NSA Surveillance program thwarted plans to bomb stock exchange

[shabby 1,960]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100802908

I imagine we are going to receive a slew of reports similar to this in the coming days. I'm sureThose against this administration will write it off to this president manufacturing and manipulating information and those that support Obama will utilize it as evidence that it served a valid purpose. What I really look forward to though, is the response from Libertarians that love to post things like if "Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security". How will the effectiveness of this program impact the libertarian view. How will Rand and Cruz respond to this? I suspect with silence.

[MDM4AU 337]

And the first Obama apologist has gone on record with the information everyone with an ounce of brain matter knew was coming as soon as all this broke. Politics is so predictable. :-\

[TitanTiger 20,708]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100802908

I imagine we are going to receive a slew of reports similar to this in the coming days. I'm sureThose against this administration will write it off to this president manufacturing and manipulating information and those that support Obama will utilize it as evidence that it served a valid purpose. What I really look forward to though, is the response from Libertarians that love to post things like if "Those who giveup their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security". How will the effectiveness of this program impact the libertarian view. How will Rand and Cruz respond to this? I suspect with silence.

Funny how these articles come out but no one mentions the elephant in the room: the fact that the Boston Marathon bombing was not prevented by all this surveillance.

Or is it only kosher to discuss the ones that we did foil?

[shabby 1,960]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100802908

I imagine we are going to receive a slew of reports similar to this in the coming days. I'm sureThose against this administration will write it off to this president manufacturing and manipulating information and those that support Obama will utilize it as evidence that it served a valid purpose. What I really look forward to though, is the response from Libertarians that love to post things like if "Those who giveup their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security". How will the effectiveness of this program impact the libertarian view. How will Rand and Cruz respond to this? I suspect with silence.

Funny how these articles come out but no one mentions the elephant in the room: the fact that the Boston Marathon bombing was not prevented by all this surveillance.

Or is it only kosher to discuss the ones that we did foil?

Gotcha, so a 100% success rate is required for a program to have value.

[shabby 1,960]

And the first Obama apologist has gone on record with the information everyone with an ounce of brain matter knew was coming as soon as all this broke. Politics is so predictable. :-\

That was so enlightening. Way to avoid topic. Perhaps you could go over to the All things considered board and discuss girl scout cookies if incapable of giving deeper thought.

[MDM4AU 337]

I gave it all the deep thought it was worthy of.

[shabby 1,960]

I gave it all the deep thought it was worthy of.

Or capable of. How about answering the question. Does surveillance of this type have merit if its proven to have thwarted dozens of domestic terror attacks. You responded to this thread without actually responding to this thread. Rather silly don't you think?

[TitanTiger 20,708]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100802908

I imagine we are going to receive a slew of reports similar to this in the coming days. I'm sureThose against this administration will write it off to this president manufacturing and manipulating information and those that support Obama will utilize it as evidence that it served a valid purpose. What I really look forward to though, is the response from Libertarians that love to post things like if "Those who giveup their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security". How will the effectiveness of this program impact the libertarian view. How will Rand and Cruz respond to this? I suspect with silence.

Funny how these articles come out but no one mentions the elephant in the room: the fact that the Boston Marathon bombing was not prevented by all this surveillance.

Or is it only kosher to discuss the ones that we did foil?

Gotcha, so a 100% success rate is required for a program to have value.

No, but neither is trotting out an example of something thwarted all that's required to baptize these violations of the 4th Amendment and make them good.

[Grumps 3,706]

shabby is not worried, the government will protect him/her!

[homersapien 11,812]

Love these responses:

It's "funny" if we learn about successful interventions without mentioning the "elephant in the room", Boston. :-\

Revealing a successful intervention resulting from a surveillance program already in place when he entered office is being an "Obama apologist".

[homersapien 11,812]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100802908

I imagine we are going to receive a slew of reports similar to this in the coming days. I'm sureThose against this administration will write it off to this president manufacturing and manipulating information and those that support Obama will utilize it as evidence that it served a valid purpose. What I really look forward to though, is the response from Libertarians that love to post things like if "Those who giveup their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security". How will the effectiveness of this program impact the libertarian view. How will Rand and Cruz respond to this? I suspect with silence.

Funny how these articles come out but no one mentions the elephant in the room: the fact that the Boston Marathon bombing was not prevented by all this surveillance.

