Josh Moon has some Malzahn info

[Zeek 16,658]

5 minutes ago, atl-tiger said:

I just really hope theres some truth behind these rumors.  If not, next year is going to be miserable having a coach only here for the money that knows majority of the fan base wants him gone and boosters are going behind his back to hire someone else.  Recruiting is already looking bad this year and I don't see anybody on that defense that has a shot at the draft sticking around. Will have 0 QB experience next year too, yikes.  

My understanding is Leath doesn't want to budge and is fighting for his one job in a sense

No mumbling about where Greene really stands on all of this

Gus truly believes he's one or two tweaks from righting the ship

PTB and big money people adamantly want Gus gone and they have someone they believe will be a huge catch

 

As for the qb situation I think we miss out on Kelly Bryant, and I don't blame him with the uncertainty and OL, and we try for the Khalil Tate lottery. If we miss both then it'll be an interesting battle between Willis (who has remained positive on social media about next year), Cord (who we've heard literally nothing about since A-Day), Gatewood (who is in the dog house for some vague reasons), and Bo Nix (who might not quite fit the running threat that many believe Gus desperately needs).

[johnnyAU 3,635]

Ugh

[api1957 1,783]

14 hours ago, Brad_ATX said:

Is this a serious post?

Only one of these guys is worth "Jimbo money".  Petrino was just fired from Louisville.  What the hell would we want with him?

No, not really.

[TitanTiger 20,506]

1 hour ago, shabby said:

so stoops has stated that there has been no contact. does this end this rumour? whose next 9n the rumour mill?

This was discussed earlier.  Stoops said he hasn't talked with anyone at Auburn, which is most likely true.  Schools don't typically talk directly with a prospective head coach.  Generally representatives for the school talk to representatives for the coach in question to gauge interest, feel out what it might take to get them, etc.  Gives both sides plausible deniability and a way to save face if talks fall through - because it "never happened."

[DAG 34,002]

6 minutes ago, Zeek said:

Jay G Tate

https://auburn.rivals.com/news/adob-my-view-of-the-truth-part-v

 

Good post. This is why I always thought it was the power brokers idea to get this leaked. It's not about stoops. To me, it is about showing that we can go after anybody and won’t be pigeonholed, putting a lot of pressure on Greene and Leath. That crazy ass buyout has really put us in a bind. It's nothing the extension that drives me crazy...only the buyout. 

[Harp_AU2013 221]

He was out recruiting yesterday after his meeting with Greene on Sunday so something isn’t adding up. My bet is Coach Gus has a bus for another year

[Zeek 16,658]

Gus and Leath

vs.

Big Donors and other Admin

FIGHT!

 

In all seriousness Auburn might be able to kill two birds with one stone considering Leath gave this awful contract out and that he's been the target of one of his own professor's lawsuits. I've never been too sure about Leath to be frank and the contract he gave will cost millions that could have been spent elsewhere.

[aujeff11 6,243]

No more rumors? 

 

I am disappoint

[TitanTiger 20,506]

Just now, Harp_AU2013 said:

He was out recruiting yesterday after his meeting with Greene on Sunday so something isn’t adding up. My bet is Coach Gus has a bus for another year

That doesn't tell us anything one way or the other.  

[shabby 1,958]

2 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

This was discussed earlier.  Stoops said he hasn't talked with anyone at Auburn, which is most likely true.  Schools don't typically talk directly with a prospective head coach.  Generally representatives for the school talk to representatives for the coach in question to gauge interest, feel out what it might take to get them, etc.  Gives both sides plausible deniability and a way to save face if talks fall through - because it "never happened."

thanks for the update. it's a lot to read in this thread. I hope your take is correct

[Zeek 16,658]

1 minute ago, DAG said:

Good post. This is why I always thought it was the power brokers idea to get this leaked. It's not about stoops. To me, it is about showing that we can go after anybody and won’t be pigeonholed, putting a lot of pressure on Greene and Leath. That crazy ass buyout has really put us in a bind. It's nothing the extension that drives me crazy...only the buyout. 

Agreed, Leath pulled a very idiotic and reactionary move. "But he beat Bama and Georgia". I think Leath is on trial as much as anyone here.

Love Greene as our Athletic Director but he seems hesitant to step into this battle. Seems to be observing from the sidelines. Do you side with the big money guys or your boss?

[Zeek 16,658]

2 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

That doesn't tell us anything one way or the other.  

