All Things Deion/Colorado Discussion

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https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/deion-sanders-colorado-oregon-rcna117246

 

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The white commentariat still finds joy in tearing down a proud, cocky, successful Black man in a position of authority

Sept. 25, 2023, 3:05 PM CDT

By Dave Zirin, MSNBC Columnist

 

The University of Colorado Buffaloes, a 21-point underdog, lost to the Oregon Ducks 42-6 on Saturday. Normally, such a huge underdog losing by a big margin would not have raised anybody’s eyebrows.  But Colorado is coached by Deion Sanders whose team had started the season a very surprising 3-0. Even more surprising, however, is that this underdog's loss was celebrated across social media and by members of the media no less.

 

It is like the college football world was rooting for Goliath to crush David. Former ESPN commentator and former college quarterback Danny Kanell said, "People were exhausted with the over the top coverage of Deion. Every pregame speech aired ALL day on every ESPN show on loop. Over hyping average wins. That’s it." Oregon Coach Dan Lanning said in his pregame speech that the Ducks are interested in “wins not clicks.” (Both teams entered Saturday’s game undefeated.) There’s the viral tweet from Kari Steele, whose bio on X, formerly Twitter, says she is a journalist. During Saturday’s game, she posted, “Oregon is taking a stand for all of us.”

 

Who does that "us" refer to?  

The hatred is difficult to understand without just saying that the white commentariat still finds joy in tearing down a proud, cocky, successful Black man in a position of authority. Sanders, a two-time Super Bowl champion, an NFL Hall of Famer and the only athlete to ever play in a Super Bowl and a World Series, has always embodied his nickname Prime Time. He doesn’t do humble. Refusing to say, for propriety’s sake, that race and culture are central to this antipathy, makes the hate otherwise impossible to understand. 

After making the Jackson State Tigers a national story the previous three seasons, Sanders landed in Boulder, Colorado, and immediately revived a program that ranked 128th out of 131 teams and went 1-11 last year! He has also brought millions of new eyeballs to the sport, as seen by the record ratings for his team’s games. The Sept. 16 Colorado-Colorado State contest was the most streamed college football game in ESPN’s history. He is generating an absurd amount of money for Colorado.  Game tickets are selling for hundreds of dollars on the secondary market. He has, in the words of Colorado’s KGNU DJ Dave Ashton, “captured the imagination of the region. Something that usually only the Broncos can do. Not even the Nuggets winning the championship had this much of a ripple effect.” 

Also, Sanders is indirectly making people — including Lanning and Colorado State Coach Jay Norvell and all coaches sneering at his presence — wealthier.  He’s doing that by helping grow a sport that for years has been in a predictable rut. Season in and season out, the most successful teams come from the Southeastern Conference, with the occasional Big Ten powerhouse like Ohio State thrown in. College football has essentially been a regional sport with a capped number of fans. Then along comes Sanders turning college football into a national conversation and, yet, what he’s doing appears to be  bringing as much resentment as it is joy.

This is reminiscent of 1997 when Tiger Woods, who doesn’t have 1/100th of Sanders’ swag, came into the golf world and the immediate response from  some of his competitors was derision. Other golfers, though, saw early on that Woods would bring in countless new fans and make everybody a fortune. Now, 26 years later, Deion is getting that same treatment from people who won’t admit how good he is for the game. 

Why do they hate him? One reason, of course, is that being a football coach at the college level is still seen as a white man’s job. But that’s not all. It is also seen as a job in which you’re expected to act as if you’re about to storm the beaches of Normandy before every game. 

Sanders is making the sport fun, and that is as offensive to some college football purists as his much-remarked-upon sunglasses. They also cannot stand that instead of complaining about the new rules regarding name, image and likeness for players and the insta transfer portal — which former Auburn Coach, Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala., has proposed legislation to change the rules — Sanders is using those rules to his advantage. 

Like Tiger, or like the Williams sisters in tennis, Sanders has arrived in a traditionally white space, and he is better at his job than the wannabe General Pattons grumbling to the media thought he would be. “People around the country will say this is what they needed to humble themselves," Sanders said after his team's loss Saturday. "We weren’t arrogant. We’re confident people. Our confidence offends their insecurity.”

In the end, they simply cannot stand that for the 2023 college football season, it is Sanders’ world and they are just living in it. But their grousing is a bad look, especially in a sport in which the most exciting moments are routinely the result of the unpaid labor of Black athletes.

These coaches should be thanking Prime Time instead of tearing him down. But that would require humility, something these head coaches believe only Sanders lacks.

