huge respect for coach grimes

[Auburn2Eugene 2,317]

And for the record, I am in the camp that wants Grimes out. I give Grimes real credit for fixing the crap show he created... er... inherited... He is getting the most out of what he has... But he ultimately created this issue before he was pushed out last time he was the OL coach. And him bringing in elite talent on the OL looks like it has as much chance as a snowman living a long life on the equator. 

So yes... He is an excellent on the field coach. But my cat and guinea pig can recruit at the same level. That crap may work at Cincinnati and/or UCONN , but this is the SEC... And there is a VERY REAL reason he was pushed out the first time. And it had NOTHING to do with coaching with his son. 

[abw0004 10,125]

10 hours ago, Auburn2Eugene said:

It's not even positive comments. It's comments that line up with their own personal agendas. If you want to bash Gus you will agree with everything that bashes him with very little "evidence or proof." Just like if you support Gus at all costs, no matter what "proof or evidence" is given, you will support him at all costs. Likewise, if you are in the support at all costs camp, anything that supports your agenda you will back with very little "proof or evidence." 

It's human nature really. There are very few truly independent people who will truly look at both sides before making an assumption.

I will have to respectfully disagree with that.  I support Gus no matter what as long as he is our coach.  But I also acknowledge the opposing camp’s viewpoint.  I’m not afraid to admit when wrong.  And most people are like that.  Now, I do agree there are some like what you describe, but they are more outliers.  Typically you see those that just bash Gus get banned eventually.  

[McLoofus 35,182]

37 minutes ago, abw0004 said:

I will have to respectfully disagree with that.  I support Gus no matter what as long as he is our coach.  But I also acknowledge the opposing camp’s viewpoint.  I’m not afraid to admit when wrong.  And most people are like that.  Now, I do agree there are some like what you describe, but they are more outliers.  Typically you see those that just bash Gus get banned eventually.  

Agreed.

I think perception is a little different than reality because some of said outliers also happen to be some of the most frequent and vociferous contributors on this site. Which seems to be typical of group discourse in general. 

[I_M4_AU 7,856]

4 hours ago, abw0004 said:

Typically you see those that just bash Gus get banned eventually.  

The banning is directly proportional to the level of frustration a poster feels, whether he is a Gus basher or supporter.  See Corchjay. 

[McLoofus 35,182]

33 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

The banning is directly proportional to the level of frustration a poster feels, whether he is a Gus basher or supporter.  See Corchjay. 

Very diplomatic.

[toddc 13,194]

5 hours ago, abw0004 said:

I will have to respectfully disagree with that.  I support Gus no matter what as long as he is our coach.  But I also acknowledge the opposing camp’s viewpoint.  I’m not afraid to admit when wrong.  And most people are like that.  Now, I do agree there are some like what you describe, but they are more outliers.  Typically you see those that just bash Gus get banned eventually.  

If you got banned for CGM bashing half the board would be gone! 😂 

[abw0004 10,125]

55 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

The banning is directly proportional to the level of frustration a poster feels, whether he is a Gus basher or supporter.  See Corchjay. 

 

12 minutes ago, toddc said:

If you got banned for CGM bashing half the board would be gone! 😂 

Well I do agree that happened, but who I was referencing was those that were only here to troll and only hate on Gus.  Nothing else was ever posted.  L I G E R and ThrustMaxwell were examples of that.

[McLoofus 35,182]

11 minutes ago, abw0004 said:

Well I do agree that happened, but who I was referencing was those that were only here to troll and only hate on Gus.  Nothing else was ever posted.  L I G E R and ThrustMaxwell were examples of that.

I think somebody even discovered there was a coordinated attack from them and some other goons from whatever garbage dump they normally hang out at. Like, they all hang out on some bootleg forum and hate themselves and don't get laid together until they identify another site to troll en masse. I'll never understand that.

It's a shame because those guys are reasonably knowledgeable. 

[abw0004 10,125]

22 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

I think somebody even discovered there was a coordinated attack from them and some other goons from whatever garbage dump they normally hang out at. Like, they all hang out on some bootleg forum and hate themselves and don't get laid together until they identify another site to troll en masse. I'll never understand that.

It's a shame because those guys are reasonably knowledgeable. 

Yes it was, I remember the site.  It was on a Rant subforum.  I am pretty sure Eugene was a part of that too, although I am in no way grouping him in with those other two.  There were a few others that are posters on here too that it is pretty easy to figure out which is which.  They use similar usernames and/or same profile thumbnails.  You would think it would be wise to not reuse things like that.

[I_M4_AU 7,856]

1 hour ago, abw0004 said:

 

Well I do agree that happened, but who I was referencing was those that were only here to troll and only hate on Gus.  Nothing else was ever posted.  L I G E R and ThrustMaxwell were examples of that.

I know you were limiting your thoughts to Gus Bashers, I like to bring up the other side that you weren’t specifically targeting.  In your examples, I believe the MODs did an excellent job of letting them spew their garbage until it was obvious they were here just to troll.

They only step in when the board is not able to reel these posters in.  The board is the first defense to trolls.  JMO.

