Allen Greene needs to step up concerning vaccinations

[Quietmaninthecorner 1,945]

20 minutes ago, au701948 said:

Let's think about it for a moment. Suppose I am given task of crossing the 10 lanes of interstate traffic on the Downtown Connector in Atlanta during rush hour traffic. My options are 1. Cross with a blindfold on during the busiest hours of the day 2. Use a Pedestrian Bridge which safely carries me above the traffic; however, I do have to consider that the Bridge may collapse as I am crossing on it. I go with the Bridge every time!

But, hey, I also do not take Ivermectine nor Hydroxychloroquine.

Not sure what you are trying to say in all that.    The vaccine is the bridge.  The real and present danger is the virus.

[Mike4AU 1,739]

13 minutes ago, DAG said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32077089/proof-vaccination-negative-covid-19-pcr-test-required-enter-tiger-stadium

when do you think we will do this?

Not anytime soon.  The great governor  (extreme yellow font) signed into law a ban on Covid passports. 

[au701948 1,009]

12 minutes ago, DAG said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32077089/proof-vaccination-negative-covid-19-pcr-test-required-enter-tiger-stadium

when do you think we will do this?

I do not believe we should be allowed to require such a thing until AU requires the Auburn Team (Coaches and players) to do the same.

[Quietmaninthecorner 1,945]

Kind of a side topic  but not worth another thread..

With the NIL stuff,  could yella fella (or other well off alum) offer $500 to to the players  to get a vaccine?

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,751]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Who would'a thunk our new head coach would be one of those guys? 

(Maybe you answered your own questions.)

I followed the protocols about as well as one could, and I'm potentially infected too (have to wait a day to get a test done because so many mother****ing people on campus are also in the same boat), so I don't want to say that Bryan is definitively not masking up, etc etc 

I just wish the guy'd get vaccinated for his own sakes, at the very least 

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,751]

1 minute ago, Quietmaninthecorner said:

Kind of a side topic  but not worth another thread..

With the NIL stuff,  could yella fella (or other well off alum) offer $500 to to the players  to get a vaccine?

They'd probably prioritize those signed to them, but I don't see why not. I'd even think the university could incentivize it at this point

[au701948 1,009]

39 minutes ago, metafour said:

Jesse Jackson and his wife are both vaxed and they're both currently HOSPITALIZED with COVID. So not only does it not protect you from getting infected, and doesn't prevent you from infecting others, it also doesn't even guarantee to "reduce symptoms" either. Oh yeah, and it's effectiveness against the new variants is basically laughable (see: Israel).

And this is the treatment that EVERYONE should just get...because?

What you actually have is people who did as they were told, who now want reassurance in the form of everyone else in society being subjected to the same fate as themselves. It's an extremely common human psychological crutch that has been proven through experiment. All masked under some pseudo-moralistic veil of being "on the right side" of something. No, you aren't a hero who is saving the planet - you're just doubtful and scared yourself, and it feels comforting if everyone else in the tribe is injected with the same potion.

 

You are quite right, it only protects someone possibly up to a rate of 80+%. However, not having taken the vaccine protects someone up to a rate of 0%. But I applaud your right to be unvaccinated, just keep yourself out of any interaction where your decision may effect me.

[Quietmaninthecorner 1,945]

Just now, Dual-Threat Rigby said:

They'd probably prioritize those signed to them, but I don't see why not. I'd even think the university could incentivize it at this point

Just seems like a power player that spends probably 10+ grand on game weekend would be willing to put forth 20 grand to ensure our players can play.  

 

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,751]

7 minutes ago, Mike4AU said:

Not anytime soon.  The great governor  (extreme yellow font) signed into law a ban on Covid passports. 

Not a political post, just a series of facts, but some state officials that may happen to be in red states, are regretting having to capitulate to voters and tie their own hands of those mandate options. One such being the governor of Arkansas https://www.npr.org/2021/08/04/1024939859/arkansas-governor-reverse-law-let-schools-require-masks

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,751]

Just now, Quietmaninthecorner said:

Just seems like a power player that spends probably 10+ grand on game weekend would be willing to put forth 20 grand to ensure our players can play.  

 

You'd think! But being Alabama based people themselves, who knows what Yellawood thinks of something like vaccinations. It's just such a wide ranging mentality shift that needs to occur

[au701948 1,009]

17 minutes ago, Quietmaninthecorner said:

Not sure what you are trying to say in all that.    The vaccine is the bridge.  The real and present danger is the virus.

Yes, the vaccine is the bridge, I suppose and anyone that knows Atlanta traffic knows there would be no way to survive walking across I-75/I-85-even without being blindfolded. But, the risk of the bridge falling had to be mentioned to cover folks that want to tout the risks faced when taking the vaccine. No big deal. The default position may best be the old "survival of the fittest' scenario.

