Cruz: I'm a Christian first, American Second

[homersapien 11,388]

It's one thing to say you live your life guided by your Christian faith, but for a presidential candidate to specifically subordinate America's interest to those of his God is disturbing, considering the political activism of the religious right.

[Grumps 3,704]

It's one thing to say you live your life guided by your Christian faith, but for a presidential candidate to specifically subordinate America's interest to those of his God is disturbing, considering the political activism of the religious right.

If that is what Cruz had said then I would agree with you.

[homersapien 11,388]

It's one thing to say you live your life guided by your Christian faith, but for a presidential candidate to specifically subordinate America's interest to those of his God is disturbing, considering the political activism of the religious right.

If that is what Cruz had said then I would agree with you.

That's certainly what he implied with ranking them.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

It's one thing to say you live your life guided by your Christian faith, but for a presidential candidate to specifically subordinate America's interest to those of his God is disturbing, considering the political activism of the religious right.

If that is what Cruz had said then I would agree with you.

I assume you don't believe it. Of course that's NOT what he said.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

It's one thing to say you live your life guided by your Christian faith, but for a presidential candidate to specifically subordinate America's interest to those of his God is disturbing, considering the political activism of the religious right.

If that is what Cruz had said then I would agree with you.

That's certainly what he implied with ranking them.

Implied? That's weak even for you.

[AUUSN 823]

It's one thing to say you live your life guided by your Christian faith, but for a presidential candidate to specifically subordinate America's interest to those of his God is disturbing, considering the political activism of the religious right.

If that is what Cruz had said then I would agree with you.

That's certainly what he implied with ranking them.

Implied? That's weak even for you.

New Years resolution....busted.

[AUFAN78 3,911]

I don't particularly like Cruz for various reasons. But that said, I am also a Christian first and an American second. In fact, that is how it should be for any serious Christian. Put another way, you sometimes here people say that the order of importance of things in their life are God first, family second, country third. This is not a startling revelation or anything new to the American political scene.

I find it stunning disappointing some here deem it a startling revelation. Seriously, one could understand the oversight from children for obvious reasons, but adults?

They say women are from Venus and men from Mars. Could it be we have a handful from Pluto?

[TexasTiger 12,952]

To my original first point, do you think a Muslim could get away with saying that? I mean we already ask them to jump through hoops as it is just to show they are innocent.

Probably not. Probably couldn't get away with saying that "The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God" as John F. Kennedy did either. Then again, Muslims are dealing with a violent segment of their people that doesn't have a real parallel with other religions. I'm not saying it's right, just saying why it is.

Also, isn't his dad a dominionist?

No idea.

Even if it is commonplace for Christians to believe God first, county second, I think it is really stupid that he said that while running for president.

How is Cruz any different than former Pres. Jimmy Carter in being open about his beliefs and priorities?

I think it's fine to be open about ones faith. Some candidates seem to say things for political reasons. Carter has walked the talk before, during and after his Presidency.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

To my original first point, do you think a Muslim could get away with saying that? I mean we already ask them to jump through hoops as it is just to show they are innocent.

Probably not. Probably couldn't get away with saying that "The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God" as John F. Kennedy did either. Then again, Muslims are dealing with a violent segment of their people that doesn't have a real parallel with other religions. I'm not saying it's right, just saying why it is.

Also, isn't his dad a dominionist?

No idea.

Even if it is commonplace for Christians to believe God first, county second, I think it is really stupid that he said that while running for president.

How is Cruz any different than former Pres. Jimmy Carter in being open about his beliefs and priorities?

I think it's fine to be open about ones faith. Some candidates seem to say things for political reasons. Carter has walked the talk before, during and after his Presidency.

Hasn't Cruz been open about his faith all along the way. He talked about it during his Senate campaign and apparently walks the talk in his private life.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

It's one thing to say you live your life guided by your Christian faith, but for a presidential candidate to specifically subordinate America's interest to those of his God is disturbing, considering the political activism of the religious right.

If that is what Cruz had said then I would agree with you.

That's certainly what he implied with ranking them.

Implied? That's weak even for you.

New Years resolution....busted.

Not at all. Just your dream. Actually a compliment for homie. I hope you get paid at least minimum wage for your job with the resolution police.

[TexasTiger 12,952]

To my original first point, do you think a Muslim could get away with saying that? I mean we already ask them to jump through hoops as it is just to show they are innocent.

Probably not. Probably couldn't get away with saying that "The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God" as John F. Kennedy did either. Then again, Muslims are dealing with a violent segment of their people that doesn't have a real parallel with other religions. I'm not saying it's right, just saying why it is.