[aubiefifty 16,805]

1 hour ago, abw0004 said:

 

Well I do agree that happened, but who I was referencing was those that were only here to troll and only hate on Gus.  Nothing else was ever posted.  L I G E R and ThrustMaxwell were examples of that.

rumors discussed by the water cooler say thrust was a porn star and he got busy making movies. personally i think golf is the biigest stud muffin on this site and i would bet money on it............

[toddc 13,194]

4 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

rumors discussed by the water cooler say thrust was a porn star and he got busy making movies. personally i think golf is the biigest stud muffin on this site and i would bet money on it............

Ewwww! 😆 

[aubiefifty 16,805]

Just now, toddc said:

Ewwww! 😆 

hey! never said ya had to date either one just sayin......lol

[Auburn2Eugene 2,317]

On 5/1/2019 at 8:26 AM, abw0004 said:

I support Gus no matter what as long as he is our coach.  

This statement makes it clear what side of the fence you are on... You made my point for me. 

No matter how many times he makes boneheaded decisions, no matter how many times he takes his foot off the gas and it costs us games, no matter how bi-polar his offense is at some times, doesn't matter SOMEONE on his staff couldnt count to 5. No matter how many people have become apathetic towards Auburn Football...

"I SUPPORT GUS NO MATTER WHAT"

Im not calling for Gus' head. I hate coaching changes. But i do not think Gus is the best long term solution as far as coaches go. And i dont care who the coach is... When it gets to a point that a very real percentage of the fanbase is apathetic towards the main money making sport...  Something has to give. 

I love the fact Gus loves Auburn. I love the fact that he wants to be here. I love the fact he is betting on himself. But that has to turn that into sustained success. Averaging 4.5 losses per season should not make someone be in the top 5 highest paid coaches in the nation. We are paying Bob Stoops money for David Cutcliffe results. We are certainly not getting value for the money we are paying. So that makes me torn about how i really feel. Sure Gus could really turn it around this next year. And have us in position for a CFP birth. I dont think that will happen, but it COULD. However history suggests that even if we go undefeated next year, or lose 1 or 2, that the very next year will drop back to 5 or 6 Ls on the season. That has to stop happening.

 

And a very real thing that is going to hinder the 2020 team is the OL. We HAVE to get some big time recruits signed. And that isnt something Grimes has been able to do for quite a while. Something has to give as far as OL recruiting goes. We can NOT keep missing our top targets and keep saying Next Year. Next Year will be a huge OL class. Next Year has been said for the last like 5.

[bigbird 60,564]

3 hours ago, Auburn2Eugene said:

And a very real thing that is going to hinder the 2020 team is the OL. We HAVE to get some big time recruits signed. And that isnt something Grimes has been able to do for quite a while. Something has to give as far as OL recruiting goes. We can NOT keep missing our top targets and keep saying Next Year. Next Year will be a huge OL class. Next Year has been said for the last like 5.

Cue Mikey in 3...2...1...

[abw0004 10,125]

3 hours ago, Auburn2Eugene said:

This statement makes it clear what side of the fence you are on... You made my point for me. 

I am not sure I did.  I think you are taking what I said out of context, you would need to include what I said after that.  I fully admit I am a Gus supporter. I am also a Bruce supporter too and any other Auburn coach supporter.  But I also acknowledge the opposing viewpoint and even admit when they are correct.  I believe your point would state I would say that I am always right, and ignore facts that state my feelings are incorrect.  And I say this respectfully too, not trying to argue.  I have no qualms with you, as I think you know. 

[DAG 33,995]

On 5/1/2019 at 8:26 AM, abw0004 said:

I will have to respectfully disagree with that.  I support Gus no matter what as long as he is our coach.  But I also acknowledge the opposing camp’s viewpoint.  I’m not afraid to admit when wrong.  And most people are like that.  Now, I do agree there are some like what you describe, but they are more outliers.  Typically you see those that just bash Gus get banned eventually.  

Be careful with that no matter what stuff. There are individuals employed who can absolutely be detrimental to what you are doing. Chizik, beginning to the end of his last year, was very detrimental as a HC. Red flag was Gus running out in the off season for a lower status job. Then we had on and off the field issues. Ego seem to be a huge downfall !

[abw0004 10,125]

53 minutes ago, DAG said:

Be careful with that no matter what stuff. There are individuals employed who can absolutely be detrimental to what you are doing. Chizik, beginning to the end of his last year, was very detrimental as a HC. Red flag was Gus running out in the off season for a lower status job. Then we had on and off the field issues. Ego seem to be a huge downfall !

Yeah I understand your point.  It can be tricky, like with the Chuck Persons situation.  It’s just something to where if the have on that AU logo (player/coach/fan), I support them.  It’s a reason why I try to support Auburn businesses, help out an Auburn fan in need on the side of the road, etc.  

[WFE12 9,191]

On 5/1/2019 at 2:10 PM, toddc said:

If you got banned for CGM bashing half the board would be gone! 😂 

 

[AUwent 3,754]

On 5/2/2019 at 1:19 PM, Auburn2Eugene said:

This statement makes it clear what side of the fence you are on... You made my point for me. 

