Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Just now, jluvah said: Dart is a liability for Ole Miss. His decision making lost their game vs Bammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigskinPat 2,579 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: It’s his fault he got slaughtered by a coach in his first year at LSU and a 5-5 Arkansas team… Who is your first choice to be our coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MustardSeed Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Just now, PigskinPat said: Who is your first choice to be our coach? 1) Dabo (highly unlikely I assume) 2) Deion (a risk for sure but everyone else on the list has already proven they aren’t worth the money or are just as big a risk and the upside for Deion is potentially off the charts…) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigskinPat 2,579 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 He gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MustardSeed Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: Pssss....that first year LSU coach is going to Atlanta If that's your standard, woof. Yes the standard to qualify as the coach at AU should include being able to be competitive in your third year against a coach in his first. Let’s just take our common games… And remember we fired our coach for this season… We bot lost to Arky by around 14-15 points. We both lost to LSU, us by 4, them by 25 We both beat A&M by 3 (our interim coach pulled that one off……………….) They beat us head to head So literally the only comparable game we played that they actually win the comparison on is the head to head…and we fired our coach for this performance. So essentially the difference between getting fired mid season and being worth 10mil a year is winning the head to head game…and maybe beating a 6-5 Kentucky by 3. Seems legit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUght2win 6,836 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 48 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: Have y'all actually looked at the box score from this Ole Miss game? The Rebs have 650 yards of offense. 410 on the ground. Jackson Dart and the defense played like trash. But the run game was spectacular. Ya know what they say. “Total yards win championships”. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 33,982 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: Yes the standard to qualify as the coach at AU should include being able to be competitive in your third year against a coach in his first. Let’s just take our common games… And remember we fired our coach for this season… We bot lost to Arky by around 14-15 points. We both lost to LSU, us by 4, them by 25 We both beat A&M by 3 (our interim coach pulled that one off……………….) They beat us head to head So literally the only comparable game we played that they actually win the comparison on is the head to head…and we fired our coach for this performance. So essentially the difference between getting fired mid season and being worth 10mil a year is winning the head to head game…and maybe beating a 6-5 Kentucky by 3. Seems legit The hard truth is we will be overpaying for CLK currently. Call it market value. Call it whatever you want. I think CLK can succeed if he also gets the budget he needs to bring elite coaches around him as well, particularly on the defensive side. The mental gymnastics some are trying to do is pretty laughable though. to excuse some of this stuff in terms of play calling and losses. Edited November 20, 2022 by DAG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: Yes the standard to qualify as the coach at AU should include being able to be competitive in your third year against a coach in his first. Let’s just take our common games… And remember we fired our coach for this season… We bot lost to Arky by around 14-15 points. We both lost to LSU, us by 4, them by 25 We both beat A&M by 3 (our interim coach pulled that one off……………….) They beat us head to head So literally the only comparable game we played that they actually win the comparison on is the head to head…and we fired our coach for this performance. So essentially the difference between getting fired mid season and being worth 10mil a year is winning the head to head game…and maybe beating a 6-5 Kentucky by 3. Seems legit You do realize how dumb this logic is, right? Need an example: Tommy Tuberville. Auburn's horrible 1998 team beat his Ole Miss squad. We hired him that November. I'm interested in what is a coach building at a program. Kiffin is building a winner quickly at Ole Miss. Is he perfect? Nope. Not even my top choice. But given better resources, I think he gets better coaches and players to work with. He's 23-10 at Ole Miss. Do you realize how hard that is to do historically in Oxford? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, AUght2win said: Ya know what they say. “Total yards win championships”. Kind of missed the point, but you're going off in other threads, so I know where you are on this. All good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUght2win 6,836 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Brad_ATX said: Kind of missed the point, but you're going off in other threads, so I know where you are on this. All good. The yards are genuinely impressive. But it doesn’t give me much solace. Looking at the yardage in the Auburn-LSU game this year shows how deceiving it can be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MustardSeed Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 minute ago, DAG said: The hard truth is we will be overpaying for CLK currently. Call it market value. Call it whatever you want. I think CLK can succeed if he also gets the budget he needs to bring elite coaches around him as well, particularly on the defensive side. The mental gymnastics some are trying to do is pretty laughable though. to excuse some of this stuff in terms of play calling and losses. I’d pull for Lane if he became coach…. But if we’re real honest…if Caddy brought in elite coaches he’d succeed too. Heck Harsin could have succeeded here if he hired elite coaches. I was somewhat good with the LK hire before today but I hadn’t really looked deeper. I (probably like many) saw he only lost 2 games to bama and LSU and saw the top 15 ranking for an Ole Miss team and it appeared pretty decent. But when digging deeper he essentially has had the same season Harsin got fired for but slightly better…he just had a much easier schedule up to that point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 minute ago, AUght2win said: The yards are genuinely impressive. But it doesn’t give me much solace. Looking at the yardage in the Auburn-LSU game this year shows how deceiving it can be. Its easy to forget two TDs were called back on penalties. Ole Miss hurt themselves a lot tonight. Key penalties and umcharacteristic turnovers all night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemytigerz 116 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Kiffin would win at Auburn. But, he won't build a perennial championship juggernaut, and we'll be stuck with a coach who wins a lot, but doesn't win it all. He'll never be an elite coach. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 33,982 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: I’d pull for Lane if he became coach…. But if we’re real honest…if Caddy brought in elite coaches he’d succeed too. Heck Harsin could have succeeded here if he hired elite coaches. I was somewhat good with the LK hire before today but I hadn’t really looked deeper. I (probably like many) saw he only lost 2 games to bama and LSU and saw the top 15 ranking for an Ole Miss team and it appeared pretty decent. But when digging deeper he essentially has had the same season Harsin got fired for but slightly better…he just had a much easier schedule up to that point Well I definitely don't agree with all of that but you bring up some good points. Hypocrisy at best is being shown based on preference. What I will say is I expect elite results for elite pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 33,982 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Just now, lovemytigerz said: Kiffin would win at Auburn. But, he won't build a perennial championship juggernaut, and we'll be stuck with a coach who wins a lot, but doesn't win it all. He'll never be an elite coach. Let's hope that is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunInRed 16,407 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemytigerz 116 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 minute ago, DAG said: Let's hope that is not true. Let's hope he's not the coach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU_Tiger_88 417 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, lovemytigerz said: Kiffin would win at Auburn. But, he won't build a perennial championship juggernaut, and we'll be stuck with a coach who wins a lot, but doesn't win it all. He'll never be an elite coach. I don't think he has the patience to build the juggernaut. Much like his recruiting, he tends to take an easier road...ala the portal. There are flags from HS coaches about him not visiting etc. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBiGGiE 2,488 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 51 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: Have y'all actually looked at the box score from this Ole Miss game? The Rebs have 650 yards of offense. 410 on the ground. Jackson Dart and the defense played like trash. But the run game was spectacular. 2 minutes ago, AUght2win said: Ya know what they say. “Total yards win championships”. That 2014 Auburn team churned out a lot of offense (that Iron Bowl in particular) and yet we were no where close to sniffing a championship berth. The problems I have with Kiffin is that, sure he plugged the holes in last year's roster with the portal, but he's never been anywhere long enough to show that he can build or sustain a team. That and the fact that he has a tendency to leave his defense and coordinators out to dry. If you know your defense is a liability, as a head coach you have to plan accordingly. Don't recall who said it but Kiffin is a great play caller, but great head coach is debatable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUght2win 6,836 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, lovemytigerz said: Kiffin would win at Auburn. But, he won't build a perennial championship juggernaut, and we'll be stuck with a coach who wins a lot, but doesn't win it all. He'll never be an elite coach. Aka Gus Malzahn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnatl1 4,911 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: Its easy to forget two TDs were called back on penalties. Ole Miss hurt themselves a lot tonight. Key penalties and umcharacteristic turnovers all night. They were down 42-6 90 secs into the 3rd quarter. It was s total blow out. The arky defense then checked out and the offense coasted. It is only one game and weird stuff sometimes happens. But there’s literally no glass half full perspective for this game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jptiger 481 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Caddy is great but he ain’t the answer. If we screw this up it’s curtains. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemytigerz 116 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, AU_Tiger_88 said: I don't think he has the patience to build the juggernaut. Much like his recruiting, he tends to take an easier road...ala the portal. There are flags from HS coaches about him not visiting etc. The juggernaut is built with swarming, overwhelming defense. Lane, like most offensive minded coaches, thinks he can just win shoot outs and that's all he needs. Arkansas destroyed his delusion tonight. Auburn needs to hire a great defensive coach, but it's hard to know which great defensive coach will successfully transform into a juggernaut building head coach. Dan Lanning has all the tools, the pedigree, and coached at UGA as Kirby re-built it into a juggernaut. Lanning just needs time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardin Drake 1,826 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 The Lane train: 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MustardSeed Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 11 minutes ago, AU_Tiger_88 said: There are flags from HS coaches about him not visiting etc. Wow. We just fired a guy with the same mentality. It’s double jeopardy and we’re over here like “Alex give me Stockholm Syndrome for 10 million” 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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