I'm confused, but sw and jj are the same

[AURealist 2,185]

This cynical social experiment thread is still running?

It's been READY 4 LOCK since page one.

What did I say as far as football that you dispute? My next question is why could you criticize jj but it's the end of the world that I do the same to sw? I mean the worst thing I've said is he has made some of the same mistakes as jj.... why didn't I ever read anybody say a jj bashing thread need to be locked? And this isn't anything close to that.

Why am I catching heat for commenting on the same exact stuff I said about jj? Nobody checked me for saying the same stuff about him. I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. People are really mad.

Who is angry?

As far as football goes, your opinion is not far off. But is this thread about football, cole? Or is it about the people who post comments about football?

Actually, I wasn't calling for this thread to be locked. I was just insinuating that there's a less than noble purpose behind it, so nothing good would come of it. Since this thread was started and exists merely to amuse you, yourself, by seemingly exposing others' biases while in actuality, merely reinforcing your own, it serves no honest football purpose. Your running commentary makes that much clear to anyone paying attention. And since your experiment isn't really working that well, you're now resorting to projecting intentions onto others that don't exist just to maintain the pretense that it's an honest thread about your own impressions of SW's play. C'mon, accusing me of actually calling for a lock on thread and that it's because I'm upset with your impressions of SW's play, for instance, is just silly. I've never actually called for a thread lock on any board, (but do kid about it from time to time...)

You know, or should know, from my past and current posts, I of all people here have absolutely no problem with any critical analyses of JJ's or SW's or Gus' or Rhett's or anybody's football-related performance. In truth, I often find your opinions on football insightful and your willingness to fight conventional AU thought quite refreshing. At least you're not a drone. A troll at times, yes, but never a drone.

I'm not sure at what level you think these poster biases exist. Whether you're willing to accept that the hypocrisy or at least the biases you believe you see are based on expectations or something more sinister, but this is one cynical thread where good comments by honest posters are being lost in its dark under currents.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

P.S.

I've got a call into you, but your people Rickrolled me with muzak. Twice. Uncool, man. Uncool.

The problem is that I don't conform to what you want my train of thought to be. Your noble intentions theory was interesting I must say, but noble intention so nothing good would come out? What about those, you're an idiot posts, or duke isn't an Auburn man he missed a block, or these players quit posts? Are those the noble posts?

Where are the good posts by the honest posters that I haven't addressed? If somebody says sw doesn't hasn't thrown as many pics, then I reply he threw 10 passes and half were screens but I'm wondering about both throwing passes up for grab....is that not valid? Even if you don't agree aren't we discussing football? Or is all of this because I had a counter point and then say....yeah you're right?

So yeah why wouldn't I ask why am I getting all of this when I and at least 70% of this board did the same thing with the other qb? We put in Smith at qb and he make questionable passes I'm doing this all over again.

Last in the other threads that are now arising that questions qb development do you not realize they have to basically be saying the same thing I was saying?

You've been here long enough to know which posters are going to respond with gibberish to every post, that some are Gusbots and that some will question your loyalty to the school every single time you type a sentence. That's nothing new. Why voice surprise?

To bottom line my thoughts: As I see it, you believe, as stated in the title, that "SW and JJ are the same". It is my belief that you started this thread to illustrate that people are perceiving JJ and SW differently, grading JJ and SW differently or supporting JJ and SW differently for reasons other than their respective play on the field.

If that's the case, why do you think so many people on this board are so clearly biased for SW and against JJ?

[cole256 17,084]

I'm all for a good argument or debate but this is just sloppy and all over the place. We need a moderator, not to shutdown the argument, but to guide the argument.

Problem is it does not appear that the original intent of this topic was ever to create an open debate about the situation. Stirring the pot, yes...but that is more likely the intent so it at least succeeded at that. And cause headaches.....as a possible side-effect.

No, problem is you feel I should say sw is the second coming. Since I didn't and I don't share your opinion here you are.

[wdefromtx 3,159]

Not once did I ever think sw is the second coming. You don't even know what my opinion is, and frankly you are more concerned with trying to have the last word and being right more than anything else.

[cole256 17,084]

You're right, you didn't say that. Which is why I didn't say you said it

Yes you became upset because I said white was scared and running to quick. I was pointing out he was running too quick and jj wasn't running fast enough and point to development....But you were so upset that I said that about white that is the only reason you posted.

And lol at the guy who repeatedly asked did you call him saying somebody just wanted the last word

[wdefromtx 3,159]

You're right, you didn't say that. Which is why I didn't say you said it

Yes you became upset because I said white was scared and running to quick. I was pointing out he was running too quick and jj wasn't running fast enough and point to development....But you were so upset that I said that about white that is the only reason you posted.