 

 

[WillMunny 1,384]

12 minutes ago, AUght2win said:

You always confuse people so I won’t even waste time correcting what you incorrectly attributed to me about Bo. 

But regardless, no, not “anybody with half a brain” sees that Deion will be successful at Colorado. He’s a brand new coach with very little experience.

If your goal posts are him making Colorado “better”, he’s already done that. They were 1-11 last year. Nobody is disputing that he’s taken them from the absolute worst and made some progress. He has and should be commended for it.

But a poster in this thread literally said they’re scared he’s the next Nick Saban. Finebaum talking about him succeeding Nick at Alabama. People saying he’s building the U from the 80’s. 

Based. On. What?????

I said I'm scared he's the next Nick Saban (at Alabama) because I really am.  But 6 months ago I was very doubtful that he would succeed even as far as he has.  So I don't really know anything.  I'm just a fan posting on a fan forum.

But Deion has been impressive.  He's going to be a magnet for good recruits and coaches, and he was the best player ever at his playing position, so he knows football. 

I think he did the right thing for himself by moving to Colorado instead of jumping to the SEC.  Nowhere to go but up, and free from the unreal expectations of the SEC.  Start small and build momentum.  After 3 years at Colorado he may be coming to an SEC school.

[cole256 17,084]

18 minutes ago, AUght2win said:

You always confuse people so I won’t even waste time correcting what you incorrectly attributed to me about Bo. 

But regardless, no, not “anybody with half a brain” sees that Deion will be successful at Colorado. He’s a brand new coach with very little experience.

If your goal posts are him making Colorado “better”, he’s already done that. They were 1-11 last year. Nobody is disputing that he’s taken them from the absolute worst and made some progress. He has and should be commended for it.

But a poster in this thread literally said they’re scared he’s the next Nick Saban. Finebaum talking about him succeeding Nick at Alabama. People saying he’s building the U from the 80’s. 

Based. On. What?????

Well the poster you quoted didn't say anything about saban he was talking about getting better like we all were. So when you quote me that's literally what I'm talking about getting better. He will be successful but that's not what I said, you said that. But you usually get stuffed mixed up. 

It's no secret I wanted Sanders as our coach, but I was cool with freeze, I didn't want kitten and the other people, but if for some reason I didn't like freeze and everybody we played and beat I said were trash and the only way I'd admit that he's doing a good job is beat uga and win a title knowing how bad we are.....that's me just being a Dick. 

[AUght2win 6,881]

4 minutes ago, cole256 said:

Well the poster you quoted didn't say anything about saban he was talking about getting better like we all were. So when you quote me that's literally what I'm talking about getting better. He will be successful but that's not what I said, you said that. But you usually get stuffed mixed up. 

It's no secret I wanted Sanders as our coach, but I was cool with freeze, I didn't want kitten and the other people, but if for some reason I didn't like freeze and everybody we played and beat I said were trash and the only way I'd admit that he's doing a good job is beat uga and win a title knowing how bad we are.....that's me just being a Dick. 

You actually raise a great point though. Our start and Colorado’s start are very similar. But not a single soul here was saying Freeze had done a good job after his 3-0 start. Nobody was acting like we are supposed to be feared. Nobody has said Freeze is the next Saban.

Because there’s no sign of that right now. Look how Colorado has handled their trash 3-0 start vs. our trash 3-0 start. Deion may be awesome one day but today’s not that day. Tired of hearing about them. They need to prove something before “reading receipts” and declaring themselves the next dynasty. Just like we need to.

And for everybody talking about “wait until _____ year”, CU is currently 63rd in recruiting for 2024. Two four stars. I thought he was supposed to be bringing in the #1 undisputed class from here on out.

[Randman5000 4,234]

3 hours ago, AUght2win said:

Why, Rand? What makes you think Deion is going to close the gap and surpass Lanning’s Oregon team? What has Deion done to generate this type of fear from people, aside from nonstop talk?

He's been successful in the past, granted he was against lower level competition. He's a heck of a coach and leader and recruiter. Kids want to play for him. Travis Hunter chose JSU over FSU to play for him. Now that he's at a place like Colorado, he's going to start pulling in others and bigger recruits. It's an easier sell. He's going to fill the holes and weaknesses. 

Edited September 27, 2023 by Randman5000

[cole256 17,084]

Just another reason I like Sanders, he has another 5 star corner. The corner won't show up on time consistently, he want watch film, Sanders playing the biggest game he's had so far, minus his best overall player (who also plays corner mind you) and what does Sanders do?? Sit his ass down. 

