Why Feb 26, 1993 Shows That Those Who Say jan. 6, 2021 was "No Big Deal" Are Wrong.

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13 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Nothing.  He knows nothing.  He has mush for brains.

(Same goes for Hershel Walker.)

He lived through it, you were just there at the same time.

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10 minutes ago, homersapien said:

But white supremacy is exactly what he is supporting - make voting more difficult for the majority of black people than it is for the majority of white people.

How is he supporting making the vote more difficult for the majority of black people?  He is saying assuming a black person is not capable of obtaining an ID is offensive to him.  What else is he supporting that would make it harder for black people to vote?

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1 hour ago, wdefromtx said:

So I’m guessing you being a white guy knows what is best for minorities….

Personally, I'll rely on the wisdom of  John L. Lewis - who wrote the legislation - along with all of the black people who support it.

How about you?

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9 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

He lived through it, you were just there at the same time.

Don't know if he did or not. Did he grow up in Utah?

I know for sure that John L. Lewis "lived through it" but just barely.

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4 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

How is he supporting making the vote more difficult for the majority of black people?  He is saying assuming a black person is not capable of obtaining an ID is offensive to him.  What else is he supporting that would make it harder for black people to vote?

Most of the provisions passed by Republicans make it more difficult for poor people or people living in disadvantaged areas to vote, including requirement of new photo IDs.   Those people just happen to be disproportionately black.  That's not a coincidence. 

Just as the "problem" they are supposedly solving has not been demonstrated to exist.  That's not a coincidence either.

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4 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Don't know if he did or not. Did he grow up in Utah?

I know for sure that John L. Lewis "lived through it" but just barely.

He mentioned in the video posted that he grew up in the Jim Crowe south.  He did well for himself.

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3 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Most of the provisions passed by Republicans make it more difficult for poor people or people living in disadvantaged areas to vote, including requirement of new photo IDs.   Those people just happen to be disproportionately black.  That's not a coincidence. 

Just as the "problem" they are supposedly solving has not been demonstrated to exist.  That's not a coincidence either.

Exactly what Owens said offended him, it’s pitiful to believe black people are not capable of getting an ID.  It’s just another hurdle everybody has to clear to get to vote and prevent voter fraud.

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2 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

He mentioned in the video posted that he grew up in the Jim Crowe south.  He did well for himself.

He's undoubtedly doing well for himself.  But the issue is that he is not doing well for black people by opposing this legislation.

 

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1 minute ago, I_M4_AU said:

Exactly what Owens said offended him, it’s pitiful to believe black people are not capable of getting an ID.  It’s just another hurdle everybody has to clear to get to vote and prevent voter fraud.

Rich people -  black or white - don't have problems obtaining an ID (which is not really needed at any rate).

But again, these new Republican laws are generally designed to make it more difficult for poor people to vote, which effectively means it makes it more difficult for black people to vote.

Voter fraud is not a problem.  Those "hurdles" you speak of are designed to benefit Republicans, not to solve an existing problem.

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5 hours ago, homersapien said:

Rich people -  black or white - don't have problems obtaining an ID (which is not really needed at any rate).

But again, these new Republican laws are generally designed to make it more difficult for poor people to vote, which effectively means it makes it more difficult for black people to vote.

Voter fraud is not a problem.  Those "hurdles" you speak of are designed to benefit Republicans, not to solve an existing problem.

It is no trouble at all for anyone to get a picture id. Sorry homer you are flat wrong.

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8 hours ago, homersapien said:

Trump never said not to break into the capitol.  That was by design.  Why did Trump say it was "common sense" for the rioters to be hollering "Hang Pence"?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/12/trump-capitol-attack-rioters-mike-pence

And if what happened wasn't Trump's intention, why didn't he try to stop it?  He had plenty of time to make that attempt and people were begging him to do so.  Trump clearly didn't care if the election was overturned by violence. So he sat back and enjoyed watching what he had created, reveling in the fact it was all for him. 

