I_M4_AU 7,853 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 JF3 has to be one of the most unheralded recruit on this board since it's inception. How dare we bring on JUCO QB to challenge SW. This situation is nothing like the Jason Smith situation. The guy is coming here and competing for 1 position: QB. For all of the SW fan boys, I'm sorry, but SW is not the answer. And for those saying JF3 will be a WR, look at his comments first of all, he sounds 100% convinced he'll play QB, and either our coaches want him as QB or they are lying through their teeth. Secondly, from what I hear, JF3 will be given every opportunity to win the job, because our coaching staff has no faith in the QBs we have now. TIFWIW. I just had to comment on this, because I can't believe how many people seem taken aback about him committing to us.... JF3's comments after his commitment was all about perception, his perception. I did not read anywhere that the coaches recruited him other than an ATH. He seems to be very confident in his QB abilities and I am sure he will be given every opportunity to compete for the QB position, otherwise the competition would be a shame. I can't speak for anybody else, but if we are counting on a 2nd string QB from a CC to be our savior, we are in deep trouble. I believe we will have a good QB competition in the spring and name a starting QB by the 2nd week of August. TIFWIW. Well, sorry guy, JF3 is being brought here as a QB. I know that for a fact. Thanks for playing though. And by the way, before you question why he was splitting reps at JUCO, there's more to the story, but not going to say it here. Anyways, as I've said the QB for next year is not on campus yet... So, you know for a fact he was brought in to play QB not an ATH. The problem with your "facts" is that your source in the AD office was incorrect the last time when you guaranteed JJ was starting earlier in the season. So why should anybody believe what you sources say about our QB situation for next year? I, for one, will be happy to get this year over and head to next year with the hope that spring brings every year. Your absolute statements are getting old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubearcat 2,137 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 WE6? Absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Potatooooooes!! 1,375 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 So those that think a red-shirt freshman should be given the benefit of the doubt are just naive and just don't know. Glad there are posters like you to set us all straight, thanks. I guess what bothers me is that I'm as passionate as an Auburn fan there is, especially since I have friends who have/had worked in the AD. And it seems like, from what I have witnessed, Auburn fans in general appear to give some players a pass while ridiculing others for the same production. SW is the perfect example. I am not doubting SW is a good guy, but he's on the wrong team to succeed. Are you telling me you actually see us winning CHAMPIONSHIPS with him? The kid can barely make it through 5 games this year. He won't hold up an entire season. And this notion that he's deadly accurate is completely false. He has a 56% completion rate, not exactly accurate. Oh, but guess who has a better completion rate that played the last two years? Nick Marshall, the same guy who people here say did not pass well. So, if Nick Marshall had a higher percentage in his first year here, and was considered a bad passer, what does that make SW? As I said, double standard. And yes, I remember about the drops for SW, happens to every QB and happened to NM, it's part of the game. I ask honestly, why are you guys so determined and hoping that he succeeds, and no one else? I've read so many posts on here that if anyone ever says anything about SW's play that is negative, we're idiots or don't know anything about football. I would love to think that SW is an SEC QB, but reality is, as someone has already said, he's Barrett Trotter 2.0. Yes, I know he's a RsF, but that doesn't stop from someone being able to get an educated analysis on how he plays. And I posted the comment on here because I find it amazing that no one really gave JF3 any shoutout or a war eagle for committing because most people on here are so scared that he might actually beat out SW. You said I should give SW the benefit of the doubt, but why don't you and others give JF3 the benefit of the doubt as well? I guess I just don't understand this infatuation with SW.... It's like people didn't even watch Barret Trotter play...No offense, but comparing him to Sean White is laughable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaytonAU 4,606 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 So those that think a red-shirt freshman should be given the benefit of the doubt are just naive and just don't know. Glad there are posters like you to set us all straight, thanks. I guess what bothers me is that I'm as passionate as an Auburn fan there is, especially since I have friends who have/had worked in the AD. And it seems like, from what I have witnessed, Auburn fans in general appear to give some players a pass while ridiculing others for the same production. SW is the perfect example. I am not doubting SW is a good guy, but he's on the wrong team to succeed. Are you telling me you actually see us winning CHAMPIONSHIPS with him? The kid can barely make it through 5 games this year. He won't hold up an entire season. And this notion that he's deadly accurate is completely false. He has a 56% completion rate, not exactly accurate. Oh, but guess who has a better completion rate that played the last two years? Nick