No matter how many times he makes boneheaded decisions, no matter how many times he takes his foot off the gas and it costs us games, no matter how bi-polar his offense is at some times, doesn't matter SOMEONE on his staff couldnt count to 5. No matter how many people have become apathetic towards Auburn Football...

"I SUPPORT GUS NO MATTER WHAT"

Im not calling for Gus' head. I hate coaching changes. But i do not think Gus is the best long term solution as far as coaches go. And i dont care who the coach is... When it gets to a point that a very real percentage of the fanbase is apathetic towards the main money making sport...  Something has to give. 

I love the fact Gus loves Auburn. I love the fact that he wants to be here. I love the fact he is betting on himself. But that has to turn that into sustained success. Averaging 4.5 losses per season should not make someone be in the top 5 highest paid coaches in the nation. We are paying Bob Stoops money for David Cutcliffe results. We are certainly not getting value for the money we are paying. So that makes me torn about how i really feel. Sure Gus could really turn it around this next year. And have us in position for a CFP birth. I dont think that will happen, but it COULD. However history suggests that even if we go undefeated next year, or lose 1 or 2, that the very next year will drop back to 5 or 6 Ls on the season. That has to stop happening.

 

And a very real thing that is going to hinder the 2020 team is the OL. We HAVE to get some big time recruits signed. And that isnt something Grimes has been able to do for quite a while. Something has to give as far as OL recruiting goes. We can NOT keep missing our top targets and keep saying Next Year. Next Year will be a huge OL class. Next Year has been said for the last like 5.

And this is why a good season this year could be highly detrimental in the long run.

OL coach hires will be Gus's end. Our recruiting class is ranked TWENTIETH. And the OL guys we have committed we beat out UK and Louisville for.

MMW: If Grimes is still our OC OL coach after this year, it will take until 2023 for us to be relevant again.

[toddc 13,194]

15 minutes ago, AUwent said:

And this is why a good season this year could be highly detrimental in the long run.

OL coach hires will be Gus's end. Our recruiting class is ranked TWENTIETH. And the OL guys we have committed we beat out UK and Louisville for.

MMW: If Grimes is still our OC after this year, it will take until 2023 for us to be relevant again.

If Grimes is our offensive coordinator I’ll eat my hat!

[aujeff11 6,243]

18 hours ago, AUwent said:

And this is why a good season this year could be highly detrimental in the long run.

How in the heck can Auburn fans think like this? 

[AUwent 3,754]

1 minute ago, aujeff11 said:

How in the heck can Auburn fans think like this? 

It's a long term thing. Our recruiting is absolutely crumbling right now. And given that a 10-win season in 2017 didn't exactly do much for our recruiting at key positions, I would say that a good season this year won't change much on that front. The longer Gus stays, the longer our recruiting stays bad. It sucks, but that appears to be the case.

[aujeff11 6,243]

23 minutes ago, AUwent said:

It's a long term thing. Our recruiting is absolutely crumbling right now. And given that a 10-win season in 2017 didn't exactly do much for our recruiting at key positions, I would say that a good season this year won't change much on that front. The longer Gus stays, the longer our recruiting stays bad. It sucks, but that appears to be the case.

It’s going to take Gus a year or so to get his recruiting stability back. However, let’s just say that he does well this season, the next year, his starting QB that did well the year before will only be a sophomore and by that point Gus is building something. 

[AuburnNTexas 7,151]

On ‎5‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 4:39 PM, abw0004 said:

Yeah I understand your point.  It can be tricky, like with the Chuck Persons situation.  It’s just something to where if the have on that AU logo (player/coach/fan), I support them.  It’s a reason why I try to support Auburn businesses, help out an Auburn fan in need on the side of the road, etc.  

I understand your viewpoint. Anytime an Auburn team is playing you cheer for them and want them to win. I will never want an Auburn team to lose to get rid of the coach that said when the coach has had a long time to put his imprint on the program and it is not progressing at some point you have to look at changing the coach. I supported Gus for a long time and I respect him for much of what he does. Running a clean program, solid recruiting in a tough environment, players who like him and never quit even when things go wrong, realizing the D was bad and bringing in the coaches to turn our D around these are things to like about Gus. You have to look at the other side of Gus he came in with a great offensive system partly because it was new and different but as teams adjusted to his system and rules changes impacted his system he has not shown the ability to adjust. His O has become so predictable that I can usually call the next play before they even get into the huddle, he has brought in yes men on O and when he gave them some flexibility to call plays if it started to go well he usually intervened. On O he has not shown the ability to adjust to the defenses and to the type of players he has. Last year we had a great combination of receivers both possession and speed we had speed in the backfield.  We had an O-Line that was weak but he didn't call the types of plays to help the line out. 

I want Gus to adjust this year and have a great season , I want a great O-Line class this year so that when our team has a bad year after our whole O-line graduates we will only be down one year as we have done well recruiting other areas. I want all this but I don't expect it.  If we don't have both we should be looking for a new coach but like you in every game we play I will be pulling for Auburn with all my heart.