Editorial From a Christian: A question to conservative Christians on gay marriage: Why draw the line here?

[jj3jordan 2,051]

25 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Marriage is a govt thing. Govt was ordained of God by God to keep man from killing each other and to justly rule.  I am a dedicated Christian. But my so calls Brothers and Sisters have completely lost the Spirit. They LOVE the condemnation and judgment they find in the OT. They do not like the Love they see in the NT. They forsake Christ for political thinking. I truly believe that if Christ were to give an opinion on the parties, and I hate both parties, He would condemn both but would at least see that Team Blue has  some compassion. Team Red has been warped by RushHannity to the point that they have all but forsaken Christ. 

Jesus might have some compassion for babies in the womb.  Team blue is 60 million points behind on that one issue.  BTW nobody LOVES condemnation in any form. The Bible is the standard from which all standards are derived. Marriage, divorce, laws, government, salvation, and yes, condemnation. Team blue likes to erase the Bible from any situation or reference. Team Red does not.  Neither team has any perfect righteous players or coaches.  Denying the perfection of the Bible is a crucial mistake which upon judgement day will be indefensible.  You can accept the Bible as written, inspired by God who chose scribes to record it, or you can reject it and claim it is no good because humans transcribed it. My belief, and one shared by billions, is that God is capable of having His book recorded perfectly, without human error, and guiding the various conclaves that canonized the books included. Parsing the Bible and attempting to discredit the words are a flat out rejection of God's omnipotence over humans.  Marriage is one of the simplest institutions established and encouraged by God, and yet fallible sinful humans have chosen to reject this simple covenant and choose perversion over God's righteousness. 

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4 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

Jesus might have some compassion for babies in the womb.  Team blue is 60 million points behind on that one issue.  BTW nobody LOVES condemnation in any form. The Bible is the standard from which all standards are derived. Marriage, divorce, laws, government, salvation, and yes, condemnation. Team blue likes to erase the Bible from any situation or reference. Team Red does not.  Neither team has any perfect righteous players or coaches.  Denying the perfection of the Bible is a crucial mistake which upon judgement day will be indefensible.  You can accept the Bible as written, inspired by God who chose scribes to record it, or you can reject it and claim it is no good because humans transcribed it. My belief, and one shared by billions, is that God is capable of having His book recorded perfectly, without human error, and guiding the various conclaves that canonized the books included. Parsing the Bible and attempting to discredit the words are a flat out rejection of God's omnipotence over humans.  Marriage is one of the simplest institutions established and encouraged by God, and yet fallible sinful humans have chosen to reject this simple covenant and choose perversion over God's righteousness. 

Is God capable of inspiring the Quran (Koran)?  How about the Vedas?

Are cultures ignorant of the bible doomed to fail from a lack of values or knowledge of the biblical God?

Were there any successful cultures prior to the bible?

Edited December 29, 2022 by homersapien

[jj3jordan 2,051]

4 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Is God capable of inspiring the Quran (Koran)?  How about the Vidas?

Are cultures ignorant of the bible doomed to fail from a lack of values or knowledge of the biblical God?

Were there any successful cultures prior to the bible?

God is capable of doing anything He wants to do. Did He inspire the Koran? I do not know. I doubt it but that's my opinion.  What are the Vidas? Do you mean the Vedas? Same. I cannot pretend to know God's mind on that level. Only what is written in the Bible.

Salvation is an individual choice. Knowledge of an omnipotent God is innate.  I don't know what the definition of a successful culture is. They come and go it seems. Many of them flourish until they start embracing evil and perversion. Then they fail. So I guess my answer to you would be yes, they are doomed to fail without God.

Again with the Michelin stars. How would success be defined for a community from 2000 BC that succeeded on a survival level for a few hundred years and then faded away? Who knows?  Success it seems back then was not permanent, with destruction ultimately caused by rejection of God and replacing Him with idols.

