QB Coaching

[IronMan70 3,277]

The group that wanted to fire Garner suddenly went silent after some recruiting success.

Garner has had one...ONE Defensive Lineman...of alllllllllll that talent...in THREE years make the All-SEC Team.

As a bonus...the #1 player in the 2015 class (IIRC, the first #1 ranked player EVER at Auburn) couldn't notch a single sack EVEN with Lawson out, creating ample opportunities.

The problem with our Defensive Line isn't talent.

The group that was on here daily wanting to fire Garner is still active? I must be missing their posts somehow. In the meantime, Garner's job includes Recruiting Coordinator, and said recruiting has been going quite well even with huge staff turnovers. Also, one DL to make All-SEC in three years is one more than we've had at linebacker, so relatively speaking he's not been too bad at coaching either.

We've employed a FOUR-man DL the last 3 seasons...compared to a TWO-man LB. So double the odds.

Bottom line...with his stud recruiting...there are no excuses why he shouldn't have at least one DL make the 1st or 2nd Team All-SEC team per season.

Making a popularity contest list is not the measure, well unless you think Braden Smith is really just a preseason 3rd team all-SEC guard. A lot of politics are involved in those beauty contest lists just like they are with All-American lists. The important list and the one that shows the measure of a coach comes on draft day as well as the FA signings list.

Garner is putting AU players in the league and he did the same thing at Georgia. He will add at a minimum 2 more with this draft, Adams, Lawson and possibly 4 with Lawrence, Swain. Garner recruited and is developing all those guys just like he did with Gabe Wright and Angelo Blackson. He just signed arguably the best DL class in the country. That level of talent won't go play for a coach that can't develop them.

There were no politics involved in Nick Fairley and Dee Ford making 1st Team All-SEC. They earned it with double digit sacks. In fact, if politics were involved, Fairley would have never made All-SEC as after the Georgia melee, the SEC targeted him in the Iron Bowl.

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Thankfully, the Lombardi winner didn't fold like so many of Garner's have the last 2 seasons.

So you DO think Smith is just a 3rd team SECer ? Come on man, All-American and All-Conference lists are loaded with politics. Garner continues to recruit well, develop his players and put players in the league. That means more than all the Mickey Mouse beauty contest lists combined.

[DAG 33,981]

The group that wanted to fire Garner suddenly went silent after some recruiting success.

Garner has had one...ONE Defensive Lineman...of alllllllllll that talent...in THREE years make the All-SEC Team.

As a bonus...the #1 player in the 2015 class (IIRC, the first #1 ranked player EVER at Auburn) couldn't notch a single sack EVEN with Lawson out, creating ample opportunities.

The problem with our Defensive Line isn't talent.

The group that was on here daily wanting to fire Garner is still active? I must be missing their posts somehow. In the meantime, Garner's job includes Recruiting Coordinator, and said recruiting has been going quite well even with huge staff turnovers. Also, one DL to make All-SEC in three years is one more than we've had at linebacker, so relatively speaking he's not been too bad at coaching either.

We've employed a FOUR-man DL the last 3 seasons...compared to a TWO-man LB. So double the odds.

Bottom line...with his stud recruiting...there are no excuses why he shouldn't have at least one DL make the 1st or 2nd Team All-SEC team per season.

Making a popularity contest list is not the measure, well unless you think Braden Smith is really just a preseason 3rd team all-SEC guard. A lot of politics are involved in those beauty contest lists just like they are with All-American lists. The important list and the one that shows the measure of a coach comes on draft day as well as the FA signings list.

Garner is putting AU players in the league and he did the same thing at Georgia. He will add at a minimum 2 more with this draft, Adams, Lawson and possibly 4 with Lawrence, Swain. Garner recruited and is developing all those guys just like he did with Gabe Wright and Angelo Blackson. He just signed arguably the best DL class in the country. That level of talent won't go play for a coach that can't develop them.

There were no politics involved in Nick Fairley and Dee Ford making 1st Team All-SEC. They earned it with double digit sacks. In fact, if politics were involved, Fairley would have never made All-SEC as after the Georgia melee, the SEC targeted him in the Iron Bowl.

.

Thankfully, the Lombardi winner didn't fold like so many of Garner's have the last 2 seasons.

So you DO think Smith is just a 3rd team SECer ? Come on man, All-American and All-Conference lists are loaded with politics. Garner continues to recruit well, develop his players and put players in the league. That means more than all the Mickey Mouse beauty contest lists combined.