You seem to think Trump is a normal, rational person instead of the psychopathic narcissist he actually is.

And Trump can say whatever he wants, but as POTUS he should be held him accountable for the consequences.  No one but a fool would deny that riot was a direct consequence of Trump's rhetoric leading up to - and including - the day of the riot.  In fact, he still hasn't conceded he lost.

You are exactly the sort of cultist Trump was alluding to when he said he could shoot someone in public and get away with it.

If someone sincerely reasons like a cultist, they are a cultist - and a fool - by definition. They are interchangeable terms in this case. 

Are you "OK" with being a fool?

 

 

 

Yes. Thank you sir!

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Rich people -  black or white - don't have problems obtaining an ID (which is not really needed at any rate).

But again, these new Republican laws are generally designed to make it more difficult for poor people to vote, which effectively means it makes it more difficult for black people to vote.

Voter fraud is not a problem.  Those "hurdles" you speak of are designed to benefit Republicans, not to solve an existing problem.

 

As the actual Black People in the video showed, there was no 'obstacle' to anyone getting a voter ID etc. This is just a really sad lame ass talking point. 

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20 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

I'm not a white guy. I'm a white and black dolphin with a cat head. 

Being at least 50% black (probably a bit more) does make me uniquely qualified, yes. 

In a thread darkened by the lies of so many, this is a shining beacon of truth.

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Leader of Oath Keepers and 10 Other Individuals Indicted in Federal Court for Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach

Eight Others Facing Charges in Two Related Cases

A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned an indictment yesterday, which was unsealed today, charging 11 defendants with seditious conspiracy and other charges for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, which disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress that was in the process of ascertaining and counting the electoral votes related to the presidential election.

According to court documents, Elmer Stewart Rhodes III, 56, of Granbury, Texas, who is the founder and leader of the Oath Keepers; and Edward Vallejo, 63, of Phoenix, Arizona, are being charged for the first time in connection with events leading up to and including Jan. 6. Rhodes was arrested this morning in Little Elm, Texas, and Vallejo was arrested this morning in Phoenix.

In addition to Rhodes and Vallejo, those named in the indictment include nine previously charged defendants: Thomas Caldwell, 67, of Berryville, Virginia; Joseph Hackett, 51, of Sarasota, Florida; Kenneth Harrelson, 41, of Titusville, Florida; Joshua James, 34, of Arab, Alabama; Kelly Meggs, 52, of Dunnellon, Florida; Roberto Minuta, 37, of Prosper, Texas; David Moerschel, 44, of Punta Gorda, Florida; Brian Ulrich, 44, of Guyton, Georgia and Jessica Watkins, 39, of Woodstock, Ohio. In addition to the earlier charges filed against them, they now face additional counts for seditious conspiracy and other offenses.

Eight other individuals affiliated with the Oath Keepers, all previously charged in the investigation, remain as defendants in two related cases. All defendants – except Rhodes and Vallejo – previously were charged in a superseding indictment. The superseding indictment has now effectively been split into three parts: the 11-defendant seditious conspiracy case, a seven-defendant original case, and a third case against one of the previously charged defendants.

In one of the related cases, the original superseding indictment, charges remain pending against James Beeks, 49, of Orlando, Florida; Donovan Crowl, 51, of Cable, Ohio; William Isaacs, 22, of Kissimmee, Florida; Connie Meggs, 60, of Dunnellon, Florida; Sandra Parker, 63, of Morrow, Ohio; Bernie Parker, 71, of Morrow, Ohio, and Laura Steele, 53, of Thomasville, North Carolina. The other case charges Jonathan Walden, 57, of Birmingham, Alabama.

The three indictments collectively charge all 19 defendants with corruptly obstructing an official proceeding. Eighteen of the 19 defendants – the exception is Walden – are charged with conspiring to obstruct an official proceeding and conspiring to prevent an officer of the United States from discharging a duty. Eleven of the 19 defendants are charged with seditious conspiracy. Some of the defendants are also facing other related charges.