[DKW 86 7,419]

3 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

Jesus might have some compassion for babies in the womb.  Team blue is 60 million points behind on that one issue.  BTW nobody LOVES condemnation in any form. The Bible is the standard from which all standards are derived. Marriage, divorce, laws, government, salvation, and yes, condemnation. Team blue likes to erase the Bible from any situation or reference. Team Red does not.  Neither team has any perfect righteous players or coaches.  Denying the perfection of the Bible is a crucial mistake which upon judgement day will be indefensible.  You can accept the Bible as written, inspired by God who chose scribes to record it, or you can reject it and claim it is no good because humans transcribed it. My belief, and one shared by billions, is that God is capable of having His book recorded perfectly, without human error, and guiding the various conclaves that canonized the books included. Parsing the Bible and attempting to discredit the words are a flat out rejection of God's omnipotence over humans.  Marriage is one of the simplest institutions established and encouraged by God, and yet fallible sinful humans have chosen to reject this simple covenant and choose perversion over God's righteousness. 

Then, Sir, go win the hearts and minds of the people. Free Choice is for all. Look, I am overweight and still a Christ follower although I keep doing the sin of gluttony. I do not condone sin, NOR do I judge another’s sin. Sin is sin. We all have to deal with it. Pride is likely the worst sin there is, IMHO. Yet we see prideful people inflicting themselves on the general population all the time. You are not condoning another’s sin at any level to allow gay people to marry and enjoy the legal benefits of a marriage. I know and love several gay couples. They were almost all church married. All were married by clergy. I have my own issues to deal with to be worried about someone else’s sin. I love all men and I try to lead by example. The example of judgment and condemnation is a loser if you are going that route. 

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3 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

God is capable of doing anything He wants to do. Did He inspire the Koran? I do not know. I doubt it but that's my opinion.  What are the Vidas? Do you mean the Vedas? Same. I cannot pretend to know God's mind on that level. Only what is written in the Bible.

Salvation is an individual choice. Knowledge of an omnipotent God is innate.  I don't know what the definition of a successful culture is. They come and go it seems. Many of them flourish until they start embracing evil and perversion. Then they fail. So I guess my answer to you would be yes, they are doomed to fail without God.

Again with the Michelin stars. How would success be defined for a community from 2000 BC that succeeded on a survival level for a few hundred years and then faded away? Who knows?  Success it seems back then was not permanent, with destruction ultimately caused by rejection of God and replacing Him with idols.

If you "cannot pretend to know God on that level" how can you be so sure the Bible is the one true source of knowing God? 

(Not to mention the fact it was written by men.)

[Gowebb11 9,314]

On 12/13/2022 at 9:03 AM, PUB78 said:

God ordained marriage between a man and a woman, not two people of the same sex.

Homosexuality is not normal or part of God’s plan for humanity. It exists because of sin. That is why God made a way for us to escape his judgement for our sins by sending his son to died on the cross so we can be “ born again” or become a new person with the Holy Spirit living in us to guide our thoughts, words and actions.

 

God calls gluttony a sin and says that all Sin is equal in separating one from God. What does your church say to the obese members of your church about that? I’m not trying to be rude or disrespectful but that is what the Bible teaches. I think it is short sighted the way Christians selectively choose to apply infallibility to some parts of the scripture but not others. 

Edited December 29, 2022 by Gowebb11

[PUB78 1,358]

22 minutes ago, Gowebb11 said:

God calls gluttony a sin and says that all Sin is equal in separating one from God. What does your church say to the obese members of your church about that? I’m not trying to be rude or disrespectful but that is what the Bible teaches. I think it is short sighted the way Christians selectively choose to apply infallibility to some parts of the scripture but not others. 

That’s why I am a PCA now instead of a Baptist. Too much fried chicken!🍗

I am not sure many obese people are that way due to gluttony, rather due to genetics and a  lack of exercise.

My past and current churches have never brought this up as a weight issue/sin, but preaches “ moderation “.

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28 minutes ago, PUB78 said:

That’s why I am a PCA now instead of a Baptist. Too much fried chicken!🍗

I am not sure many obese people are that way due to gluttony, rather due to genetics and a  lack of exercise.

My past and current churches have never brought this up as a weight issue/sin, but preaches “ moderation “.