But this is from the coach who's selfish, thug, ghetto, blah blah blah

His son showed up 3 minutes late last year for a bowl game (the only game they lost btw) what did Sanders do? Sit his ass down. You see there's no treating a certain guy better just because (most common way coaches lose teams; literally what happened to before he us.....)

He'd rather deal with all the haters praying for his downfall before he cheats his players. I'm trying to think of examples of the other coaches that put their money where their mouth is like that 🤔

[WillMunny 1,384]

11 hours ago, cole256 said:

Just another reason I like Sanders, he has another 5 star corner. The corner won't show up on time consistently, he want watch film, Sanders playing the biggest game he's had so far, minus his best overall player (who also plays corner mind you) and what does Sanders do?? Sit his ass down. 

But this is from the coach who's selfish, thug, ghetto, blah blah blah

His son showed up 3 minutes late last year for a bowl game (the only game they lost btw) what did Sanders do? Sit his ass down. You see there's no treating a certain guy better just because (most common way coaches lose teams; literally what happened to before he us.....)

He'd rather deal with all the haters praying for his downfall before he cheats his players. I'm trying to think of examples of the other coaches that put their money where their mouth is like that 🤔

That was my biggest doubt about Deion a few months ago - could he be tough on his players?  Even the good ones?

Didn't know he sat his son last year for a bowl game for being late.  Bear Bryant dealt with Ken Stabler and Joe Namath in similar fashion.  Few modern coaches exhibit such throwback values.

Urban Meyer famously let all manner of troublemakers play on his teams.  From Aaron Hernandez and all his troubles (even before the NFL), to Percy Harvin physically assaulting an assistant coach during game week and still starting at WR the following Saturday, Meyer was only concerned about himself and winning.

[WillMunny 1,384]

I remember when Deion played in the NFL and MLB.  He faced the same backlash he has at Colorado.  They said he was too flashy, disrespectful of those who came before him; immature kid should just shut up and play and be humble.  "NFL Primetime" (the old ESPN show with Chris Berman and Tom Jackson) used to make fun of him by showing his mistakes more than his good plays. 

That is, until he walked the walk on the field better than he talked off it (and he talked a lot off the field).  He backed it up.  Just like my favorite player Larry Bird.  I couldn't admire Bird's trash talking, and then dislike Deion for his.  Especially since he played for my Atlanta Braves.

Ronald Acuna Jr. is a modern example of this.  His style is not one that I would emulate, but people should stop complaining about his bat-flipping until they can stop the reason he's flipping the bat.  And he should probably tone it down a bit, in my opinion.  I'm old.

Overreaction to Deion goes both ways.  Some people have overreacted to his style, and others have overreacted to some of his critics.  I'm not referring to anyone on this forum or thread.  I'm just saying that not all his critics are racists.  His style is a radical departure from the standard model, and it will take time for it to be accepted.  Just like in his playing days.  Although some of his critics are racist, disliking his style is not automatically akin to racism.

[Gowebb11 9,417]

All I know is Shiloh and Shedeur went very public about the ‘unprofessionalism” of the Nebraska coaches a couple of weeks ago. Made a huge deal of their perceived disrespectful behavior. Then Shiloh trash talks the Ducks while his teammates are raking the Oregon logo with their cleats. Then proceeded to get the dog crap kicked out of them by an Oregon team who took it all very personal. I’m not a fan of trash talk, but I know it happens and that’s okay. Just don’t be a hypocrite and complain about the opponent not having class one week, then be classless the next week and not expect to be called out for it. 

[cbo 7,949]

[imaolgatiger 523]

I hope Meon gets boat raced in every game! The way his team acted before the Oregon game was pathetic, but that’s how he has always been! Great player and possibly a great coach, but he and his team should behave better than that!

[AU-24 3,113]

On 9/27/2023 at 5:35 AM, AUght2win said:

You always confuse people so I won’t even waste time correcting what you incorrectly attributed to me about Bo. 

But regardless, no, not “anybody with half a brain” sees that Deion will be successful at Colorado. He’s a brand new coach with very little experience.

If your goal posts are him making Colorado “better”, he’s already done that. They were 1-11 last year. Nobody is disputing that he’s taken them from the absolute worst and made some progress. He has and should be commended for it.

But a poster in this thread literally said they’re scared he’s the next Nick Saban. Finebaum talking about him succeeding Nick at Alabama. People saying he’s building the U from the 80’s. 

Based. On. What?????

Finally, some common sense added to the thread. Thank you!

With all of the media attention, one college coach could possibly hope for, Coach prime and Colorado currently ranked number 75 for the 2024 recruiting class.

