Goya..

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12 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

We’ll see how long that lasts. 

 

Check with the lines at Chic-fil-a.

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6 minutes ago, The Freak said:

Check with the lines at Chic-fil-a.

Different animal.  Goya doesn't have much that I would say is different than most store brands.

Chick-fil-A offers a different type product, particularly the lower calories for fast food and the sauce.

[TitanTiger 20,506]

On 7/10/2020 at 10:50 PM, SaturdayGT said:

  So who's boycotting?....Seriously though, I'm curious to what everyone thinks of this "cancel culture" stuff.....this really feels like a grade school, "talk to the hand" mentality to me. ...

Generally speaking, boycotts are usually useless.  I grew up accustomed to hearing calls to boycott this company, the advertisers for that program, or this brand all the time from the likes of the American Family Association.  At some point it just starts being ridiculous and all but impossible to be consistent on.  It reminds me of this oldie but goodie from Lark News (the Babylon Bee before there was a Babylon Bee):
 

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Family’s boycott extends to everything

JOPLIN, Mo. – Three years ago, the Molina family sat at their kitchen table and decided to take a moral stand: They would no longer patronize any company which had connection to abortions, homosexual rights, pornography or any other objectionable cause.

This month, the Molinas’ decision finally reached its zenith, as their boycott now covers every product on the U.S. market.

“Our lives have narrowed down to a few choice pleasures,” says mother Carly, peeling homegrown carrots and trying to put a positive spin on their experience. The children play with splintery wooden toys hewn from a nearby tree by their father, Joe Molina. On the mantle are framed photos of former Christmases, when the children received plush Elmo toys, tricycles and other toddler fare. Those days are no more.

The Molinas used to live like other American families, enjoying television shows, taking yearly flying vacations and participating in local sports.

Now they cannot go to Disneyland or watch ABC News, because ABC supports domestic partnerships. They no longer eat at McDonald’s, Burger King or Taco Bell, because those companies have made contributions to candidates which support abortion. Carl’s Jr. is out of the question because of their racy television commercials. Even LegoLand is tainted: its corporate headquarters in Denmark supports liberal political causes.

They can’t drive vehicles made by Toyota, Ford, BMW or most other car companies because they allow health insurance designation of domestic partners. They can’t eat Frito-Lay products because the company’s health plan splits the cost of abortions with its employees. Even the cooperatives that grow and deliver fresh fruit and vegetables are dominated by unions, which the Molinas boycott because of their affiliation with liberal causes, the only health services they agree with is the one provided by their dentist, Dr Poria Edalat DD, who has always taken care of their dental health and has always respected their beliefs.

“The pantry and the entertainment closet started getting bare once we looked into these companies,” Joe says. They now drive a Kia, whose parent company earns a “clean” rating from the Molinas. The only commercially-grown food they can eat is potatoes, the only crop they know of with no ties to objectionable activity.

“We’re finding creative ways of cooking the spud,” says Joe one night, standing over a deep fryer. The electricity is supplied by a generator, because the Molinas are boycotting the local utility company for offering cable television which includes racy movie channels.

Little by little, family members have stopped visiting, and the Molinas have found their social life languishing. Nobody wants to eat homemade vegatable stew, even with the promise of homemade ice cream, says Joe.

He and Carly employ gallows humor, sometimes waking up in the morning and remarking, “So, what can’t we do today?” Long-distance vacations are gone, as airplane-maker Boeing supports domestic partnerships.

For entertainment they watch old Lassie movies on a VCR made by an obscure Korean company – the only electronics maker they could find that has no tie to immoral causes. When a reporter points out that Lassie is owned by Warner Studios, a supporter of dozens of liberal causes, Joe sighs, pulls the video from the machine and breaks it in two. The children run to their rooms and cry face-down on their Amish blankets.

“They’re used to it. They’ll get over it,” Joe says. 

http://www.larknews.com/archives/320

 

 

[TexasTiger 12,969]

1 hour ago, The Freak said:

Check with the lines at Chic-fil-a.