Also, isn't his dad a dominionist?

No idea.

Even if it is commonplace for Christians to believe God first, county second, I think it is really stupid that he said that while running for president.

How is Cruz any different than former Pres. Jimmy Carter in being open about his beliefs and priorities?

I think it's fine to be open about ones faith. Some candidates seem to say things for political reasons. Carter has walked the talk before, during and after his Presidency.

Hasn't Cruz been open about his faith all along the way. He talked about it during his Senate campaign and apparently walks the talk in his private life.

If he walked the walk do you think he might have at least one person in the Senate who at least liked him?

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

To my original first point, do you think a Muslim could get away with saying that? I mean we already ask them to jump through hoops as it is just to show they are innocent.

Probably not. Probably couldn't get away with saying that "The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God" as John F. Kennedy did either. Then again, Muslims are dealing with a violent segment of their people that doesn't have a real parallel with other religions. I'm not saying it's right, just saying why it is.

Also, isn't his dad a dominionist?

No idea.

Even if it is commonplace for Christians to believe God first, county second, I think it is really stupid that he said that while running for president.

How is Cruz any different than former Pres. Jimmy Carter in being open about his beliefs and priorities?

I think it's fine to be open about ones faith. Some candidates seem to say things for political reasons. Carter has walked the talk before, during and after his Presidency.

Hasn't Cruz been open about his faith all along the way. He talked about it during his Senate campaign and apparently walks the talk in his private life.

If he walked the walk do you think he might have at least one person in the Senate who at least liked him?

It isn't that he hasn't walked the talk with his faith. He stood up to the good ole boys and they don't like it.

[homersapien 11,388]

It's one thing to say you live your life guided by your Christian faith, but for a presidential candidate to specifically subordinate America's interest to those of his God is disturbing, considering the political activism of the religious right.

If that is what Cruz had said then I would agree with you.

That's certainly what he implied with ranking them.

Implied? That's weak even for you.

Yes, implied.

I am not saying he forthrightly said something which would unequivocally identify him as the secret dominionist I suspect him to be, he is much too clever for that. This was more of a "dog whistle" statement.

Arf, arf! :-\

[aujeff11 6,243]

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/2/1478763/-Largest-online-Christian-organization-condemns-Ted-Cruz-for-claiming-Christians-won-him-Iowa-Caucus

Largest online Christian organization condemns Cruz...good for them.

[DKW 86 7,428]

It's one thing to say you live your life guided by your Christian faith, but for a presidential candidate to specifically subordinate America's interest to those of his God is disturbing, considering the political activism of the religious right.

When did he say that? He was specifically talking about HIS personal life, nothing else.

I know this is going to sound crazy, but in my life, like Titan's, it is God, Family, Country, Auburn. Sorry, it just is in that order and that makes sense to me.

[DKW 86 7,428]

I don't particularly like Cruz for various reasons. But that said, I am also a Christian first and an American second. In fact, that is how it should be for any serious Christian. Put another way, you sometimes here people say that the order of importance of things in their life are God first, family second, country third. This is not a startling revelation or anything new to the American political scene.

I find it stunning disappointing some here deem it a startling revelation. Seriously, one could understand the oversight from children for obvious reasons, but adults?

They say women are from Venus and men from Mars. Could it be we have a handful from Pluto?

[DKW 86 7,428]

It's one thing to say you live your life guided by your Christian faith, but for a presidential candidate to specifically subordinate America's interest to those of his God is disturbing, considering the political activism of the religious right.

If that is what Cruz had said then I would agree with you.

That's certainly what he implied with ranking them.

Implied? That's weak even for you.

Yes, implied.

I am not saying he forthrightly said something which would unequivocally identify him as the secret dominionist I suspect him to be, he is much too clever for that. This was more of a "dog whistle" statement.

Arf, arf! :-\

You can always tell when some people are trying to invent a fight where none exists. They usually talk about "dog whistles" that only they seem to be able to hear.

[homersapien 11,388]

Riiiiight.. :-\

Actually, it wasn't even much of a dog whistle.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/02/02/3745437/ted-cruz-evangelical-strategy/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ted-cruz-chases-the-evangelical-vote-in-iowa/

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/magazine/ted-cruzs-evangelical-gamble.html

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/31/cruz-makes-last-push-for-evangelicals/

http://qz.com/607640/donald-trump-loses-iowa-to-ted-cruz-and-his-evangelical-prayer-team/

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

It's one thing to say you live your life guided by your Christian faith, but for a presidential candidate to specifically subordinate America's interest to those of his God is disturbing, considering the political activism of the religious right.