I have no dog in this fight. CRG has recruited well, however as far as development goes, AU has been in the bottom half of rush defense since RG started in 2013. In fact, AU hasn't been in the upper half of rush defense since the 2010 season, where we were indeed the #1 rush defense in the SEC. Now, in 2013 we were top 3 in sacks for the sec, but in 2014 and 2015, we also fell to the bottom half of sacks obtained by a SEC team. We've also been prone to give up long rush plays. In the last three years of RG tenure, AU has given up 81 +10 yards plays in 13, 79 in 14 and 72 in 15. We have been one of the top three worst rush defenses in giving up long runs for the last three consecutive years. These are just numbers. All of this to say, it is time for this talent, to show up on the field.

[VipersStrike1 230]

The group that wanted to fire Garner suddenly went silent after some recruiting success.

Garner has had one...ONE Defensive Lineman...of alllllllllll that talent...in THREE years make the All-SEC Team.

As a bonus...the #1 player in the 2015 class (IIRC, the first #1 ranked player EVER at Auburn) couldn't notch a single sack EVEN with Lawson out, creating ample opportunities.

The problem with our Defensive Line isn't talent.

The group that was on here daily wanting to fire Garner is still active? I must be missing their posts somehow. In the meantime, Garner's job includes Recruiting Coordinator, and said recruiting has been going quite well even with huge staff turnovers. Also, one DL to make All-SEC in three years is one more than we've had at linebacker, so relatively speaking he's not been too bad at coaching either.

We've employed a FOUR-man DL the last 3 seasons...compared to a TWO-man LB. So double the odds.

Bottom line...with his stud recruiting...there are no excuses why he shouldn't have at least one DL make the 1st or 2nd Team All-SEC team per season.

Making a popularity contest list is not the measure, well unless you think Braden Smith is really just a preseason 3rd team all-SEC guard. A lot of politics are involved in those beauty contest lists just like they are with All-American lists. The important list and the one that shows the measure of a coach comes on draft day as well as the FA signings list.

Garner is putting AU players in the league and he did the same thing at Georgia. He will add at a minimum 2 more with this draft, Adams, Lawson and possibly 4 with Lawrence, Swain. Garner recruited and is developing all those guys just like he did with Gabe Wright and Angelo Blackson. He just signed arguably the best DL class in the country. That level of talent won't go play for a coach that can't develop them.

There were no politics involved in Nick Fairley and Dee Ford making 1st Team All-SEC. They earned it with double digit sacks. In fact, if politics were involved, Fairley would have never made All-SEC as after the Georgia melee, the SEC targeted him in the Iron Bowl.

.

Thankfully, the Lombardi winner didn't fold like so many of Garner's have the last 2 seasons.

So you DO think Smith is just a 3rd team SECer ? Come on man, All-American and All-Conference lists are loaded with politics. Garner continues to recruit well, develop his players and put players in the league. That means more than all the Mickey Mouse beauty contest lists combined.

Smith is OL, where Auburn hasn't had major issues the last 2 seasons.

Pre-season All-SEC teams do not equal Post-season All-SEC teams. Did Pre-season 1st Team All-SEC Jonathan Jones make any Post-season All-SEC team last season? Was there politics involved in those two separate lists?

Compared to our rivals LSU, Georgia and bammer, Garner is doing a pathetic job developing his D-Linemen.

Gabe Wright SHOULD have lived up to his hype given his talent. He had the potential to be All-SEC / All-American / Round 1-2 player. Instead, he managed just ONE sack his Senior season.

Besides Dee Ford, what other AU D-Linemen have gone in Rounds 1-3 the last 3 seasons? Compare that number to those three rivals. The numbers are embarrassing.

[VipersStrike1 230]

in 2013 we were top 3 in sacks for the sec, but in 2014 and 2015, we also fell to the bottom half of sacks obtained by a SEC team.

Don't you realize when Lawson got injured, so did his three clones?

it is time for this talent, to show up on the field.

Perhaps the most talent...ON PAPER...I've ever seen at AU on the DL.

Our DL should be 1988/2004 scary good the next 3 years.

Unfortunately, they're coached by Garner and won't live up to their potential.

[IronMan70 3,277]

So you DO think Smith is just a 3rd team SECer ? Come on man, All-American and All-Conference lists are loaded with politics. Garner continues to recruit well, develop his players and put players in the league. That means more than all the Mickey Mouse beauty contest lists combined.