And lol at the guy who repeatedly asked did you call him saying somebody just wanted the last word

LOL.....I hope you really aren't this argumentative in your professional life. Quite comical.

[AUbritt 611]

You're right, you didn't say that. Which is why I didn't say you said it

Yes you became upset because I said white was scared and running to quick. I was pointing out he was running too quick and jj wasn't running fast enough and point to development....But you were so upset that I said that about white that is the only reason you posted.

And lol at the guy who repeatedly asked did you call him saying somebody just wanted the last word

LOL.....I hope you really aren't this argumentative in your professional life. Quite comical.

I hope it's all smooth sailing, since cole is a nuclear engineer. LOL

[cole256 17,084]

This dude is funny. Gets offended that I say Sean has happy feet, insists me, does the childish did you call bit, piggy back off other people arguments with me, can't come up with anything so does the you want the last word bit, and now you're argumentative.....

When in actuality you came in the thread insulted me, and I've replied back to your posts....If I'm argumentative then what are you? Lol. Grown men turn into children when someone doesn't agree with them. No way on earth you're productive at a job, you still have tantrums LOL

[cole256 17,084]

You're right, you didn't say that. Which is why I didn't say you said it

Yes you became upset because I said white was scared and running to quick. I was pointing out he was running too quick and jj wasn't running fast enough and point to development....But you were so upset that I said that about white that is the only reason you posted.

And lol at the guy who repeatedly asked did you call him saying somebody just wanted the last word

LOL.....I hope you really aren't this argumentative in your professional life. Quite comical.

I hope it's all smooth sailing, since cole is a nuclear engineer. LOL

I hope he continues his charmed life of if you don't agree with me I'll have a fit...lol. What football insight have you seen from him....yet....lol.

[Weegle777 78]

The irony. Oh the irony.

[aubfaninga 16]

The irony. Oh the irony. :laugh:/>

I thought so too

[cole256 17,084]

The irony. Oh the irony. :laugh:/>

Full blown PT now LMAO!

[Weegle777 78]

Just stop dude. You are making an idiot out of yourself.

[cole256 17,084]

Nah you've been doing your political forum stuff. We all laughed though. Lots of effort in this thread though from a guy who could care less about my opinion. Can't say this is something I could see myself doing but to each his own, I won't hate on you.

[wdefromtx 3,159]

For the record you never offended me. And full disclosure....I even stated I jumped in to "push your buttons" to get you riled up. Yet, you only read want you want to read and hear what you want to hear. Childish behavior on my part, that was fully intentioned. This entire thread topic you started was childish from the beginning, it was a troll attempt and you got your usual suspects you were wanting. If you want to troll, be prepared to be trolled back. I have watched many of your discussions here and the political board, some topics we agree and some we don’t. What I noticed is that people would value and respect your opinion more if you would just change your approach and attitude. Regardless, if you think you are argumentative or not…that is the way you come across. I have seen posts where you debated or argued with another poster…when they were saying the exact same thing as you…perhaps in different wording. So at least your personality on this board lends itself to one that appears to be very combative, arrogant and one that cannot take any critiquing, positive or negative without getting offended. You can handle being wrong, but can’t stand if someone else is right. I say this because if you look back at your posts, you respond to almost every reply some does to you and you come across as the one with the tantrum. You were offended by someone earlier on and you had to throw out your profession to prove some point. That makes you look foolish. Do my jabs make me look foolish….yeah, but that was part of the point.

Every reply or post I had to you was with the intent of knowing I would get the exact response from you that I did. The arguing with idiots meme…yeah it was for you. You know it, and I know it was….subconsciously you were offended based on behavior. I do not think you are an idiot, in fact if you are indeed a nuclear engineer you are probably very bright. I am guessing you are in your early 20’s maybe mid 20’s…..young professional. You like to question things and want to know more than how something is but more importantly why something is. I hope that the message board is where you get to vent like this and not in your profession. Because if you come across like you do on here in your profession, it won’t be good. If I am correct in my age assumption to answer a previous comment if I am young (depending on what that definition is), yes I consider myself young, But still probably a good bit older than you. Take what you want from all this, but hopefully you see the actual intent.

WDE

[Weegle777 78]

Nah you've been doing your political forum stuff. We all laughed though. Lots of effort in this thread though from a guy who could care less about my opinion. Can't say this is something I could see myself doing but to each his own, I won't hate on you.