Edited August 24, 2021 by au701948

[DAG 34,017]

1 minute ago, au701948 said:

The default position may best be the old "survival of the fittest' scenario

Well that doesn’t happen because people who completely against vaccination, runs to the hospital. They don’t care about the recommendations from physicians but have no problem accepting any and everything if they get sick enough. 

[Quietmaninthecorner 1,945]

2 minutes ago, Dual-Threat Rigby said:

Not a political post, just a series of facts, but some state officials that may happen to be in red states, are regretting having to capitulate to voters and tie their own hands of those mandate options. One such being the governor of Arkansas https://www.npr.org/2021/08/04/1024939859/arkansas-governor-reverse-law-let-schools-require-masks

That's my turf.  Arkansas's Hutchinson is almost as bad as desantis and that Texas guy when it comes to the virus. .  To make it worse,  he literally said he wished he didn't sign that law,  and only did it because of the rest of his buddies would have pushed it through anyway.   He has yet to take any kind of action to change it or accepted responsibility as the leader of the state to correct is peer pressured mistake.    

[homersapien 11,447]

4 hours ago, Maverick.AU said:

I had to see my oncologist for 3 straight months from April to June, after not seeing him in 2020 due to Covid. However, that was due to keeping an eye on my hematocrit count since it was elevated. My oncologist did not say anything one way or another about the vaccine, so it is just my choice.

Presumably, you have some knowledge of how your cancer might possibly affect your immune system upon the introduction of a vaccine.

I am a cancer survivor also - specifically mucosal adenocarcinoma of the appendix - which was treated surgically in April.  My oncologist never mentioned any associated risks in that regard, nor did it even occur to me to ask.

Bottom line, some "preconditions" aren't. 

[Gowebb11 9,376]

56 minutes ago, metafour said:

Jesse Jackson and his wife are both vaxed and they're both currently HOSPITALIZED with COVID. So not only does it not protect you from getting infected, and doesn't prevent you from infecting others, it also doesn't even guarantee to "reduce symptoms" either. Oh yeah, and it's effectiveness against the new variants is basically laughable (see: Israel).

Some people taking BP meds have heart attacks, some people wearing seat belts die in traffic accidents, and some people who don't smoke get lung cancer. Using your logic no one should take precautions for anything. Except a basic knowledge of logic and statistics say otherwise. 

[homersapien 11,447]

3 hours ago, Barnacle said:

Leadership from Mason

I wonder who infected him?

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,751]

15 minutes ago, Quietmaninthecorner said:

That's my turf.  Arkansas's Hutchinson is almost as bad as desantis and that Texas guy when it comes to the virus. .  To make it worse,  he literally said he wished he didn't sign that law,  and only did it because of the rest of his buddies would have pushed it through anyway.   He has yet to take any kind of action to change it or accepted responsibility as the leader of the state to correct is peer pressured mistake.    

It's a shame yknow. I can actually applaud (that) side for realizing that this whole politics mess is just a brutish fight, where one side wants to win FOR THEM more than anything. And they band together on almost everything, even if it's gonna cost lives. Sometimes it's a positive, right now though? 

Alabama's neighbors clowned Ivey for being essentially the last to remove the "At Home" mandates and now she's plum tuckered out on the idea of re-instating ANY (AT ALL!!!). That group think is a double edged sword 

[homersapien 11,447]

2 hours ago, autigeremt said:

easy now homer...I can come up with A LOT of other diseases and ailments that have plagued hospitals for decades that were a result of government interventions from the left. But hey! Live in your fantasy.......suits you. 

Sure you can.

Everyone knows the left opposes good healthcare.

[CleCoTiger 1,957]

1 hour ago, metafour said:

Jesse Jackson and his wife are both vaxed and they're both currently HOSPITALIZED with COVID. So not only does it not protect you from getting infected, and doesn't prevent you from infecting others, it also doesn't even guarantee to "reduce symptoms" either. Oh yeah, and it's effectiveness against the new variants is basically laughable (see: Israel).

Yes, see Israel, But see ALL of it and not just that which you choose to see. Laughable? Well, not so much. The mitigation of hospitalization and serious illness among those vaccinated in Israel is as strong as battery acid.

https://www.aufamily.com/forums/topic/178241-allen-greene-needs-to-step-up-concerning-vaccinations/page/23/?tab=comments#comment-3413183

 

"Israeli health officials on Thursday reported that Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine is just 39 percent effective in preventing infections with the more contagious Delta variant, while noting that the vaccine remains highly effective in preventing serious illness and hospitalization, according to reports.