Edited September 29, 2023 by AU-24

[AU-24 3,113]

On 9/28/2023 at 5:26 AM, Gowebb11 said:

All I know is Shiloh and Shedeur went very public about the ‘unprofessionalism” of the Nebraska coaches a couple of weeks ago. Made a huge deal of their perceived disrespectful behavior. Then Shiloh trash talks the Ducks while his teammates are raking the Oregon logo with their cleats. Then proceeded to get the dog crap kicked out of them by an Oregon team who took it all very personal. I’m not a fan of trash talk, but I know it happens and that’s okay. Just don’t be a hypocrite and complain about the opponent not having class one week, then be classless the next week and not expect to be called out for it. 

And what was the “unprofessional” thing Nebraska was doing at midfield? They were praying for those players that believe in prayer. The Nebraska coach said after the game we meet at midfield and pray every week!

Prime claimed to be this Christian man, the follows TJ Jakes ministry, wants to change young mens lives for the better etc.. Obviously, that is just not the case.

[cole256 17,084]

The guy wasn't kicking up the grass they were literally talking about is the turf real or not but it just goes to show if you want a reason to hate you'll find it. Nobody on here having ANYTHING to say about disrespect had a problem when the people are aiming the disrespect at Sanders.....but now in the thread oh it was so wrong for someone to talk smack to Oregon.....I LOVE what this is pulling out of people

[WillMunny 1,384]

Deion detractors are about to get some relief - a few more losses for Colorado.  And Deion will get a chance to show what he can do under the adversity of losing.  FWIW, he's always come out on top in that battle.  Eventually.

Presently, both supporters and detractors can find what they want in this story.  Deion has definitely overachieved, but a case could be made that Colorado should be 1-3 right now.

I don't know what to think.  But I'll be glued to the TV when they play.

If losing does indeed set in for Colorado this year, as predicted, I wonder if the media will continue to give Colorado max press coverage.  They deserve it now, but what if they go on a losing streak?  Would the media dump them like they would any other sub-.500 team, if they reach that level?

I have my popcorn maker ready for tomorrow.

[Gowebb11 9,417]

1 hour ago, cole256 said:

The guy wasn't kicking up the grass they were literally talking about is the turf real or not but it just goes to show if you want a reason to hate you'll find it. Nobody on here having ANYTHING to say about disrespect had a problem when the people are aiming the disrespect at Sanders.....but now in the thread oh it was so wrong for someone to talk smack to Oregon.....I LOVE what this is pulling out of people

If you’re addressing my post I didn’t call their smack talk of Oregon wrong. I called them hypocrites for whining about the disrespect of the Nebraska coaches then cursing out opposing players right before they got boat raced. And what athlete has to test turf to see if it real or not and can only do that test on the opposing teams logo? That’s ridiculous. FWIW, I haven’t disrespected DS but I’m not worshiping at the altar either. He was a fabulous athlete and I’m happy he’s doing well at CU. One of my kids graduated from there and I’m happy for their success. 

Edited September 30, 2023 by Gowebb11

[GTNupe11 2,038]

12 hours ago, WillMunny said:

 

If losing does indeed set in for Colorado this year, as predicted, I wonder if the media will continue to give Colorado max press coverage.  They deserve it now, but what if they go on a losing streak?  Would the media dump them like they would any other sub-.500 team, if they reach that level?

I have my popcorn maker ready for tomorrow.

No because he's Deion Sanders and that is what makes people so upset. They'll get attention whether they win or lose. Can't say the same for other schools. No one really cares (media mostly) when many other schools are winning or losing. Just is what it is. And people complaining about someone or a school getting attention even in defeat is pretty sad. 

[DAG 34,033]

Still think Colorado will be bowl eligible which is a major improvement. Clearly lack the depth of talent to complete with top tier teams .

[AUght2win 6,881]

10 minutes ago, DAG said:

Still think Colorado will be bowl eligible which is a major improvement. Clearly lack the depth of talent to complete with top tier teams .

Gonna be a real crapshoot. 

[gr82be 14,495]

It is possible for people to actually like Deion and pull for him but not like some of the things he says and that's not wrong. My all time favorite tennis player is John McEnroe and he acted like a spoiled brat for at least half of his career. He also had integrity and respect for his opponent, just not big on the umpires and line judges 😂. I think Deion does as well. I loved watching Prime play and will follow him coaching too. 

[cole256 17,084]

17 hours ago, Gowebb11 said:

If you’re addressing my post I didn’t call their smack talk of Oregon wrong. I called them hypocrites for whining about the disrespect of the Nebraska coaches then cursing out opposing players right before they got boat raced. And what athlete has to test turf to see if it real or not and can only do that test on the opposing teams logo? That’s ridiculous. FWIW, I haven’t disrespected DS but I’m not worshiping at the altar either. He was a fabulous athlete and I’m happy he’s doing well at CU. One of my kids graduated from there and I’m happy for their success. 