Okay, exclude those who are obese due to genetics. There’s still a lot of church members who are there because of bad choices: gluttony. Does your church call them out? How about those in debt (ursury). Or women who don’t cover their hair? Or members who eat shellfish.  Or those who pray in public when the scripture plainly states to pray in private, not in public as the hypocrites. Also, what if there’s a genetic component to being gay?  Most science believes that to be the case. I was raised Southern Baptist and have read the Bible cover to cover for 5 decades. I believe it to be a wonderful book. But when one reads it very carefully, there’s a lot of commandments and sins listed that we tend to ignore. It’s part of the reason so many church pews are empty now. That’s my point. I’m not trying to belittle your faith. Just encouraging you to examine how literal you want to interpret the Bible when making judgments on others. Peace and blessings to you. 

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11 minutes ago, Gowebb11 said:

Okay, exclude those who are obese due to genetics. There’s still a lot of church members who are there because of bad choices: gluttony. Does your church call them out? How about those in debt (ursury). Or women who don’t cover their hair? Or members who eat shellfish.  Or those who pray in public when the scripture plainly states to pray in private, not in public as the hypocrites. Also, what if there’s a genetic component to being gay?  Most science believes that to be the case. I was raised Southern Baptist and have read the Bible cover to cover for 5 decades. I believe it to be a wonderful book. But when one reads it very carefully, there’s a lot of commandments and sins listed that we tend to ignore. It’s part of the reason so many church pews are empty now. That’s my point. I’m not trying to belittle your faith. Just encouraging you to examine how literal you want to interpret the Bible when making judgments on others. Peace and blessings to you. 

Our church does advise against debt, law suits, irresponsibility, abuse of your body, etc.

Many of the commandments you mentioned are those given by God to his chosen people and his covenant with Abraham.  With Christ, these are no longer applicable since he fulfilled the law.

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5 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Then, Sir, go win the hearts and minds of the people. Free Choice is for all. Look, I am overweight and still a Christ follower although I keep doing the sin of gluttony. I do not condone sin, NOR do I judge another’s sin. Sin is sin. We all have to deal with it. Pride is likely the worst sin there is, IMHO. Yet we see prideful people inflicting themselves on the general population all the time. You are not condoning another’s sin at any level to allow gay people to marry and enjoy the legal benefits of a marriage. I know and love several gay couples. They were almost all church married. All were married by clergy. I have my own issues to deal with to be worried about someone else’s sin. I love all men and I try to lead by example. The example of judgment and condemnation is a loser if you are going that route. 

Well stated. I also like to point out the parts of the New Testament that talks about subjecting yourself to the authorities. Render unto Caesar and Caesar has made gay marriage legal. 

[jj3jordan 2,051]

4 hours ago, Gowebb11 said:

God calls gluttony a sin and says that all Sin is equal in separating one from God. What does your church say to the obese members of your church about that? I’m not trying to be rude or disrespectful but that is what the Bible teaches. I think it is short sighted the way Christians selectively choose to apply infallibility to some parts of the scripture but not others. 

Gluttony is a tougher nut to crack than gay marriage. Define obese for us. Is there a chart? Is it like porn? Hard to define but you know it when you see it? I think gluttony is more a personal issue of attitude. Why are you so fat? The question we would like to ask a lot of people. You can be obese, trying to lose weight, making a good faith attempt but  possibly taking months or years to get to “not obese” which for the purposes of God appears to remain undefined. That’s different than actively practicing homosexuality with the full knowledge of God’s written word. But no one will convince you when your goal is to parse every situation you think can produce a chink in the armor of God. Won’t happen. Not here. Not ever. Leftists love to rationalize how okay their perverted acts are to try and assuage their guilt but it will never succeed. No matter how hard they try, they still feel the guilt. That is God knocking on their door. And they continuously attack the Bible and Christians with the old law of Moses with the hair and shellfish. Good luck that’s all been covered. If you want to reject God, own it. If you want to change God, doubt you will succeed. 

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On 12/29/2022 at 3:19 PM, homersapien said:

If you "cannot pretend to know God on that level" how can you be so sure the Bible is the one true source of knowing God? 

(Not to mention the fact it was written by men.)

Thank you.

The bible can never be a substitute for a relationship with Jesus.  Salvation is through the love of Jesus, not the bible.  You can memorize the bible, live the bible and,,, without knowing the love of Jesus,,, you have nothing.

[SaltyTiger 7,792]

42 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

Thank you.