New statistics from Israel’s Health Ministry, released Thursday, indicated that the vaccine jointly developed by Pfizer and BioNTech provided 88 percent protection against hospitalization and 91.4 percent against severe illness, while being just 39 percent effective against the Delta strain, Bloomberg reported.

https://www.journalposts.com/israel-finds-39-percent-effectiveness-of-pfizer-vaccine-in-halting-delta-variant-infections-reports-jp/

Edited August 24, 2021 by CleCoTiger

[homersapien 11,447]

1 hour ago, Butthead said:

i am the exact opposite of a parasite to society.  i have a job, pay taxes, pay for my own health insurance, raise a family, do volunteer work, donate to charity, donate to my schools and those of my children and family, put money away for retirement and for my children to attend college, and give my time to my local community.  i have never collected unemployment.  since i graduated from auburn i have never NOT had a job.  i am 50 plus and in really good shape.  other than when my children were born, i have never spent a night in a hospital.  i am not obese.  i don't have any preexisting conditions.  i don't smoke.  i have never had a flu.  i have never had a flu shot either.  i have O blood type.  i have somehow managed to avoid COVID.

you on the other hand have thousands of posts on a message board and think you know what's best for me.  thanks but no thanks.

(I've been here a long time.)

But be sure to maintain your stellar record of responsibility and yield your covid bed in the ICU to someone who deserves it.

[Hank2020 3,217]

1 hour ago, au701948 said:

In the promo I have seen AD AG states that he has in fact been fully vaccinated and is promoting vaccinations as a positive thing.

That’s what I thought too. Thx for the follow up.

[homersapien 11,447]

1 hour ago, metafour said:

Jesse Jackson and his wife are both vaxed and they're both currently HOSPITALIZED with COVID. So not only does it not protect you from getting infected, and doesn't prevent you from infecting others, it also doesn't even guarantee to "reduce symptoms" either. Oh yeah, and it's effectiveness against the new variants is basically laughable (see: Israel).

And this is the treatment that EVERYONE should just get...because?

What you actually have is people who did as they were told, who now want reassurance in the form of everyone else in society being subjected to the same fate as themselves. It's an extremely common human psychological crutch that has been proven through experiment. All masked under some pseudo-moralistic veil of being "on the right side" of something. No, you aren't a hero who is saving the planet - you're just doubtful and scared yourself, and it feels comforting if everyone else in the tribe his injected with the same potion.

 

Because relatively rare exceptions do not disprove the statistically-based rule?   

Again, science is for wussies, right?

Edited August 24, 2021 by homersapien

[Butthead 525]

17 minutes ago, homersapien said:

(I've been here a long time.)

But be sure to maintain your stellar record of responsibility and yield your covid bed in the ICU to someone who deserves it.

And who shall be the arbitrator of who is deserving?  Or shall we just defer to the old angry guy who sits in in house all day posting on internet message boards?

[homersapien 11,447]

1 hour ago, Quietmaninthecorner said:

Kind of a side topic  but not worth another thread..

With the NIL stuff,  could yella fella (or other well off alum) offer $500 to to the players  to get a vaccine?

If they cut a PR piece, why not?

[passthebiscuits 6,866]

I respect a person’s right to make decisions for oneself (with a doctors’ input as well). I understand the pushback to the idea that the government mandates or coerces us into anything. I also understand the hesitancy regarding the vaccine’s safety. I am keenly aware of the talking points and the uncertainties inevitable to these kinds of issues. 
 

However, there are some things that are clear at this point: 

1) Covid is real, and despite it being 99% survivable, it causes long term complications in many. And that 1% that have succumbed to the illness are real people. Fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, pregnant patients, kids! I am surrounded by it every day as I work as a physician. We have no beds.Unvaccinated hospitalized covid patients cost our health care system over 2 billion dollars in June and July alone.  I have watched people die with Covid. 

2) The shot is safe and effective. It is a true miracle. To the very best that we can study a vaccine that was needed in record time, it is safe. Early August’s numbers alone show that 11,600 unvaccinated people in Alabama have died of Covid. 26 died of Covid that have been vaccinated. Even a Bama fan can tell you that the score 11,600-26 is real.

3) I am on the front lines. I don’t wear a lab coat. I probably stand with you in your grocery store. I am probably the least politically motivated person in the  world. I am also a cancer survivor. I am a physician.  I am absolutely dismayed at the lack of empathy and compassion toward human life. The shot saves people. This is absolutely a public health issue and not a political one. 

In summary: There is no debate. If you care about yourself, get the shot. If you care about those around you, get the shot. If you make a decision NOT to get the shot based on your own personal health reasons, personal religious convictions, or because you’ve had the virus and feel that you have antibodies—fine. But please, I’m begging you here, don’t make the decision based on political ideology. It’s not worth it. 

What I think we are seeing in real time is distrust. We don’t trust our government, leaders, politicians, church-leaders, doctors, etc.. To whom do we turn to then? I am a Christian. My Bible says that I am to treat others better than myself. (Phil 2)  I wonder sometimes if we fight each other to win the argument so much that we miss the big idea that what we should trust is God’s unfailing love for us. 

I have only your best interests at heart. I want to see all of you in Jordan-Hare healthy. I don’t think it’s Harsin’s job to tell anyone to get the shot or not. At this point, it’s out there and trustworthy people have spoken. 
 

War Eagle.