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[CleCoTiger 1,957]

40 minutes ago, 1716AU said:

Gotta say, you really miss the mark. BADLY. I know you are thinking academically, but when it comes to athletics and drawing as many apps as they can, those schools throw down.

 

I responded to the post. The post said "But look up some articles on what Bama and Clemsons (and other top programs) recent football success had done the elevate the University brand on a national scale. There is not a more powerful marketing tool for a school."  I didn't miss any marks. I responded to what was written.

As far as AU needing marketing, nah, I don't think so. AU has competed in recruiting at a historically high level since Malzahn's arrival. Down year this year? Yup. Regular year? Nope. And as far as the university brand on a national scale...having the CEO of Apple being an AU grad doesn't hurt. AU draws far more applications from good students than it can accept. It used to be that getting into AU was pretty easy. Now? Not so much. They're getting pretty selective.  Have you seen the average incoming freshman's ACT, SAT and GPA lately?

 

 

[ShocksMyBrain 9,364]

48 minutes ago, auburnphan said:

I don’t think being a sleaze is a job disqualifier in the South any more, just saying.

Kiffin and Orgeron agree with you. 

[Tiger 8,823]

3 minutes ago, Barnacle said:

There are legitimate concerns with High Freeze's character that need to be vetted. I'd want to know whether his relationship with his wife and kids has actually been repaired, or of he's paying lip service.

That said, Freeze is a baller of a recruiter, and a damn good coach. I think he instantly makes us more competitive. 

I dunno man this part in particular feels like it's none of our business

There's a line with the vetting and IMO that's over it 

[USATiger 741]

10 hours ago, WalkingCarpet said:

Let's take bets.

Garnett is the QB, Shed Jackson, Ja'Varrius Johnson, and Kobe Hudson are the receivers. 

Yeah it doesn't take an insider, no offense to JBoy, to know the NCAA will need to upgrade server capacity for the transfer portal.  

[Barnacle 9,064]

3 minutes ago, Tiger said:

I dunno man this part in particular feels like it's none of our business

It's none of the public's business. None of mine, certainty.

But, if I'm Auburn, I would absolutely want to know the answer to that question before I hired him. 

[oracle79 3,569]

4 minutes ago, CleCoTiger said:

Have you seen the average incoming freshman's ACT, SAT and GPA lately?

Grade inflation. Happens everywhere. High school isn't what it used to be, trust me. ACT/SAT are less and less regarded, and they need money (i.e. students  taking tests) to survive. You think bad scores make students want to take those tests?

[ellitor 33,092]

7 minutes ago, Viper said:

After 3 years probation, a 2-year postseason ban, scholarships reduced over a 4-year period and 33 wins vacated, I would say so.

He just forgot to keep it on the down home, cuz.

Freeze to the Southwest Conference -> Hold my beer

 

As I've I already said he wouldn't have to go to the same lengths himself to get the talent at AU. Besides chances are Petrino tried the same tactics at Arky &* was nowhere near as successful getting talent. Hence Freeze the better recruiter.

[AuCivilEng1 11,004]

8 minutes ago, ellitor said:

And my response is the same as it was before. How can you look at the work he did at Ole Miss know they basically have crap resources compared to AU & not see that's elite work? I can understand not wanting him because he may be a sleaze but to not be very impressed with his on field work is ludicrous & seems like a disingenous excuse. I don't think Saban could have done that googdcoming from Kent State before he had the great rep he has now.

I am impressed with what he did at Ole Miss. Slightly. But coaches over perform all the time with crappy resources. That doesn’t make them elite coaches. It just makes them good at finding ways to overachieve. It doesn’t necessarily always translate to being able to turn a largely mediocre program into a constant juggernaut like Dabo has at Clemson. 
 