As alleged in the indictments, the Oath Keepers are a large but loosely organized collection of individuals, some of whom are associated with militias. Though the Oath Keepers will accept anyone as members, they explicitly focus on recruiting current and former military, law enforcement and first-responder personnel. Members and affiliates of the Oath Keepers were among the individuals and groups who forcibly entered the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

The seditious conspiracy indictment alleges that, following the Nov. 3, 2020, presidential election, Rhodes conspired with his co-defendants and others to oppose by force the execution of the laws governing the transfer of presidential power by Jan. 20, 2021. Beginning in late December 2020, via encrypted and private communications applications, Rhodes and various co-conspirators coordinated and planned to travel to Washington, D.C., on or around Jan. 6, 2021, the date of the certification of the electoral college vote, the indictment alleges. Rhodes and several co-conspirators made plans to bring weapons to the area to support the operation. The co-conspirators then traveled across the country to the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area in early January 2021.

According to the seditious conspiracy indictment, the defendants conspired through a variety of manners and means, including: organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force and to transport firearms and ammunition into Washington, D.C.; recruiting members and affiliates to participate in the conspiracy; organizing trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics; bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons and supplies – including knives, batons, camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with plates, helmets, eye protection and radio equipment – to the Capitol grounds; breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol grounds and building on Jan. 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the electoral college vote; using force against law enforcement officers while inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021; continuing to plot, after Jan. 6, 2021, to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power, and using websites, social media, text messaging and encrypted messaging applications to communicate with co-conspirators and others.

On Jan. 6, 2021, a large crowd began to gather outside the Capitol perimeter as the Joint Session of Congress got under way at 1 p.m. Crowd members eventually forced their way through, up and over U.S. Capitol Police barricades and advanced to the building’s exterior façade. Shortly after 2 p.m., crowd members forced entry into the Capitol by breaking windows, ramming open doors, and assaulting Capitol police and other law enforcement officers. At about this time, according to the indictment, Rhodes entered the restricted area of the Capitol grounds and directed his followers to meet him at the Capitol.

At approximately 2:30 p.m., as detailed in the indictment, Hackett, Harrelson, Meggs, Moerschel and Watkins, and other Oath Keepers and affiliates – many wearing paramilitary clothing and patches with the Oath Keepers name, logo, and insignia – marched in a “stack” formation up the east steps of the Capitol, joined a mob, and made their way into the Capitol. Later, another group of Oath Keepers and associates, including James, Minuta, and Ulrich, formed a second “stack” and breached the Capitol grounds, marching from the west side to the east side of the Capitol building and up the east stairs and into the building.

While certain Oath Keepers members and affiliates breached the Capitol grounds and building, others remained stationed just outside of the city in quick reaction force (QRF) teams. According to the indictment, the QRF teams were prepared to rapidly transport firearms and other weapons into Washington, D.C., in support of operations aimed at using force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power. The indictment alleges that the teams were coordinated, in part, by Caldwell and Vallejo.

The charge of seditious conspiracy carries a statutory maximum penalty of 20 years in prison. A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after considering the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

This case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and the Department of Justice National Security Division’s Counterterrorism Section. Valuable assistance was provided by U.S. Attorney’s Offices in the Northern District of Texas and the District of Arizona.

The case is being investigated by the FBI’s Washington Field Office with valuable assistance provided by the FBI’s Dallas and Phoenix Field Offices. These charges are the result of significant cooperation between agents and staff across numerous FBI Field Offices, including those in Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, Arizona, Alabama and Georgia, among other locations.

In the one year since Jan. 6, more than 725 individuals have been arrested in nearly all 50 states for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol, including over 225 individuals charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement. The investigation remains ongoing.

Anyone with tips can call 1-800-CALL-FBI (800-225-5324) or visit tips.fbi.gov.

An indictment is merely an allegation, and all defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

 

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and