I have no dog in this fight. CRG has recruited well, however as far as development goes, AU has been in the bottom half of rush defense since RG started in 2013. In fact, AU hasn't been in the upper half of rush defense since the 2010 season, where we were indeed the #1 rush defense in the SEC. Now, in 2013 we were top 3 in sacks for the sec, but in 2014 and 2015, we also fell to the bottom half of sacks obtained by a SEC team. We've also been prone to give up long rush plays. In the last three years of RG tenure, AU has given up 81 +10 yards plays in 13, 79 in 14 and 72 in 15. We have been one of the top three worst rush defenses in giving up long runs for the last three consecutive years. These are just numbers. All of this to say, it is time for this talent, to show up on the field.

I can make a lengthy stat based response to that but I will just say that rushing stats are also a function of the quality of the play at LB (and vice versa) as well as the depth at both positions. It does no good for the DL to maintain gap integrity if LBs don't fill their lane or can't get off blockers.

It also hasn't helped us to run through DCs and LB coaches every year. In spite of that, Garner has continued to put his DL players in the league and it's building each year. Now we have the 'quality' depth on the DL we have wanted. I'm hoping T-Will can get those LBs playing at a higher level to go with it.

[bigbird 60,515]

To be fair, the Rush D numbers are very skewed due to the poor LB play. Injuries on the DL haven't helped, but when the DL maintains their gap and the LB can't find his, well...that's a big problem.

[IronMan70 3,277]

So you DO think Smith is just a 3rd team SECer ? Come on man, All-American and All-Conference lists are loaded with politics. Garner continues to recruit well, develop his players and put players in the league. That means more than all the Mickey Mouse beauty contest lists combined.

Smith is OL, where Auburn hasn't had major issues the last 2 seasons.

Pre-season All-SEC teams do not equal Post-season All-SEC teams. Did Pre-season 1st Team All-SEC Jonathan Jones make any Post-season All-SEC team last season? Was there politics involved in those two separate lists?

Compared to our rivals LSU, Georgia and bammer, Garner is doing a pathetic job developing his D-Linemen.

Gabe Wright SHOULD have lived up to his hype given his talent. He had the potential to be All-SEC / All-American / Round 1-2 player. Instead, he managed just ONE sack his Senior season.

Besides Dee Ford, what other AU D-Linemen have gone in Rounds 1-3 the last 3 seasons? Compare that number to those three rivals. The numbers are embarrassing.

How does that address Smith only being 3rd team ?

Pre-season and post season lists are made by the same people. The lists are heavily influenced by politics and uninformed opinions. As just one example, I gave you Smith being on the 3rd team. They are meaningless and don't measure the quality of a coach.

Our rivals had a big head start on Garner but, after only 3 years, he is quickly catching up to them in the quality of recruits, depth and NFL placement. This year he will likely have the best 3 deep (12 players) that AU has seen all at one time. Along with that he will see his best NFL Draft/FA class this year and it's building. It will get better and better.

[auburnphan 6,050]

I'm all for CRL moving on next year and lets give Briles the job, redemption...problem was systematic I believe.

[Tiger 8,823]

Was it a systematic problem once he got there or does it go back to before he was hired? Because I'd think their football program would have been much less of a joke prior to Briles' arrival if they were "looking out" for their players for longer than Briles' tenure.

[Maverick.AU 13,279]

To be fair, the Rush D numbers are very skewed due to the poor LB play. Injuries on the DL haven't helped, but when the DL maintains their gap and the LB can't find his, well...that's a big problem.

Agree 100% bird. Been saying this to myself for awhile

[Mikey 16,580]

To be fair, the Rush D numbers are very skewed due to the poor LB play. Injuries on the DL haven't helped, but when the DL maintains their gap and the LB can't find his, well...that's a big problem.

Beat me to it.

[cole256 17,053]

We should just put the coaches each user like on their profile.....It would save so much ramble on the board. Players too actually....

[ClaytonAU 4,606]

We should just put the coaches each user like on their profile.....It would save so much ramble on the board. Players too actually....

That'd be really funny

[VipersStrike1 230]

So you DO think Smith is just a 3rd team SECer ? Come on man, All-American and All-Conference lists are loaded with politics. Garner continues to recruit well, develop his players and put players in the league. That means more than all the Mickey Mouse beauty contest lists combined.