No I wasn't but if you want to talk we can but if you not paying attention one way or the other I GUARANTEE you won't get the entire story unless you do the homework and the stuff you are saying is because you didn't get the entire story. The unedited video is clear as day that's literally what the guy was talking about then he points at their scoreboard and talks and how awesome their stadium is......But since you want to feel the way you feel you said that's ridiculous. You don't know what the guys said to each other BEFORE on social media so the way you want to see it is he just randomly walked out and cursed some guys out he doesn't know.

 

But I don't want to argue about it, if you don't want to believe the truth of it don't and feel the way you feel. Cool

[e808 3,028]

When Shadeur has some time he at least takes advantage of the opportunities . A lot of blame on Auburn oline but no one has taken more hits than him and he still stands in there and make plays 

Edited September 30, 2023 by e808

[Gowebb11 9,417]

25 minutes ago, cole256 said:

No I wasn't but if you want to talk we can but if you not paying attention one way or the other I GUARANTEE you won't get the entire story unless you do the homework and the stuff you are saying is because you didn't get the entire story. The unedited video is clear as day that's literally what the guy was talking about then he points at their scoreboard and talks and how awesome their stadium is......But since you want to feel the way you feel you said that's ridiculous. You don't know what the guys said to each other BEFORE on social media so the way you want to see it is he just randomly walked out and cursed some guys out he doesn't know.

 

But I don't want to argue about it, if you don't want to believe the truth of it don't and feel the way you feel. Cool

I believe the truth, but I also believe two things can be true at the same time. You can have huge respect for a coach or athlete and love everything about them. I happen to feel that way about DS. You can also criticize them (or their son) for a particular action. I don’t know what was said on social media or how some video might have been edited. I know I heard Shiloh be crude and cursing out an opponent. Not classy in my opinion and hypocritical after calling out the Nebraska coaches. Not my jam and if an AU athlete does the same thing I’ll feel the same way. But we agree no need to argue about it. 

[cole256 17,084]

2 hours ago, Gowebb11 said:

I believe the truth, but I also believe two things can be true at the same time. You can have huge respect for a coach or athlete and love everything about them. I happen to feel that way about DS. You can also criticize them (or their son) for a particular action. I don’t know what was said on social media or how some video might have been edited. I know I heard Shiloh be crude and cursing out an opponent. Not classy in my opinion and hypocritical after calling out the Nebraska coaches. Not my jam and if an AU athlete does the same thing I’ll feel the same way. But we agree no need to argue about it. 

Did you hear Shiloh criticizing Nebraska coaches? And what would cursing out a guy who is saying the most disrespectful stuff about you and your family have to do with criticizing a coach, in the first place. And if we be completely honest they were mad about what the Nebraska coach had to say about their dad. Which is the most understandable thing out of every single thing said on here. 

But that was my entire point you don't know what was said and you don't know the truth about that video. Also something I guarantee is whoever in your mind is the most classiest player or coach has certainly cursed someone out on the field. But like I said I'm not trying to change what you feel or think, I'm just pointing out the reasons you say you feel the way you feel isn't completely accurate nothing more or nothing less. You can't believe the truth if you don't even know the truth. I don't feel like this was an argument

Edited September 30, 2023 by cole256

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On 9/26/2023 at 4:06 PM, cole256 said:

Well the poster you quoted didn't say anything about saban he was talking about getting better like we all were. So when you quote me that's literally what I'm talking about getting better. He will be successful but that's not what I said, you said that. But you usually get stuffed mixed up. 

It's no secret I wanted Sanders as our coach, but I was cool with freeze, I didn't want kitten and the other people, but if for some reason I didn't like freeze and everybody we played and beat I said were trash and the only way I'd admit that he's doing a good job is beat uga and win a title knowing how bad we are.....that's me just being a Dick. 

@cole256everytime I see you refer to that other coach as kitten makes me laugh, that has to be the best one yet...LMAO

I'm a Sanders fan also, I just like the enthusiasm and excitement he brings to a program. I also think he will continue to be able to recruit and get decent players, but time will tell how well he will do. I just like all the attention he brings to a program and the school. Lets not forget CU is no world beater when it comes to football, maybe he will get them in the playoffs and maybe not but to be considered a success in CU is worlds different than it would be at AU. If he makes CU competitive and goes to bowl games, well he may not be satisfied with that but in CU football world that would be the best they have seen in like 2 decades, lol.