion with no support or facts.  And his profession is that of a professor -- you know what they say about professors, right?  Those who can...

Perhaps you should target your anger in different ways.  Step away from the keyboard.  I feel sorry that you have little else to do but post on a message board over 4,000 times a year for 8 plus years.

[Leftfield 2,653]

59 minutes ago, Butthead said:

Maybe he does not understand that kids are just as likely to contract COVID from the vax'ed as the non vax'ed?

Would you please stop with this.

Yes, vaccinated people can carry a high viral load, but only if they have a breakthrough case. The likelihood of developing the infection is obviously higher for people that are unvaccinated, so they are far more likely to infect others.

 

[Butthead 525]

15 minutes ago, Leftfield said:

Would you please stop with this.

Yes, vaccinated people can carry a high viral load, but only if they have a breakthrough case. The likelihood of developing the infection is obviously higher for people that are unvaccinated, so they are far more likely to infect others.

 

if you have been vax'ed for more than 6 months, i suspect your whole argument falls apart.

[Butthead 525]

From the BBC today---

 

A radio presenter died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has found.

Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.

Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.

The inquest heard the condition linked to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine was very rare.

The coroner said: "Lisa died due to complications of an AstraZeneca Covid vaccination."

Ms Dilks said Ms Shaw was previously fit and well but concluded that it was "clearly established" that her death was due to a very rare "vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia", a condition which leads to swelling and bleeding of the brain.

'Severe headache'

Ms Shaw, a mother of one from Consett, received her first dose of the vaccine on 29 April.

On 13 May she was taken by ambulance to University Hospital of North Durham after having a headache for several days.

• Covid vaccines and rare clots - what do we know?
• How effective is the vaccine, and do I need a booster?

In a statement, Dr John Holmes who treated her said she complained of having a "severe headache shooting and stabbing" across her forehead and behind her eyes.

Tests were carried out and blood clots were found in her brain, prompting her to be moved to the neurology specialist unit at Newcastle's Royal Victoria Infirmary (RVI).

The clots are considered extremely rare - there have been 417 reported cases and 72 deaths - after 24.8 million first doses and 23.9 million second doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK.

Dr Christopher Johnson, a consultant in anaesthetics and intensive care at the RVI, said Ms Shaw had been conscious for several days and had been treated for the clots with drugs which seemed to be successful.

 

'Do the same thing'

But on the evening of 16 May Ms Shaw said the headaches were worse and she had difficulty speaking.

Scans showed she had suffered a haemorrhage in the brain and after her condition deteriorated, part of her skull was removed to try and relieve the pressure inside her head.

Her condition continued to worsen and despite more surgery and treatments, she died on 21 May.

[Leftfield 2,653]

2 minutes ago, Butthead said:

if you have been vax'ed for more than 6 months, i suspect your whole argument falls apart.

Efficacy does drop over time. There is no evidence that the vaccine becomes useless in six months, and it is irresponsible for you to suggest otherwise.

Can you explain how you would choose to battle the pandemic?

[Leftfield 2,653]

6 minutes ago, Butthead said:

From the BBC today---

 

A radio presenter died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has found.

Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.

Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.

The inquest heard the condition linked to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine was very rare.

The coroner said: "Lisa died due to complications of an AstraZeneca Covid vaccination."

Ms Dilks said Ms Shaw was previously fit and well but concluded that it was "clearly established" that her death was due to a very rare "vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia", a condition which leads to swelling and bleeding of the brain.

'Severe headache'

Ms Shaw, a mother of one from Consett, received her first dose of the vaccine on 29 April.

On 13 May she was taken by ambulance to University Hospital of North Durham after having a headache for several days.

• Covid vaccines and rare clots - what do we know?
• How effective is the vaccine, and do I need a booster?

In a statement, Dr John Holmes who treated her said she complained of having a "severe headache shooting and stabbing" across her forehead and behind her eyes.

Tests were carried out and blood clots were found in her brain, prompting her to be moved to the neurology specialist unit at Newcastle's Royal Victoria Infirmary (RVI).

The clots are considered extremely rare - there have been 417 reported cases and 72 deaths - after 24.8 million first doses and 23.9 million second doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK.

Dr Christopher Johnson, a consultant in anaesthetics and intensive care at the RVI, said Ms Shaw had been conscious for several days and had been treated for the clots with drugs which seemed to be successful.

 

'Do the same thing'

But on the evening of 16 May Ms Shaw said the headaches were worse and she had difficulty speaking.

Scans showed she had suffered a haemorrhage in the brain and after her condition deteriorated, part of her skull was removed to try and relieve the pressure inside her head.

Her condition continued to worsen and despite more surgery and treatments, she died on 21 May.

Curious as to your purpose for posting this? Everyone knows there are potential clotting issues with the Astrazeneca vaccine. However, it is also not used nearly as much as the Pfizer, Moderna, and even the J&J vaccines, at least in the States. Good thing you can choose to use another, right?

Oh, and the Astrazeneca vaccine is still safer than getting Covid. But I'm sure you knew that.