That’s folks continuing with a product they like at a business that is well run. I doubt many folks buying canned beans today as a political statement maintain that brand loyalty long-term. And I say that as someone who bought Goya before and don’t plan to stop over something as innocuous as praising a president I don’t respect. When companies engage in behavior I consider unethical, that’s something I’ll factor into my buying habits.

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Chic- fila is a great example. The founder made his statements. People flocked there for a couple weeks. ( erroneously celebrating “ freedom of speech “) then when that burst died out, that left the business back to the normal levels. Except the normal levels were below the old normal levels because they offended a section of society ( small but noticeable section). The the founder readjusted and clarified his words to compensate for the loses. ( no idea how much that helped) This whole time I go there when I can’t talk my wife and kids out of it like nothing ever happened. I suffer through the food but their service and consistency is unmatched. 

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28 minutes ago, alexava said:

Chic- fila is a great example. The founder made his statements. People flocked there for a couple weeks. ( erroneously celebrating “ freedom of speech “) then when that burst died out, that left the business back to the normal levels. Except the normal levels were below the old normal levels because they offended a section of society ( small but noticeable section). The the founder readjusted and clarified his words to compensate for the loses. ( no idea how much that helped) This whole time I go there when I can’t talk my wife and kids out of it like nothing ever happened. I suffer through the food but their service and consistency is unmatched. 

How do you know the normal levels were below the old normal levels?  

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52 minutes ago, SocialCircle said:

How do you know the normal levels were below the old normal levels?  

That’s why he backed off. They acknowledged it. The gay community quit them. 

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2 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

That’s folks continuing with a product they like at a business that is well run. I doubt many folks buying canned beans today as a political statement maintain that brand loyalty long-term. And I say that as someone who bought Goya before and don’t plan to stop over something as innocuous as praising a president I don’t respect. When companies engage in behavior I consider unethical, that’s something I’ll factor into my buying habits.

Exactly!!!

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4 hours ago, TitanTiger said:

Generally speaking, boycotts are usually useless.  I grew up accustomed to hearing calls to boycott this company, the advertisers for that program, or this brand all the time from the likes of the American Family Association.  At some point it just starts being ridiculous and all but impossible to be consistent on.  It reminds me of this oldie but goodie from Lark News (the Babylon Bee before there was a Babylon Bee):
 

 

 

Still needing that WOW button... 😮...#CarlsJr!

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4 hours ago, alexava said:

That’s why he backed off. They acknowledged it. The gay community quit them. 

That’s not really an answer. 

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Just now, TitanTiger said:

That’s not really an answer. 

You are welcome to look it up. Why else do you think he would have backed up on it?

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1 hour ago, alexava said:

You are welcome to look it up. Why else do you think he would have backed up on it?

It's your assertion.  It's not really on me to go do your homework.

Maybe he wanted to expand into more liberal areas of the country and felt like he needed to make a gesture.  Maybe someone changed his mind.  Maybe some time passed and he thought he could give a little to get a little.  Maybe his kids are running the business more now and they're more liberal/less conservative than he is. What I can't find anywhere is any indication that CFA has done anything other than continue to grow like gangbusters since the entire thing happened.

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17 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

It's your assertion.  It's not really on me to go do your homework.

Maybe he wanted to expand into more liberal areas of the country and felt like he needed to make a gesture.  Maybe someone changed his mind.  Maybe some time passed and he thought he could give a little to get a little.  Maybe his kids are running the business more now and they're more liberal/less conservative than he is. What I can't find anywhere is any indication that CFA has done anything other than continue to grow like gangbusters since the entire thing happened.

They’ve expanded so sales have increased. But it’s cost them markets:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/9kem5e/the-uks-first-chick-fil-a-has-announced-its-closure-after-just-eight-days

 

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14 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

They’ve expanded so sales have increased. But it’s cost them markets:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/9kem5e/the-uks-first-chick-fil-a-has-announced-its-closure-after-just-eight-days

 

True.  But his assertion was that he backed off because after an initial burst of sales "for a couple of weeks" from Christians/conservatives over his gay marriage stance, sales went back to "normal levels" but that those were lower than the previous normal.  What actually happened is that CFA more than doubled their sales in the *years* following the big hubbub.  It cost them a few markets.  They have not had their sales fall to a new, lower "normal."