If that is what Cruz had said then I would agree with you.

That's certainly what he implied with ranking them.

Implied? That's weak even for you.

Yes, implied.

I am not saying he forthrightly said something which would unequivocally identify him as the secret dominionist I suspect him to be, he is much too clever for that. This was more of a "dog whistle" statement.

Arf, arf! :-\

You can always tell when some people are trying to invent a fight where none exists. They usually talk about "dog whistles" that only they seem to be able to hear.

LMAO. I'm actually glad they are. They are great entertainment.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

Riiiiight.. :-\

Actually, it wasn't even much of a dog whistle.

http://thinkprogress...lical-strategy/

http://www.cbsnews.c...l-vote-in-iowa/

http://www.nytimes.c...cal-gamble.html

http://www.breitbart...r-evangelicals/

http://qz.com/607640...al-prayer-team/

Wait, what "dog whistle" are you talking about here? I thought it was a "dominionist" dog whistle, but you seem to be equating "evangelical" and "dominionist", which couldn't be further from the truth.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

http://m.dailykos.co...him-Iowa-Caucus

Largest online Christian organization condemns Cruz...good for them.

Who besides them says they are the largest online Christian organization. They and Mike Sherrard sure don't speak for me.

[aujeff11 6,243]

The man exploits a religion for his own personal gain, that devil is smart I tell ya!!!

[homersapien 11,388]

Riiiiight.. :-\

Actually, it wasn't even much of a dog whistle.

http://thinkprogress...lical-strategy/

http://www.cbsnews.c...l-vote-in-iowa/

http://www.nytimes.c...cal-gamble.html

http://www.breitbart...r-evangelicals/

http://qz.com/607640...al-prayer-team/

Wait, what "dog whistle" are you talking about here? I thought it was a "dominionist" dog whistle, but you seem to be equating "evangelical" and "dominionist", which couldn't be further from the truth.

Dominionists are a subset of evangelicals.

Cruz's connection with dominionism:

https://www.quora.co...z-a-dominionist

http://www.dailykos....onism-and-Jesus

https://jonathanturl...nism-and-jesus/

http://www.politicus...st-messiah.html

http://www.alternet....d-time-transfer

http://www.religionn...ica-commentary/

[aujeff11 6,243]

Riiiiight.. :-\/>

Actually, it wasn't even much of a dog whistle.

http://thinkprogress...lical-strategy/

http://www.cbsnews.c...l-vote-in-iowa/

http://www.nytimes.c...cal-gamble.html

http://www.breitbart...r-evangelicals/

http://qz.com/607640...al-prayer-team/

Wait, what "dog whistle" are you talking about here? I thought it was a "dominionist" dog whistle, but you seem to be equating "evangelical" and "dominionist", which couldn't be further from the truth.

Dominionists are a subset of evangelicals.

Cruz's connection with dominionism:

https://www.quora.co...z-a-dominionist

http://www.dailykos....onism-and-Jesus

https://jonathanturl...nism-and-jesus/

http://www.politicus...st-messiah.html

http://www.alternet....d-time-transfer

http://www.religionn...ica-commentary/

Yeah. Cruz as President is scary stuff. However, I think he is more of a fraud than a dominionist.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

Riiiiight.. :-\/>

Actually, it wasn't even much of a dog whistle.

http://thinkprogress...lical-strategy/

http://www.cbsnews.c...l-vote-in-iowa/

http://www.nytimes.c...cal-gamble.html

http://www.breitbart...r-evangelicals/

http://qz.com/607640...al-prayer-team/

Wait, what "dog whistle" are you talking about here? I thought it was a "dominionist" dog whistle, but you seem to be equating "evangelical" and "dominionist", which couldn't be further from the truth.

Dominionists are a subset of evangelicals.

Cruz's connection with dominionism:

https://www.quora.co...z-a-dominionist

http://www.dailykos....onism-and-Jesus

https://jonathanturl...nism-and-jesus/

http://www.politicus...st-messiah.html

http://www.alternet....d-time-transfer

http://www.religionn...ica-commentary/

That still doesn't qualify as a "dog whistle" to dominionists. It's a stretch at best. It's more like a blaring siren to evangelicals to come to the Cruz camp. Using terms like "dog whistle" are just trying to make something sound more sinister and sneaky than it is.

And I'm not defending him because I particularly like Cruz. I don't really like many of his policy ideas and how they intersect with Christian teaching. I can't imagine hearing Jesus say he'd "carpet bomb" someplace indiscriminately, for instance.