Mac Brown was in Orlando recruiting for Texas when he saw the news report he had been fired. I don't think the PTB are going to let this die without a huge fight.

[TitanTiger 20,506]

Just now, shabby said:

thanks for the update. it's a lot to read in this thread. I hope your take is correct

Thing is, I (and these leaks) could be 100% correct - that he's been reached out to (via representatives), there's interest, etc. and it could still fall through and not happen.  Folks act like because they hear rumors of some big name coach and it doesn't come to pass that the whole thing was just BS from the beginning.  Perhaps sometimes it is, but often the rumors are true but negotiations broke down at some point so they moved on.  Just the way it is. 

[JDUBB4AU 5,121]

What a mess 

it’s unreal that this happens so often and AU is a top ten program in the country. So many things need to change not just Malzahn 

[jbush2404 4]

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 What I have been told comes from sources who have participated in these conversations. The buyout can be covered. But to front that sort of money, those involved want a "top-level" coach locked in place. - Josh Moon

Apparantly the PTB are waiting for a big name coach to be locked in place before they agree to buy out Gus' contract. It's also being reported that Leath is the reason why Gus hasn't already been fired. It's easy to throw money around but it's a lot harder to admit that you made a mistake that could possibly end up costing you your job as well.

[Strychnine 1,802]

4 minutes ago, Harp_AU2013 said:

He was out recruiting yesterday after his meeting with Greene on Sunday so something isn’t adding up. My bet is Coach Gus has a bus for another year

 

Coaches tend to do their job until they are fired or resign.  Tuberville left in the middle of a dinner with recruits and Texas Tech assistant coaches when the deal to go to Cincinnati was done.  He was obviously looking for basically any escape from Lubbock, but he was still working.

[MaxP 137]

Tate's article reads like complete garbage. It's just like the sensational bs written by our enemies during the Cam Newton investigation. Do I believe backers of the program want Gus gone and are exploring options? Sure, we all want him gone. Trying to fire the university president to appoint someone who will fire Malzahn, what is this the Nixon administration? 

[TigerOne 1,150]

This is one thing Gus is right about.

"One interesting side note is that the Stoops quotes linked above were gathered by a reporter named George Schroeder, who is perhaps the only reporter on Earth whom Malzahn at least vaguely trusts.)"

Why should we or anyone trust any of the hacks slobbering about this. If Auburn has ever learned anything it should be that the media is a vile enemy of Auburn University.

[AUB1974 2]

Could Auburn actually fire Gus Malzahn?

Josh Moon
November 27, 2018

http://www.alreporter.com/2018/11/27/analysis-could-auburn-actually-fire-gus-malzahn/

Is Auburn planning to fire Gus Malzahn?

I’ve been getting that question a lot — way more than a political reporter probably should — after I tweeted on Monday that some AU reps met with former Oklahoma head coach Bob Stoops and/or his reps.

It was a slow Monday in the sports world, I guess, because that bit of information — information that was mostly already out there (except for the details on Stoops) — blew up.

So, let’s take a minute and set some things straight.

First and foremost, I stand by everything I said on Monday. There was a meeting between reps for AU and Stoops or his reps. That meeting went well, according to someone very familiar with the conversations that took place that day and in the two-plus weeks since.

Coaches do that a lot. They say things like “I am not going to be the coach at Alabama,” when technically they’ve just stalled the contact. Or they deny contact with a school, when they actually met with a booster not employed by the university. Or they deny meeting with anyone … because they actually sent their agent instead.  

I’m not going to play this game. I have reported what I know from multiple reliable sources. You can make up your own mind.

But there is other information to be considered.

For the past several weeks, numerous outlets that cover AU athletics on a daily basis — including a couple of longtime AU beat writers — have provided detailed reports on a growing movement within the ranks of boosters and top donors to oust Malzahn.

Such a move would be astounding for a couple of reasons, but primarily because the university provided Malzahn with one of the biggest and dumbest contract extensions in recent memory just last year. It tacked on an additional seven years and $49 million, and it came with a YUUUUGE buyout.

If Auburn fires Malzahn this year, under the terms of the contract, it would owe him around $32 million. And that money would have to be paid out in large chunks, with half of it due within 30 days.