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2 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

True.  But his assertion was that he backed off because after an initial burst of sales "for a couple of weeks" from Christians/conservatives over his gay marriage stance, sales went back to "normal levels" but that those were lower than the previous normal.  What actually happened is that CFA more than doubled their sales in the *years* following the big hubbub.  It cost them a few markets.  They have not had their sales fall to a new, lower "normal."

It’s hard to know the impact on American markets — did folks continue buying CFA after the initial burst of political support from folks not previously fans and is that number higher than those who avoid it? What we do know is that it’s a generally well-run brand that has survived stepping into a huge PR issue by aggressive expansion coupled with backing off the political forays. They didn’t double down like Goya. 

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7 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

It’s hard to know the impact on American markets — did folks continue buying CFA after the initial burst of political support from folks not previously fans and is that number higher than those who avoid it? What we do know is that it’s a generally well-run brand that has survived stepping into a huge PR issue by aggressive expansion coupled with backing off the political forays. They didn’t double down like Goya. 

No, I wasn't comparing them to how Goya has handled it.  I was just pushing back against an unproven assertion.

[TexasTiger 12,969]

2 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

No, I wasn't comparing them to how Goya has handled it.  I was just pushing back against an unproven assertion.

Understood.

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37 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

No, I wasn't comparing them to how Goya has handled it.  I was just pushing back against an unproven assertion.

The proof is in the pudding. If it wasn’t a net negative he would not have made a clarification to it. None of it matters to me but I remember it very well I just don’t remember the actual time it happened’12-‘14 I’m guessing. I have very close friends we discussed it in depth back then. They are gay but they didn’t boycott either. They are somewhat conservatives who like the food and service. They were already married anyway. 

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[RunInRed 16,453]

Never bought anything Goya in my life, see no reason to start/stop now.

Do people really eat canned beans or whatever it is they sell?

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3 minutes ago, RunInRed said:

Never bought anything Goya in my life, see no reason to start/stop now.

Do people really eat canned beans or whatever it is they sell?

Yeah. I mean, I enjoy refried beans from time to time.

Mostly to go in other dishes though. Bean dips and the like.

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46 minutes ago, RunInRed said:

Never bought anything Goya in my life, see no reason to start/stop now.

Do people really eat canned beans or whatever it is they sell?

Same. I am curious though, how many Mexican restaurants across the US use Goya as their primary food vendor/supplier. 
 

But in the end...beans are beans.  If you can provide me with one name brand black bean versus something Kroger brand, and they taste different, I’ll throw you some money. 
 

This whole “cancel culture” has become toxic and is completely undermining whatever it is that whatever group stands for. That also includes the Nike burners and Yeti blower-up-ers. It’s all become some banal. 
 

People want to cancel ******* Hamilton ffs. A musical featuring a predominantly people of color cast. Everyone is just so damn sensitive...and it’s not relegated to any specific political group. My wife is a staunch liberal(I dance on the fence with my beliefs, but largely am socially liberal), and even she agrees that s*** is just getting out of hand. If you really cared, you’d try to cancel Disney as a whole because Walt wasn’t exactly an ally(allegedly).  

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23 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Yeah. I mean, I enjoy refried beans from time to time.

Mostly to go in other dishes though. Bean dips and the like.

Old El Paso is the only canned refried beans I’ve ever used. Dump in the casserole dish and it looks like dog food. It tastes delicious. 

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1 hour ago, RunInRed said:

Never bought anything Goya in my life, see no reason to start/stop now.

Do people really eat canned beans or whatever it is they sell?

Yes, actual humans eat canned beans. Among other things.  But I bet she doesn’t...

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38 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

Yes, actual humans eat canned beans. Among other things.  But I bet she doesn’t...

Do they sell Goya at the Dollar Tree?