Marshall, the same guy who people here say did not pass well. So, if Nick Marshall had a higher percentage in his first year here, and was considered a bad passer, what does that make SW? As I said, double standard. And yes, I remember about the drops for SW, happens to every QB and happened to NM, it's part of the game. I ask honestly, why are you guys so determined and hoping that he succeeds, and no one else? I've read so many posts on here that if anyone ever says anything about SW's play that is negative, we're idiots or don't know anything about football. I would love to think that SW is an SEC QB, but reality is, as someone has already said, he's Barrett Trotter 2.0. Yes, I know he's a RsF, but that doesn't stop from someone being able to get an educated analysis on how he plays. And I posted the comment on here because I find it amazing that no one really gave JF3 any shoutout or a war eagle for committing because most people on here are so scared that he might actually beat out SW. You said I should give SW the benefit of the doubt, but why don't you and others give JF3 the benefit of the doubt as well? I guess I just don't understand this infatuation with SW.... It's like people didn't even watch Barret Trotter play...No offense, but comparing him to Sean White is laughable If you haven't already read from the other 400 posts from him, he has a friend in the AD which means everything he says is credible and should be taken seriously. Even if it's an ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUbritt 611 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 So those that think a red-shirt freshman should be given the benefit of the doubt are just naive and just don't know. Glad there are posters like you to set us all straight, thanks. I guess what bothers me is that I'm as passionate as an Auburn fan there is, especially since I have friends who have/had worked in the AD. And it seems like, from what I have witnessed, Auburn fans in general appear to give some players a pass while ridiculing others for the same production. SW is the perfect example. I am not doubting SW is a good guy, but he's on the wrong team to succeed. Are you telling me you actually see us winning CHAMPIONSHIPS with him? The kid can barely make it through 5 games this year. He won't hold up an entire season. And this notion that he's deadly accurate is completely false. He has a 56% completion rate, not exactly accurate. Oh, but guess who has a better completion rate that played the last two years? Nick Marshall, the same guy who people here say did not pass well. So, if Nick Marshall had a higher percentage in his first year here, and was considered a bad passer, what does that make SW? As I said, double standard. And yes, I remember about the drops for SW, happens to every QB and happened to NM, it's part of the game. I ask honestly, why are you guys so determined and hoping that he succeeds, and no one else? I've read so many posts on here that if anyone ever says anything about SW's play that is negative, we're idiots or don't know anything about football. I would love to think that SW is an SEC QB, but reality is, as someone has already said, he's Barrett Trotter 2.0. Yes, I know he's a RsF, but that doesn't stop from someone being able to get an educated analysis on how he plays. And I posted the comment on here because I find it amazing that no one really gave JF3 any shoutout or a war eagle for committing because most people on here are so scared that he might actually beat out SW. You said I should give SW the benefit of the doubt, but why don't you and others give JF3 the benefit of the doubt as well? I guess I just don't understand this infatuation with SW.... It's like people didn't even watch Barret Trotter play...No offense, but comparing him to Sean White is laughable If you haven't already read from the other 400 posts from him, he has a friend in the AD which means everything he says is credible and should be taken seriously. Even if it's an ignorant. No, it's " I have friends who have/had worked in the AD." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaytonAU 4,606 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 So those that think a red-shirt freshman should be given the benefit of the doubt are just naive and just don't know. Glad there are posters like you to set us all straight, thanks. I guess what bothers me is that I'm as passionate as an Auburn fan there is, especially since I have friends who have/had worked in the AD. And it seems like, from what I have witnessed, Auburn fans in general appear to give some players a pass while ridiculing others for the same production. SW is the perfect example. I am not doubting SW is a good guy, but he's on the wrong team to succeed. Are you telling me you actually see us winning CHAMPIONSHIPS with him? The kid can barely make it through 5 games this year. He won't hold up an entire season. And this notion that he's deadly accurate is completely false. He has a 56% completion rate, not exactly accurate. Oh, but guess who has a better completion rate that played the last two years? Nick Marshall, the same guy who people here say did not pass well. So, if Nick Marshall had a higher percentage in his first year here, and was considered a bad passer, what does that make SW? As I said, double standard. And yes, I remember about the drops for SW, happens to every QB and happened to NM, it's part of the game. I ask honestly, why are you guys so determined and hoping that he succeeds, and no one else? I've read so many posts on here that if anyone ever says anything about SW's play that is negative, we're idiots or don't know anything about football. I would love to think