Another ironic post. You are all over the place. But you are young and inexperienced at life. I understand that. Maybe one day you will mature and grow up.

[cole256 17,084]

Nah you've been doing your political forum stuff. We all laughed though. Lots of effort in this thread though from a guy who could care less about my opinion. Can't say this is something I could see myself doing but to each his own, I won't hate on you.

Another ironic post. You are all over the place. But you are young and inexperienced at life. I understand that. Maybe one day you will mature and grow up.

Cool do with that being said how bout this. My opinion is the same. I even explained why, sideline routes, shallow throws then the occasional long ball. Sw hasn't been successful same reason jj hasn't everybody across the board even coaching. They've made similar mistakes but sw haven't had as many throws in the same breath jj hasn't have the a productive run game.

You don't agree, I don't care. So you've posted you don't agree, even made irrelevant posts like sw should be the starter even though I've said it all along. You tried to throw race in it, you've done everything you could think to try to railroad this and get it locked. It didn't work. Just accept that and not post in it anymore. You don't like it, you don't have anything you can really debate besides you feel two more games should be played. Ok. So there's no need for you to post that anymore. So now we're finish ok? You don't have to post back

[Weegle777 78]

Can someone translate that mess? Are you sure that you graduated college?

[netwitt 1]

good grief........msu took the long ball away from us. it was an msu scheme and not so much sean.

Absolutely. msu was playing a deep cover 2 specifically to take the long ball away - nothing Sean could have done. At least SW didn't try to force it down long and get intercepted time after time.

[cole256 17,084]

Can someone translate that mess? Are you sure that you graduated college?

Lol, PT. You were able to pull this stuff on the political board, but you don't have anything as far as football huh? Probably why you were kicked out of that. Keep it up. Insulting me don't change the fact you're being dishonest.

Who really keeps posting and trying to fight something they don't care about? Seriously you don't have one post in this thread about football, just....You can't say that because I believe you have to wait lol

[AURaptor 1,125]

Been watching this discussion for past 2 weekend and I thin Cole has legitimate question. I think our expectationof JJ was so high it was easy to be negative about his play.

It wasn't just OUR expectations. It was the " experts " from those who watch college all across the country. Many were placing JJ on the Heisman watch list, due to this glimpsed work and athletic potential. Problem is, JJ simply isn't a gamer.

IMO SW play has not been much different. Based on where the receiver was on the long pass, SW missed the receiver. He has put the ball on the turf a few times and been fortunate not to lose them.I can only believe the reason we do not throw more is because of what the coaches see in practice.

Sean has been too careless w/ the ball when he runs, but he's not turned it over. Nor has he thrown 6 INTS. He has shown better decision making than Jeremy, I don't think that's much in doubt.

I see very little difference with SW at QB. We looked extremely lethargic Sat and against Moo State we didn't cross the goal line. Season is in the tank. I say live and die with JJ and start looking for a JC QB or transfer for next year if Jj does not improve.

We've already died w/ JJ. Too late for him to get his head back in the game, imo. Sean is the best option for us to move forward. Even if he's less capable in some areas, he's going to try. Something Jeremy seems unwilling to do.

[tgr4lfe 220]

I think Sean is a better decision maker throwing than Jeremy or at least knows how to throw less picks. I also believe Jeremy has a far higher upside than Sean. Malzahn likely put Sean in just because he himself thought Jeremy was the problem and was just desperate for a spark. If he could actually figure out the problem (mainly it being himself and this offensive line), and had the offense resembling anything its supposed to have looked like back when we weren't horrible (spring 2015), Jeremy would probably return.

I genuinely do not believe Cole is the only individual who wants to see Jeremy return, but as of the past two weeks, I feel it was just more safe to go with Sean, get to this bye week, and see what left you have in Jeremy.

Now, whoever we have at QB is irrelevant mind you, if we can't figure out how to block at least on an AVERAGE scale against good defenses and Malzahn can't figure out how to call an entire game.

Man thanks. I don't want to see jj return, my thing is what was the point if we were going to dumb down the offense? Also some have started asking on this board, just not in this thread but I made this thread first but it seems like we may have a problem developing qb's.

Lastly, as I stated in another thread your last post is what I was trying to tell everybody before a qb change. So I do admit frustration of getting flamed and ridicule from people when I talked about the o line and wr and now some of the same people flaming me because I was basically right.