The bible can never be a substitute for a relationship with Jesus.  Salvation is through the love of Jesus, not the bible.  You can memorize the bible, live the bible and,,, without knowing the love of Jesus,,, you have nothing.

Christians would agree with you. The Old exemplifies failure after failure after failure. Jesus was not pleased with the church or teachers. 

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6 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Christians would agree with you. The Old exemplifies failure after failure after failure. Jesus was not pleased with the church or teachers. 

Such is the nature of religion.  Part of the message of Jesus is/was,,, we have lost God in the scripture, law, the religion.

IMHO, the bible is best at revealing the spirit, the nature of Jesus.  Yet, we too often lose Jesus, His love, in the bible.

[ScotsAU 1,322]

On 12/29/2022 at 8:33 PM, jj3jordan said:

Gluttony is a tougher nut to crack than gay marriage. Define obese for us. Is there a chart? Is it like porn? Hard to define but you know it when you see it? I think gluttony is more a personal issue of attitude. Why are you so fat? The question we would like to ask a lot of people. You can be obese, trying to lose weight, making a good faith attempt but  possibly taking months or years to get to “not obese” which for the purposes of God appears to remain undefined. That’s different than actively practicing homosexuality with the full knowledge of God’s written word. But no one will convince you when your goal is to parse every situation you think can produce a chink in the armor of God. Won’t happen. Not here. Not ever. Leftists love to rationalize how okay their perverted acts are to try and assuage their guilt but it will never succeed. No matter how hard they try, they still feel the guilt. That is God knocking on their door. And they continuously attack the Bible and Christians with the old law of Moses with the hair and shellfish. Good luck that’s all been covered. If you want to reject God, own it. If you want to change God, doubt you will succeed. 

I have a PhD in psychology, and am familiar with all of the journal article research out there on sexual orientation. It’s is largely determined pre-birth. I’m also familiar with the psychological research on obesity. With the former, there’s constant push for people to ignore their feelings and just use will power to fake being straight. The folks that do suffer high rates of depression and suicide. There are very similar situations with obese people… Why can’t you just show some restraint and willpower and stop eating? Yet, more and more research is coming out on how obesity results from a deeply ingrained psychological difference. These two things are not that dissimilar. In both cases, you have someone with a biological difference in brain chemistry acting in a way that is different from the norm or average. If being gay is a sin and gluttony is also a sin, why is it that being gay is so looked down on and nobody condemns gluttony?

And to turn this on you, a straight person, why don’t you imagine an alternate reality where religious figures are telling you that you can’t be with someone of the opposite sex? How would you feel? Could you stand being in a “fake” relationship of someone of the same gender? Could you stand to just be single the rest of your life because you are supposed to ignore your feelings? I have a feeling you’ll try to say no. But you’d either be lying or you won’t have actually imagined it. 

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3 hours ago, ScotsAU said:

I have a PhD in psychology, and am familiar with all of the journal article research out there on sexual orientation. It’s is largely determined pre-birth. I’m also familiar with the psychological research on obesity. With the former, there’s constant push for people to ignore their feelings and just use will power to fake being straight. The folks that do suffer high rates of depression and suicide. There are very similar situations with obese people… Why can’t you just show some restraint and willpower and stop eating? Yet, more and more research is coming out on how obesity results from a deeply ingrained psychological difference. These two things are not that dissimilar. In both cases, you have someone with a biological difference in brain chemistry acting in a way that is different from the norm or average. If being gay is a sin and gluttony is also a sin, why is it that being gay is so looked down on and nobody condemns gluttony?

And to turn this on you, a straight person, why don’t you imagine an alternate reality where religious figures are telling you that you can’t be with someone of the opposite sex? How would you feel? Could you stand being in a “fake” relationship of someone of the same gender? Could you stand to just be single the rest of your life because you are supposed to ignore your feelings? I have a feeling you’ll try to say no. But you’d either be lying or you won’t have actually imagined it. 