that SW is an SEC QB, but reality is, as someone has already said, he's Barrett Trotter 2.0. Yes, I know he's a RsF, but that doesn't stop from someone being able to get an educated analysis on how he plays. And I posted the comment on here because I find it amazing that no one really gave JF3 any shoutout or a war eagle for committing because most people on here are so scared that he might actually beat out SW. You said I should give SW the benefit of the doubt, but why don't you and others give JF3 the benefit of the doubt as well? I guess I just don't understand this infatuation with SW.... It's like people didn't even watch Barret Trotter play...No offense, but comparing him to Sean White is laughable If you haven't already read from the other 400 posts from him, he has a friend in the AD which means everything he says is credible and should be taken seriously. Even if it's an ignorant. No, it's " I have friends who have/had worked in the AD." Even better Britt... Even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUbritt 611 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 So those that think a red-shirt freshman should be given the benefit of the doubt are just naive and just don't know. Glad there are posters like you to set us all straight, thanks. I guess what bothers me is that I'm as passionate as an Auburn fan there is, especially since I have friends who have/had worked in the AD. And it seems like, from what I have witnessed, Auburn fans in general appear to give some players a pass while ridiculing others for the same production. SW is the perfect example. I am not doubting SW is a good guy, but he's on the wrong team to succeed. Are you telling me you actually see us winning CHAMPIONSHIPS with him? The kid can barely make it through 5 games this year. He won't hold up an entire season. And this notion that he's deadly accurate is completely false. He has a 56% completion rate, not exactly accurate. Oh, but guess who has a better completion rate that played the last two years? Nick Marshall, the same guy who people here say did not pass well. So, if Nick Marshall had a higher percentage in his first year here, and was considered a bad passer, what does that make SW? As I said, double standard. And yes, I remember about the drops for SW, happens to every QB and happened to NM, it's part of the game. I ask honestly, why are you guys so determined and hoping that he succeeds, and no one else? I've read so many posts on here that if anyone ever says anything about SW's play that is negative, we're idiots or don't know anything about football. I would love to think that SW is an SEC QB, but reality is, as someone has already said, he's Barrett Trotter 2.0. Yes, I know he's a RsF, but that doesn't stop from someone being able to get an educated analysis on how he plays. And I posted the comment on here because I find it amazing that no one really gave JF3 any shoutout or a war eagle for committing because most people on here are so scared that he might actually beat out SW. You said I should give SW the benefit of the doubt, but why don't you and others give JF3 the benefit of the doubt as well? I guess I just don't understand this infatuation with SW.... It's like people didn't even watch Barret Trotter play...No offense, but comparing him to Sean White is laughable If you haven't already read from the other 400 posts from him, he has a friend in the AD which means everything he says is credible and should be taken seriously. Even if it's an ignorant. No, it's " I have friends who have/had worked in the AD." Even better Britt... Even better. Guy's looking for internet cred. If he came in right, he might get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potatooooooes!! 1,375 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 So those that think a red-shirt freshman should be given the benefit of the doubt are just naive and just don't know. Glad there are posters like you to set us all straight, thanks. I guess what bothers me is that I'm as passionate as an Auburn fan there is, especially since I have friends who have/had worked in the AD. And it seems like, from what I have witnessed, Auburn fans in general appear to give some players a pass while ridiculing others for the same production. SW is the perfect example. I am not doubting SW is a good guy, but he's on the wrong team to succeed. Are you telling me you actually see us winning CHAMPIONSHIPS with him? The kid can barely make it through 5 games this year. He won't hold up an entire season. And this notion that he's deadly accurate is completely false. He has a 56% completion rate, not exactly accurate. Oh, but guess who has a better completion rate that played the last two years? Nick Marshall, the same guy who people here say did not pass well. So, if Nick Marshall had a higher percentage in his first year here, and was considered a bad passer, what does that make SW? As I said, double standard. And yes, I remember about the drops for SW, happens to every QB and happened to NM, it's part of the game. I ask honestly, why are you guys so determined and hoping that he succeeds, and no one else? I've read so many posts on here that if anyone ever says anything about SW's play that is negative, we're idiots or don't know anything about football. I would love to think that SW is an SEC QB, but reality is, as someone has already said, he's Barrett Trotter 2.0. Yes, I know he's a RsF, but that doesn't stop from someone being able to get an educated analysis on how he plays. And I posted the comment on here because I find it amazing that no one really gave JF3 any shoutout or a war eagle for committing because most people on here are so scared that