There is definitely no "may have", there is absolutely a problem developing QBs by this staff. There are 3 QBs who have had more than two years under CGM/CRL, NM, JJ, and SW, we don't know about SW's first year as he was a redshirt, and we only saw a little bit of JJ during his first two years, where he looked pretty decent and thus the high accolades and hopes by the AU faithful. NM didn't fare better from year 1 to year 2 and the offensive passing game didn't change at all from year 1 to year 2, b/c NM was just not capable of consistently throwing the intermediate routes in coverages and/or reading the coverages, which is also seems to be a problem with JJ. They haven't really let the cuffs off SW to gauge his ability in that area. Really big concern that they are developing QBs. I like the idea some had of letting DC work with the QBs. I can't imagine that they haven't, but might not be at all..

[Auburnguy101 325]

Been watching this discussion for past 2 weekend and I thin Cole has legitimate question. I think our expectationof JJ was so high it was easy to be negative about his play.

It wasn't just OUR expectations. It was the " experts " from those who watch college all across the country. Many were placing JJ on the Heisman watch list, due to this glimpsed work and athletic potential. Problem is, JJ simply isn't a gamer.

IMO SW play has not been much different. Based on where the receiver was on the long pass, SW missed the receiver. He has put the ball on the turf a few times and been fortunate not to lose them.I can only believe the reason we do not throw more is because of what the coaches see in practice.

Sean has been too careless w/ the ball when he runs, but he's not turned it over. Nor has he thrown 6 INTS. He has shown better decision making than Jeremy, I don't think that's much in doubt.

I see very little difference with SW at QB. We looked extremely lethargic Sat and against Moo State we didn't cross the goal line. Season is in the tank. I say live and die with JJ and start looking for a JC QB or transfer for next year if Jj does not improve.

We've already died w/ JJ. Too late for him to get his head back in the game, imo. Sean is the best option for us to move forward. Even if he's less capable in some areas, he's going to try. Something Jeremy seems unwilling to do.

Already died w/JJ? That's one of the most asinine comment I've heard. I really hope you've never been a coach, or else you would have no players left to play for you, unless they were perfect with everything. I'm not discounting or apologizing about the mistakes JJ made in those 3 games, but damn, he doesn't get to redeem himself? Last time I checked, Jason Campbell, Brandon Cox, Ben Leard, and Stan White, off the top of my head, struggled throughout their careers at first before adjusting to the game. Am I saying JJ will absolutely do that? No. Can he? Yes. He has wayyyy more potential then SW. JJ had a rough three games, can't argue with that, but to just totally give up on him is ridiculous, especially since your anointed one, SW, hasn't shown any glimpses that screams he is the one. Has he made as many mistakes as JJ, no. But he also hasn't done anything to say, yep, he can beat the upper-tier programs we will be facing soon. At least with JJ, IF he corrects his mistakes, he has unlimited potential, which then will help the offense. Seems like you'll be disappointed though, seems like JJ, as of right now, will be starting against Kentucky...

[N2AUtigers 5]

The worst thing about the comparison is definitely that by design SW has not had a true chance to show what he can or can't do. I really wish the coaches would open the play book and let the kid work some. I'm sure mistakes will be made as it happens to the best of them. But to put him in handcuffed, and then try to compare him with someone whom seemed to have plenty chances to throw the ball the first 3 games is unfair at best.

I really can't decide my opinion on the op and it's really hard to read thru all the non football posts. If the op is insinuating that one QB is being treated worse than the other because of anything other than play on field compared to prior experience and expectations, I can't understand that?

[Weegle777 78]

Can someone translate that mess? Are you sure that you graduated college?

Lol, PT. You were able to pull this stuff on the political board, but you don't have anything as far as football huh? Probably why you were kicked out of that. Keep it up. Insulting me don't change the fact you're being dishonest.

Who really keeps posting and trying to fight something they don't care about? Seriously you don't have one post in this thread about football, just....You can't say that because I believe you have to wait lol

This post just proves that you have zero idea of what you're talking about. No one kicked me out of anything. And go back and read again. I have discussed football in this thread. You just look past it. Until Sean has played enough, we don't have much to compare.

[Weegle777 78]

The worst thing about the comparison is definitely that by design SW has not had a true chance to show what he can or can't do. I really wish the coaches would open the play book and let the kid work some. I'm sure mistakes will be made as it happens to the best of them. But to put him in handcuffed, and then try to compare him with someone whom seemed to have plenty chances to throw the ball the first 3 games is unfair at best.

I really can't decide my opinion on the op and it's really hard to read thru all the non football posts. If the op is insinuating that one QB is being treated worse than the other because of anything other than play on field compared to prior experience and expectations, I can't understand that?

Exactly what I have been saying throughout this thread. Well said.