Smith is OL, where Auburn hasn't had major issues the last 2 seasons.

Pre-season All-SEC teams do not equal Post-season All-SEC teams. Did Pre-season 1st Team All-SEC Jonathan Jones make any Post-season All-SEC team last season? Was there politics involved in those two separate lists?

Compared to our rivals LSU, Georgia and bammer, Garner is doing a pathetic job developing his D-Linemen.

Gabe Wright SHOULD have lived up to his hype given his talent. He had the potential to be All-SEC / All-American / Round 1-2 player. Instead, he managed just ONE sack his Senior season.

Besides Dee Ford, what other AU D-Linemen have gone in Rounds 1-3 the last 3 seasons? Compare that number to those three rivals. The numbers are embarrassing.

How does that address Smith only being 3rd team ?

Pre-season and post season lists are made by the same people. The lists are heavily influenced by politics and uninformed opinions. As just one example, I gave you Smith being on the 3rd team. They are meaningless and don't measure the quality of a coach.

Our rivals had a big head start on Garner but, after only 3 years, he is quickly catching up to them in the quality of recruits, depth and NFL placement. This year he will likely have the best 3 deep (12 players) that AU has seen all at one time. Along with that he will see his best NFL Draft/FA class this year and it's building. It will get better and better.

I'll ask again...if politics are involved, how did Jonathan Jones make the 1st Team Pre-season All-SEC team?

LSU and Georgia have both had defensive coach turnover after Garner arrived at AU, yet they have STILL put more DL on All-SEC teams and Rounds 1-3 than us the past 3 years.

Garner is doing anything BUT catching up to LSU, Georgia and bammer. In fact, he's progressively moving backwards. ONE Rounds 1-3 draft pick in THREE seasons. I think Missouri has done better. The numbers are the facts.

Garner better hope selling multiple blue chips equals to better production because he has proven he fails to develop them.

[DAG 33,981]

All I have is stats to defend my position. Whether they are skewed or not, or who takes the brunt of the blame is up to interpretation. What is not up to interpretation is the total rush defense has been dreadful the last three years. We have given up big run after big run from the LOS since 2013. We gave up 131 1st downs on runs last year, the third highest in the SEC. The teams only worst than us has been Texas A&M and occasionally USCe. Sacks has declined greatly since 2013 and last year we were dead last in tackles for loss after being middle of the road in 2014. As much talent as we have, this absolutely should not be acceptable under any circumstances. We can give and take in the secondary, but when your front seven is unreliable, that provides a recipe for disaster. Interesting enough, statistically, both Frost and Cass had better or comparable LB numbers than Josh Bynes from 2010, yet we had a much better run defense in 2010. The difference? Auburn had noticeably better downline man play. In 15' we didn't have 1 DL have more than 2.5 sacks for the season. Cass had 5. In 2010? We had 4.

[AUIH1 1,515]

My opinion of CRG as an on the field coach has not changed. I hope he can prove me wrong starting against Clemson. The position he is paid to coach and develop has an abundance of talent. He did do an outstanding job recruiting in this past class (which I gave him credit for at the time).

wde

[VipersStrike1 230]

What is not up to interpretation is the total rush defense has been dreadful the last three years. We have given up big run after big run from the LOS since 2013. We gave up 131 1st downs on runs last year, the third highest in the SEC. The teams only worst than us has been Texas A&M and occasionally USCe. Sacks has declined greatly since 2013 and last year we were dead last in tackles for loss after being middle of the road in 2014. As much talent as we have, this absolutely should not be acceptable under any circumstances.

But "Garner has continued to put his DL players in the league and it's building each year"

Really? Which D-Linemen were drafted in 2016?

[ClaytonAU 4,606]

What is not up to interpretation is the total rush defense has been dreadful the last three years. We have given up big run after big run from the LOS since 2013. We gave up 131 1st downs on runs last year, the third highest in the SEC. The teams only worst than us has been Texas A&M and occasionally USCe. Sacks has declined greatly since 2013 and last year we were dead last in tackles for loss after being middle of the road in 2014. As much talent as we have, this absolutely should not be acceptable under any circumstances.

But "Garner has continued to put his DL players in the league and it's building each year"

Really? Which D-Linemen were drafted in 2016?

Of the 1 senior DL (Kemiya Harrell) saw only action in Idaho... He wasn't going to get drafted and I believe he graduated and left the team... Of the other 5 JR DL none of them declared... Soooo... You're wrong man.