he might actually beat out SW. You said I should give SW the benefit of the doubt, but why don't you and others give JF3 the benefit of the doubt as well? I guess I just don't understand this infatuation with SW.... It's like people didn't even watch Barret Trotter play...No offense, but comparing him to Sean White is laughable If you haven't already read from the other 400 posts from him, he has a friend in the AD which means everything he says is credible and should be taken seriously. Even if it's an ignorant. No, it's " I have friends who have/had worked in the AD." Even better Britt... Even better. Guy's looking for internet cred. If he came in right, he might get it. Delivery is everything. Some get it, some don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 16,614 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 JF3 has to be one of the most unheralded recruit on this board since it's inception. How dare we bring on JUCO QB to challenge SW. This situation is nothing like the Jason Smith situation. The guy is coming here and competing for 1 position: QB. For all of the SW fan boys, I'm sorry, but SW is not the answer. And for those saying JF3 will be a WR, look at his comments first of all, he sounds 100% convinced he'll play QB, and either our coaches want him as QB or they are lying through their teeth. Secondly, from what I hear, JF3 will be given every opportunity to win the job, because our coaching staff has no faith in the QBs we have now. TIFWIW. I just had to comment on this, because I can't believe how many people seem taken aback about him committing to us.... JF3's comments after his commitment was all about perception, his perception. I did not read anywhere that the coaches recruited him other than an ATH. He seems to be very confident in his QB abilities and I am sure he will be given every opportunity to compete for the QB position, otherwise the competition would be a shame. I can't speak for anybody else, but if we are counting on a 2nd string QB from a CC to be our savior, we are in deep trouble. I believe we will have a good QB competition in the spring and name a starting QB by the 2nd week of August. TIFWIW. Well, sorry guy, JF3 is being brought here as a QB. I know that for a fact. Thanks for playing though. And by the way, before you question why he was splitting reps at JUCO, there's more to the story, but not going to say it here. Anyways, as I've said the QB for next year is not on campus yet... So, you know secrets but you aren't telling! We used to play that game on the playground during second grade recess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cole256 17,084 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 He said what he was told....how is that perception? He either is telling the truth or lying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgarrett7 957 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Ftr. I don't think Trotter is even close to White overall. Just think White has similar maybe even better running ability to Trotter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cole256 17,084 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 You guys are kidding yourselves as far as trying to make white have any running ability. He's not Peyton manning in there but Peyton is 150. Yes white may be able get a first down if the rush breaks down....that's it. He shouldn't be featured as any kind of runner, it's not a strength. If you want to say a dual threat isn't required to be successful then say that, heck I even agree but stop trying to make this guy superman and give him abilities he doesn't have....he starts running we're right back to most of you complaining why did Gus let him play and he was hurt.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aucanucktiger 1,794 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 14 pages on a 3 star JUCO feels like August. Guess we need to start playing some football (irony intended). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 16,614 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 You guys are kidding yourselves as far as trying to make white have any running ability. He's not Peyton manning in there but Peyton is 150. Yes white may be able get a first down if the rush breaks down....that's it. He shouldn't be featured as any kind of runner, it's not a strength. If you want to say a dual threat isn't required to be successful then say that, heck I even agree but stop trying to make this guy superman and give him abilities he doesn't have....he starts running we're right back to most of you complaining why did Gus let him play and he was hurt.... Hey! Red letter day, Cole and I agree on something. All White needs to do is pick up the occasional 1st down when things get scrambled. He is not and should not try to be a DT quarterback. We can win and win big with a good traditional dropback QB. White may well be "The man" but it won't be because he's doing a bunch of running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cole256 17,084 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 You do notice you say you agree with me quite often.....it's ok to disagree as well. You've just been on a hot streak lately with good stuff so you've been agreeing with me lately. Welcome to winners circle and embrace the feeling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUApostle 7,651 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 One thing is obvious, if Malzahn goes into next season with a similar QB situation...he's toast. This is the 2nd time that he's allowed this to happen in his 3rd year here. He's got to know that he needs to bring in a dynamic pass/run threat that can