That said, about a month ago, as Auburn was in the midst of yet another Malzahn mid-season swoon, I was told by a couple of prominent donors that there was talk of an “escape hatch” in Malzahn’s contract. I dug into it a little more and found that the folks at Tigers Unlimited had alerted university officials to a rather significant problem with the financing of the contract extension: No one had secured the funding from TU.

Apparently, because TU is a private entity, for it to be obligated to cover the majority of Malzahn’s contract — as it currently is — there’s a formal step that has to be taken. I assume this involves a signature and notary stamp, but I’m only guessing.

That formal step was never executed, according to two people who should know. And some at AU wanted to use that loophole to weasel out of the contract extension and/or possibly force Malzahn into a negotiation.

It was never clear to me just how serious anyone at AU took this scheme, but the fact that so many were talking about it told me that the major players had turned on Malzahn. That was mostly not the case a year earlier, when that stupid extension was greenlit.

It was also around that time that some prominent donors and trustees began discussing alternatives to Malzahn as head coach.

There was agreement on one thing: If they were going to consider dropping a chunk of change to send Malzahn packing, it would have to be for a home run, can’t-miss hire.

“We weren’t doing this and hiring some longshot,” said one of the donors who was part of the discussions. “That’s about all we agreed on, but we agreed on that.”

Stoops’ name was at the top of the list. But it was tossed out, the donors said, almost as a sarcastic wish — with no hope of it ever happening. After all, Stoops had retired only a year ago and he has no real ties to Auburn.

Still, a couple of AU donors reached out. They set up a meeting. And to their surprise, it went extremely well. There seemed to be genuine interest from Stoops in returning to coaching, and in the Auburn job specifically, the sources said. Since that time, the two sides have remained in contact and there is a general feeling that the interest remains high on both sides.

Where that leaves things, I’m not sure.

But I do know this: the way this info leaked, some people wanted it out there. Too many people knew what was going on, and too many people were willing to talk about it. I suspect that was partly to gauge fan response, and to ensure that making such a change would be supported by the overall fanbase and by the top donors.

Six weeks ago, there’s no chance it would have been received well. On Monday, after a blowout loss to Alabama and an ugly loss to Georgia, there is much more support. There’s a growing concern among “donors who matter” that AU is falling too far behind UGA and UA, and that it will eventually hurt the team in recruiting. Not to mention, some of the money spent to fire Malzahn — if AU ends up owing him that full buyout, which is unlikely — could be recouped by on-the-field successes.

So, there is suddenly momentum to pull off what was an unthinkable move just a few weeks ago: Eat a $30 million buyout and fire Gus Malzahn.    

[DAG 34,002]

9 minutes ago, Zeek said:

Agreed, Leath pulled a very idiotic and reactionary move. "But he beat Bama and Georgia". I think Leath is on trial as much as anyone here.

Love Greene as our Athletic Director but he seems hesitant to step into this battle. Seems to be observing from the sidelines. Do you side with the big money guys or your boss?

The big money guys are your bosses unfortunately...he has been put in a terrible position..welcome to Southern Football. But he is a ND game. He should know about politics and fan expectations. The bigger issue is Gus isn't his guy. This is why I wish he would've never said anything in regards to Gus situation.

[aubiefifty 16,846]

15 hours ago, TitanTiger said:

 

 

 

 

 

i think if we lose out on another coach do you think this will send a more serious message to gus about how bad things have gotten and maybe end up a better coach for it?

[doverstutts 1,643]

10 hours ago, AUsince72 said:

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[KolchakAU85 430]

18 minutes ago, Harp_AU2013 said:

He was out recruiting yesterday after his meeting with Greene on Sunday so something isn’t adding up. My bet is Coach Gus has a bus for another year

I think you're right.  I've scoured the internet looking for any reliable corroboration of the things being discussed here, and I can't find any.  But stranger things have happened.

[jbush2404 4]

People keep saying that the buyout is to high and that they'll never pull the trigger because of it.

The question is can they afford not to make a change?

What if Auburn loses a few games early next season and fans start to not attend the games?
Donors aren't so quick to throw their money at a losing program.

The $45 million buyout may pale in comparison to what Malzahn ends up costing us if he stays.

[DAG 34,002]

This Moon guy seems to be making a name for himself. Anyway, I don't like this loophole thing lol. At least we can all stop with this family and Auburn is greater than everyone else when it comes to morality nonsense. It is a dirty game behind the scenes and Auburn is not removed from it. Played by both coaches and the money guys alike.