No I have not imagined God telling me I can’t be in a relationship with a woman. That scenario is ludicrous. God would not write in the Bible that man and woman should marry and reproduce and then some time later contradict Himself.  By pre-birth you must mean a gay gene. Currently has not been found to exist. It is literally the holy grail of atheists and agnostics and those who just hate God because then they can blame God, not themselves for their choices. Gluttony has to do with how and how much a person eats. It can’t be compared with homosexuality at all.  Eating is not a sin obviously, where homosexuality clearly is. When you add in some psychological elements to eating then you can cross the line from eating normally to exist to gluttony. I agree that there have to be some psychological reasons behind why some people are fat when it seems they have no will power. It is complicated beyond my level of understanding. I have a close relative who is excessively fat with no obvious explanation. Deeply ingrained psychological differences is not an explanation of anything. It does not sound genetic as you describe it. The Bible is clear. God is clear. Religious figures are not the standard for establishing policy on homosexuality. Above their pay grade. I agree obesity is a huge issue and a result of overeating/gluttony. 

 

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1 hour ago, jj3jordan said:

The Bible is clear. God is clear.

This is not true.

The translations are inconsistent and, disputed.  Jesus commanded us to love all without ANY exception.  Jesus said we are all sinners, all equal.  Jesus said HE is the word.

The bible is not the basis of faith or, salvation.  The love and sacrifice of Jesus is everything.

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40 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

This is not true.

The translations are inconsistent and, disputed.  Jesus commanded us to love all without ANY exception.  Jesus said we are all sinners, all equal.  Jesus said HE is the word.

The bible is not the basis of faith or, salvation.  The love and sacrifice of Jesus is everything.

This IS true. The Bible (capital letter) is true. You cannot deny the truth of the Bible and claim ANY knowledge of Jesus. You are also denying Jesus when you deny the Bible. Jesus is part of the Holy Trinity. Fully man and fully God. BTW where did you learn all that love and sacrifice of Jesus that is everything?  FROM THE BIBLE. You believe some parts but not all? So YOU decide which parts of the Bible are true? Are you joking? You disrespect the Bible by using a lower case letter. Sinners dispute the Bible by blaming humans and translators but they are just trying to rationalize their sin nature. You are going to seriously take the word of a human translator/expert on the Bible over the actual AUTHOR of the Bible?

[DKW 86 7,419]

1 hour ago, jj3jordan said:

This IS true. The Bible (capital letter) is true. You cannot deny the truth of the Bible and claim ANY knowledge of Jesus. You are also denying Jesus when you deny the Bible. Jesus is part of the Holy Trinity. Fully man and fully God. BTW where did you learn all that love and sacrifice of Jesus that is everything?  FROM THE BIBLE. You believe some parts but not all? So YOU decide which parts of the Bible are true? Are you joking? You disrespect the Bible by using a lower case letter. Sinners dispute the Bible by blaming humans and translators but they are just trying to rationalize their sin nature. You are going to seriously take the word of a human translator/expert on the Bible over the actual AUTHOR of the Bible?

But as ichy said, you can know every scripture in the Bible by heart and not know God and Christ and the Love thereof.  I can know a recipe book backwards and forwards and not be able to cook worth a damn. Knowing the mechanics does not teach you to eat with the harlots and the tax collectors, or how bear fruit in a spiritual wilderness. Going to 1000 Bible studies cant teach you how to wash the feet of those you serve with and the humility that comes with that object lesson. Knowing the words and the sentence structure cannot prepare you for the knowing what it meant for Christ to forgive those that crucified him while close to agonizing death. 

Sir there is a world of knowledge and understanding that you cannot find in simply reading scripture. I apologize to those that dont understand the words I use. But i know i have met many supposedly educated and trained men that pastored many churches and yet never knew Christ. Unfortunately they are still around. Joel Osteen, Greg Locke, Steven Furtich, Kenneth Copeland, and so many more that have made million$ off the people and yet dont know Christ now and likely never will. They corrupt the work and testimony of the church. They make a real Christian's heart break. 

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2 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

But as ichy said, you can know every scripture in the Bible by heart and not know God and Christ and the Love thereof.  I can know a recipe book backwards and forwards and not be able to cook worth a damn. Knowing the mechanics does not teach you to eat with the harlots and the tax collectors, or how bear fruit in a spiritual wilderness. Going to 1000 Bible studies cant teach you how to wash the feet of those you serve with and the humility that comes with that object lesson. Knowing the words and the sentence structure cannot prepare you for the knowing what it meant for Christ to forgive those that crucified him while close to agonizing death. 