start and provide some stability to the position...then he's got to think long and hard about how he develops Woody, Queen, and White....because whatever happened with Johnson and Frazier can't happen again if we're going to be a consistently elite team...he needs quality backups, otherwise this program will continue to live and die based on whether we have a playmaker at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgarrett7 957 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 You guys are kidding yourselves as far as trying to make white have any running ability. He's not Peyton manning in there but Peyton is 150. Yes white may be able get a first down if the rush breaks down....that's it. He shouldn't be featured as any kind of runner, it's not a strength. If you want to say a dual threat isn't required to be successful then say that, heck I even agree but stop trying to make this guy superman and give him abilities he doesn't have....he starts running we're right back to most of you complaining why did Gus let him play and he was hurt.... I agree with you. I'm not saying he is a great runner by any stretch. Pretty much just what you said, he is capable of taking off occasionally to move the sticks and keep a defense honest. You and I are on the same page I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 You do notice you say you agree with me quite often.....it's ok to disagree as well. You've just been on a hot streak lately with good stuff so you've been agreeing with me lately. Welcome to winners circle and embrace the feeling! LOL. Good stuff, Cole and Mikey. I've often referred to White as "mobile", but I've never referred to him as a dual threat guy. He's never going to be mistaken for a runner, but he is absolutely mobile enough to avoid pressure and extend plays when he's healthy. That's where the Brees and Murray comparisons come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augolf1716 21,202 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 He said what he was told....how is that perception? He either is telling the truth or lying 50/50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimEagleWar 0 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 This guy will be our starting QB next year hands down because Gus is showing that he can not operate his offense without a mobile QB.. WAR EAGLE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SumterAubie 3,031 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 This guy will be our starting QB next year hands down because Gus is showing that he can not operate his offense without a mobile QB.. WAR EAGLE!! Chris Todd From wikipedia In mid-September, he threw four touchdown passes to lead Auburn to a 41-30 victory over West Virginia.[16][17][18][19] The following week against Ball State, Todd threw for 284 yards and five touchdowns, with the five touchdowns tying the Auburn single game record for most passing touchdowns in one game.[20] Todd also set the single-season record at Auburn with 22 touchdown passes and finished the season with 2,612 passing yards and a passer rating of 145.73, ranking him 18th in the nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUApostle 7,651 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 This guy will be our starting QB next year hands down because Gus is showing that he can not operate his offense without a mobile QB.. WAR EAGLE!! Chris Todd From wikipedia In mid-September, he threw four touchdown passes to lead Auburn to a 41-30 victory over West Virginia.[16][17][18][19] The following week against Ball State, Todd threw for 284 yards and five touchdowns, with the five touchdowns tying the Auburn single game record for most passing touchdowns in one game.[20] Todd also set the single-season record at Auburn with 22 touchdown passes and finished the season with 2,612 passing yards and a passer rating of 145.73, ranking him 18th in the nation. Have we ever had 10 or more wins with a non-mobile QB? You'd have to go all the way back to Cox in 2006. We have however, played for 2 national championships with mobile QBs. They were also JUCO QBs and they were both Juniors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 The "must have DT" crowd remind me of a Mitch Hedberg joke: "The depressing thing about tennis is that no matter how good I get, I'll never be as good as a wall." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SumterAubie 3,031 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 This guy will be our starting QB next year hands down because Gus is showing that he can not operate his offense without a mobile QB.. WAR EAGLE!! Chris Todd From wikipedia In mid-September, he threw four touchdown passes to lead Auburn to a 41-30 victory over West Virginia.[16][17][18][19] The following week against Ball State, Todd threw for 284 yards and five touchdowns, with the five touchdowns tying the Auburn single game record for most passing touchdowns in one game.[20] Todd also set the single-season record at Auburn with 22 touchdown passes and finished the season with 2,612 passing yards and a passer rating of 145.73, ranking him 18th in the nation. Have we ever had 10 or more wins with a non-mobile QB? You'd have to go all the way back to Cox in 2006. We have however, played for 2 national championships with mobile QBs. They were also JUCO QBs and they were both Juniors. The poster stated Malzahn 'cannot operate his offense without a mobile qb'. Todd's passing numbers show this is not the case. There is far more to playing for national championships than merely having a mobile qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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