Or is it only kosher to discuss the ones that we did foil?

Gotcha, so a 100% success rate is required for a program to have value.

No, but neither is trotting out an example of something thwarted all that's required to baptize these violations of the 4th Amendment and make them good.

Nor does you saying these programs are a violation of the 4th amendment make it so.

[homersapien 11,812]

shabby is not worried, the government will protect him/her!

Presumably, you are talking about Islamic terrorists, so who's protecting you?

[TitanTiger 20,708]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100802908

I imagine we are going to receive a slew of reports similar to this in the coming days. I'm sureThose against this administration will write it off to this president manufacturing and manipulating information and those that support Obama will utilize it as evidence that it served a valid purpose. What I really look forward to though, is the response from Libertarians that love to post things like if "Those who giveup their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security". How will the effectiveness of this program impact the libertarian view. How will Rand and Cruz respond to this? I suspect with silence.

Funny how these articles come out but no one mentions the elephant in the room: the fact that the Boston Marathon bombing was not prevented by all this surveillance.

Or is it only kosher to discuss the ones that we did foil?

Gotcha, so a 100% success rate is required for a program to have value.

No, but neither is trotting out an example of something thwarted all that's required to baptize these violations of the 4th Amendment and make them good.

Nor does you saying these programs are a violation of the 4th amendment make it so.

The 4th Amendment says it all by itself. We have not granted our government the constitutional power to gather all of our private information and hold it for when they want to go fishing with the permission of a secret and unaccountable court.

[homersapien 11,812]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100802908

I imagine we are going to receive a slew of reports similar to this in the coming days. I'm sureThose against this administration will write it off to this president manufacturing and manipulating information and those that support Obama will utilize it as evidence that it served a valid purpose. What I really look forward to though, is the response from Libertarians that love to post things like if "Those who giveup their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security". How will the effectiveness of this program impact the libertarian view. How will Rand and Cruz respond to this? I suspect with silence.

Funny how these articles come out but no one mentions the elephant in the room: the fact that the Boston Marathon bombing was not prevented by all this surveillance.

Or is it only kosher to discuss the ones that we did foil?

Gotcha, so a 100% success rate is required for a program to have value.

No, but neither is trotting out an example of something thwarted all that's required to baptize these violations of the 4th Amendment and make them good.

Nor does you saying these programs are a violation of the 4th amendment make it so.

The 4th Amendment says it all by itself. We have not granted our government the constitutional power to gather all of our private information and hold it for when they want to go fishing with the permission of a secret and unaccountable court.

Like I said...

[AUGradinTX 0]

I don't think it matters what it has prevented. We are suppose to be protected from this sort of surveillance by the Bill of Right. Don't like it, work to have it changed. Don't lie to us for nearly a decade about it. In the UK, they actually discussed this in parliament and ended up voting it down after a good debate. Isn't that democracy? What happened to us, the champions of democracy? We get no say. We just got lies and deceit and secrecy. That's a worrisome thought. Especially when the Constitution protects us from this sort of government abuse of power. The problem is, the government is now disregarding the document put in place to protect us.

Another tidbit for you. All this information they are collecting about you and me... They are sharing it with foreign governments! England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/18/australia-prism-surveillance

http://www.science20.com/recreational_number_theory/blog/nsa_global_data_gathering_old_news-114311

[shabby 1,960]

Anybody claiming this is a violation of the 4th amendment stands against the Supreme Court. It was authorized by the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act has not been invalidated by the Courts. Thus, it is the law of the land and passes constitutional mustard.

[TitanTiger 20,708]

It's "muster."

And it has yet to pass "muster" because it has not made it to the Supreme Court. Right now it's a case of "easier to ask forgiveness than permission."

[telling tiger 156]

Several aspects of the Patriot Act have been reviewed by SCOTUS, and an aspect or two have been denied review. This NSA program has not been among them.

[homersapien 11,812]

I don't think it matters what it has prevented. We are suppose to be protected from this sort of surveillance by the Bill of Right. Don't like it, work to have it changed. Don't lie to us for nearly a decade about it. In the UK, they actually discussed this in parliament and ended up voting it down after a good debate. Isn't that democracy? What happened to us, the champions of democracy? We get no say. We just got lies and deceit and secrecy. That's a worrisome thought. Especially when the Constitution protects us from this sort of government abuse of power. The problem is, the government is now disregarding the document put in place to protect us.