[IronMan70 3,277]

What is not up to interpretation is the total rush defense has been dreadful the last three years. We have given up big run after big run from the LOS since 2013. We gave up 131 1st downs on runs last year, the third highest in the SEC. The teams only worst than us has been Texas A&M and occasionally USCe. Sacks has declined greatly since 2013 and last year we were dead last in tackles for loss after being middle of the road in 2014. As much talent as we have, this absolutely should not be acceptable under any circumstances.

But "Garner has continued to put his DL players in the league and it's building each year"

Really? Which D-Linemen were drafted in 2016?

What DLs declared for the '16 draft ? Also, I said the draft and FA, several times. Read the posts instead of trying to be a smartass. You might do better.

[PoetTiger 1,896]

Who left the door open ...Garner haters came out like roaches in the dark

[ClaytonAU 4,606]

What is not up to interpretation is the total rush defense has been dreadful the last three years. We have given up big run after big run from the LOS since 2013. We gave up 131 1st downs on runs last year, the third highest in the SEC. The teams only worst than us has been Texas A&M and occasionally USCe. Sacks has declined greatly since 2013 and last year we were dead last in tackles for loss after being middle of the road in 2014. As much talent as we have, this absolutely should not be acceptable under any circumstances.

But "Garner has continued to put his DL players in the league and it's building each year"

Really? Which D-Linemen were drafted in 2016?

What DLs declared for the '16 draft ? Also, I said the draft and FA, several times. Read the posts instead of trying to be a smartass. You might do better.

Beat you to it

[AUpreacherman22 3,885]

With JFIII this season Gus will prove he can coach QB's

Hello, Mr. Franklin, how's your summer treating you?

You mean Mrs. Franklin. That's the kind of love only a mother can have.

I wish your son the best Mrs. Franklin. War Eagle!

[Eagle Eye 7 2,535]

Jay I agree with your thought, I think that folks put to much concern with staying up with bama now. First we are in the toughest division in the toughest conference in US. We usually have 5 or six top 25 preseason, Nearly every year all 7 make a bowl game, On top of that we get to play 6 of them, then we get two more from the eastside and one power 5 non-conference team, College football has changed to be about like the NFL. Remember there are usually 8-8 teams making the playoffs in the NFL. Most of their fans are happy if they can go 8-8 and make a playoff and maybe advance a game or two. Unfortunately bama under nick has changed peoples thoughts. They fail to remember before Nick bama lost 7 straight years to us. And post Nick they will return to 7 win seasons. Nick has been very lucky. Quite a few things have fell their way. Getting into playoff games that they did not deserve like 2012 or last year. Fluke plays like the last play of the Arky/OM game saved them from being left out. I still don't belive that everything they are doing is above board, What I do know is that sooner or later they will come crashing back to earth. I can go back and show you several games the last two years that could have and should have went our way and we could have won 9 or ten games. But that would not have made you happy either, In the past few years uat been the bell weather team, They have won the SEC 3 times and AU has won it twice in the same time frame. No other team has won it more than once, during that time. Folks need to get their heads out of their rears and understand, while we might not have meet up to all their stupid expectations, we have done respectably well in comparison to all teams not named bama over the last few years. That is why smart men like Jacobs run a multimillion business like AU instead of folks on message boards. We could make stupid mistakes like uga did and LSU almost did in firing very good coaches because they couldn't get the breaks that nick is getting. You would probably be better suited to spend your energy and money getting Emmit removed from the NCAA, TIFWIW. WDE

[WarTim 3,456]

Who left the door open ...Garner haters came out like roaches in the dark

Thanks. This thread needed some humor...

[IronMan70 3,277]

What is not up to interpretation is the total rush defense has been dreadful the last three years. We have given up big run after big run from the LOS since 2013. We gave up 131 1st downs on runs last year, the third highest in the SEC. The teams only worst than us has been Texas A&M and occasionally USCe. Sacks has declined greatly since 2013 and last year we were dead last in tackles for loss after being middle of the road in 2014. As much talent as we have, this absolutely should not be acceptable under any circumstances.

But "Garner has continued to put his DL players in the league and it's building each year"

Really? Which D-Linemen were drafted in 2016?

What DLs declared for the '16 draft ? Also, I said the draft and FA, several times. Read the posts instead of trying to be a smartass. You might do better.

Beat you to it

Haha, yes you did.