Sir there is a world of knowledge and understanding that you cannot find in simply reading scripture. I apologize to those that dont understand the words I use. But i know i have met many supposedly educated and trained men that pastored many churches and yet never knew Christ. Unfortunately they are still around. Joel Osteen, Greg Locke, Steven Furtich, Kenneth Copeland, and so many more that have made million$ off the people and yet dont know Christ now and likely never will. They corrupt the work and testimony of the church. They make a real Christian's heart break. 

Totally agree on the money grubbing mega pastors. Also completely irrelevant to this conversation. Your first paragraph repeats numerous parts of well know Bible scripture. But ICHY is denying the truth of the Bible as written which would call into question the stories themselves. Bible studies and reading books does give you insight and skills into various subjects. At Bible study you would likely learn about washing others feet. What you say about knowing every scripture is technically possible. However I doubt seriously if anyone could actually learn all of it and NOT become to know God and Christ and the Love thereof.  ICHY basically said the Bible is disputed, don't read it it ain't true, just love Jesus. That's bad advice.

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On 2/3/2023 at 9:02 PM, jj3jordan said:

Totally agree on the money grubbing mega pastors. Also completely irrelevant to this conversation. Your first paragraph repeats numerous parts of well know Bible scripture. But ICHY is denying the truth of the Bible as written which would call into question the stories themselves. Bible studies and reading books does give you insight and skills into various subjects. At Bible study you would likely learn about washing others feet. What you say about knowing every scripture is technically possible. However I doubt seriously if anyone could actually learn all of it and NOT become to know God and Christ and the Love thereof.  ICHY basically said the Bible is disputed, don't read it it ain't true, just love Jesus. That's bad advice.

You are totally missing ICHY's point. 

Worshiping the "truth of the Bible" is idolatry.  That's the same problem many of our Islamic brothers have. 

Even I understand that (and I am not a "believer").

Edited February 6, 2023 by homersapien

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51 minutes ago, homersapien said:

You are totally missing ICHY's point. 

Worshiping the "truth of the Bible" is idolatry.  That's the same problem many of our Islamic brothers have. 

Even I understand that (and I am not a "believer").

I’m not worshiping it. Just saying it is truth not fiction or truth lost in translation.

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2 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

Totally agree on the money grubbing mega pastors. Also completely irrelevant to this conversation. Your first paragraph repeats numerous parts of well know Bible scripture. But ICHY is denying the truth of the Bible as written which would call into question the stories themselves. Bible studies and reading books does give you insight and skills into various subjects. At Bible study you would likely learn about washing others feet. What you say about knowing every scripture is technically possible. However I doubt seriously if anyone could actually learn all of it and NOT become to know God and Christ and the Love thereof.  ICHY basically said the Bible is disputed, don't read it it ain't true, just love Jesus. That's bad advice.

No.  That is not what I said. 

To take everything in the bible as literal, absolute word of God is wrong.  The bible is useful in understanding the spirit of Jesus.  To equate it to Jesus, God, is simply creating a man made god. 

As Jesus told us, being loving and kind is his commandment to us.  When we do this, only this, are we truly obeying.  Jesus warned the children of Israel that they had lost God in tradition, custom, law, scripture.  I think we should not make the same mistake.

Jesus was very clear.  Jesus in your heart is undeniable.  The bible has many inconsistencies.  The absolute belief in the bible has caused many serious crimes against humanity.  It has too often been used as a means of control, to legitimize illegitimate power.

I pray all will attempt to use their spirits to touch the spirit of Jesus.  Jesus in your heart is all you need.

[homersapien 11,367]

11 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

I’m not worshiping it. Just saying it is truth not fiction or truth lost in translation.

Nonsense.  It was written - and re-written - by humans, thousands of years ago and reflects the culture of their time. That's the "truth".

Edited February 4, 2023 by homersapien

[ScotsAU 1,322]

How do you debate someone who denies science and think’s their pastor’s narrow interpretation of the Bible holds more credibility than scientists, doctors, biblical scholars, and experts? That’s the real issue. It’s not a matter of what is logical. So many people from very fundamentalist backgrounds have heard this same anti-gay rhetoric for years to the point where they have an excuse for everything, and ignore the pieces that don’t have explanations for.