Another tidbit for you. All this information they are collecting about you and me... They are sharing it with foreign governments! England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.

http://www.guardian....sm-surveillance

http://www.science20...old_news-114311

What information are you referring to?

[AUGradinTX 0]

Anybody claiming this is a violation of the 4th amendment stands against the Supreme Court. It was authorized by the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act has not been invalidated by the Courts. Thus, it is the law of the land and passes constitutional mustard.

Not true. What is going on is without a doubt a violation of the 4th. Saying that doesn't mean I stand against the SCOTUS, rather standing for the constitution.

Furthermore, the sort of surveillance going on in the US was absolutely NOT authorized by The Patriot Act. I think we have already established here that the government is abusing that bill and misinterpreting its meaning.

https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=patriot+act+misinterpreted&oq=patriot+act+misint&gs_l=hp.3.0.33i29i30.3257.5010.1.6383.4.3.0.1.1.0.104.262.2j1.3.0...0.0...1c.1.17.psy-ab.z0xCtGUDqGA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47883778,bs.1,d.dmg&fp=f759d189ca9e00c4&biw=1440&bih=810

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/06/07/patriot-act-author-nsas-phone-tracking-is-un-american-abuses-power/

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/350690/author-patriot-act-calls-amending-it-lindsey-grudnicki

[AUGradinTX 0]

I don't think it matters what it has prevented. We are suppose to be protected from this sort of surveillance by the Bill of Right. Don't like it, work to have it changed. Don't lie to us for nearly a decade about it. In the UK, they actually discussed this in parliament and ended up voting it down after a good debate. Isn't that democracy? What happened to us, the champions of democracy? We get no say. We just got lies and deceit and secrecy. That's a worrisome thought. Especially when the Constitution protects us from this sort of government abuse of power. The problem is, the government is now disregarding the document put in place to protect us.

Another tidbit for you. All this information they are collecting about you and me... They are sharing it with foreign governments! England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.

http://www.guardian....sm-surveillance

http://www.science20...old_news-114311

What information are you referring to?

It is mainly information gathered from internet sites such as Facebook and Google.

[homersapien 11,812]

I don't think it matters what it has prevented. We are suppose to be protected from this sort of surveillance by the Bill of Right. Don't like it, work to have it changed. Don't lie to us for nearly a decade about it. In the UK, they actually discussed this in parliament and ended up voting it down after a good debate. Isn't that democracy? What happened to us, the champions of democracy? We get no say. We just got lies and deceit and secrecy. That's a worrisome thought. Especially when the Constitution protects us from this sort of government abuse of power. The problem is, the government is now disregarding the document put in place to protect us.

Another tidbit for you. All this information they are collecting about you and me... They are sharing it with foreign governments! England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.

http://www.guardian....sm-surveillance

http://www.science20...old_news-114311

What information are you referring to?

It is mainly information gathered from internet sites such as Facebook and Google.

Is the government collecting information about "me and you" from Facebook and Google without a warrant to do so?

[homersapien 11,812]

Anybody claiming this is a violation of the 4th amendment stands against the Supreme Court. It was authorized by the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act has not been invalidated by the Courts. Thus, it is the law of the land and passes constitutional mustard.

Not true. What is going on is without a doubt a violation of the 4th. Saying that doesn't mean I stand against the SCOTUS, rather standing for the constitution.

Furthermore, the sort of surveillance going on in the US was absolutely NOT authorized by The Patriot Act. I think we have already established here that the government is abusing that bill and misinterpreting its meaning.

https://www.google.c...iw=1440&bih=810

http://tv.msnbc.com/...n-abuses-power/

http://www.nationalr...ndsey-grudnicki

Saying "without a doubt" doesn't automatically elevate opinion to fact.

How about pointing out exactly where and how the NSA meta data program violates the fourth?

[homersapien 11,812]

Several aspects of the Patriot Act have been reviewed by SCOTUS, and an aspect or two have been denied review. This NSA program has not been among them.

Yet. I am sure it will be. And the sooner the better.

[autigeremt 6,970]

Question I have with no sarcasm attached (I know, I know...)? Do those who support this now that may not have during the Bush years also support a fence along the southern border? I mean, if this is so important that our national security is at stake wouldn't it also be important to close off our borders for the same reason? Just a thought.