And yea he’s sleazy, but if you knew me you’d know that I’m 100% in favor of hiring a sleeze if I thought that sleeze would turn Auburn into a natty winning machine. I don’t care one bit about the escort. Live and let live. What I care about is the NCAA violation background and the fact that it puts Auburn under a microscope so we wouldn’t even be able to pull off the mild rule breaking we do that allows us to go 8-5 every year and stay somewhat relevant while being surrounded by the recruiting machines in out conference. 
 

I also recognize that any prediction of success that Freeze may have is a prediction. It’s not set in stone that he will be good or bad. So I’m not understanding the “what are you stupid, do you not know what Freeze is capable of” argument. 

[SocialCircle 570]

12 hours ago, BurtonJ20 said:

If you can’t see that Gus is controlling the options available from the Morris playbook I can’t help you. 

Keep living under the delusion that Gus is a great play caller.  The rules changed and Gus did NOTHING to adapt. 

Gus looked really awesome as the play caller last year didn’t he?  He was smashing records left and right  

 

Spin it any way you want but there is no doubt Morris called the So Carolina game and we would have won had Gus called that game. 

[BigBlueWDE 1,136]

I want to like Cristobal, but he has lost twice this year even though he had the most talent in the PAC12 and he looked lost a couple of times at critical points in the game against us last year. What is the obsession outside of recruiting?

[SocialCircle 570]

12 hours ago, nixtosanders94 said:

@BurtonJ20 you may as well go smash your head against some brick walls instead of arguing with this guy.  He is full on head up Gus's rear end and if he can't see the writing on the wall now he never will. 

Do you think we beat South Carolina with Gus calling the plays? The clear answer is yes. That is all I’m saying. Nothing more and nothing less.

[AuCivilEng1 11,004]

1 minute ago, BigBlueWDE said:

I want to like Cristobal, but he has lost twice this year even though he had the most talent in the PAC12 and he looked lost a couple of times at critical points in the game against us last year. What is the obsession outside of recruiting?

He’s a total hunk, duh. Don’t you wanna see that manly mug on Auburn schedule posters for the next 10 years?! Lol

[Viper 3,132]

2 minutes ago, Barnacle said:

But, if I'm Auburn, I would absolute want to know the answer to that question before I hired him.

Agreed, however, out of three of the absolute worst acts you can commit as a HC...

1. Allowing a Penn State/LSU sex scandal to run rampant in your program and not nip it in the bud.

2. Major multiple season recruiting infractions levied on your program.

3. Caught cheating on your wife.

...Freeze successfully accomplished TWO of the three in just five seasons at ONE program.

If I'm Auburn, he's a no-taker.

[fredst 9,064]

13 minutes ago, Barnacle said:

That said, Freeze is a baller of a recruiter, and a damn good coach. I think he instantly makes us more competitive. 

The dude coached (but lost) a game from the booth in a hospital bed. That’s got to count for something....

[AuCivilEng1 11,004]

4 minutes ago, BigBlueWDE said:

I want to like Cristobal, but he has lost twice this year even though he had the most talent in the PAC12 and he looked lost a couple of times at critical points in the game against us last year. What is the obsession outside of recruiting?

Also the prospect that that other guy will come with him. Look at that Moostache! Look at it!!

[ellitor 33,092]

3 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

what are you stupid, do you not know what Freeze is capable of” argument. 

Not sure if Meta called you Stupid. That post was TLDR. I'm not calling nor implying you're stupid. Just seemed disingenous (but I may be wrong) especially since in today's college football we need the edge of a QB developer since we aren't going to outrecruit Bama & UGA for a while & Freeze is a proven QB developer.

[nixtosanders94 2,180]

3 minutes ago, BigBlueWDE said:

I want to like Cristobal, but he has lost twice this year even though he had the most talent in the PAC12 and he looked lost a couple of times at critical points in the game against us last year. What is the obsession outside of recruiting?

Fans like different coaches for different reasons.  There is no perfect coach or perfect hire.  Truthfully its a crap shoot no matter who we hire.  No guarantees except that if we keep the current coach we will be 8-5 consistently.  

As for Cristobal specifically I think people feel like he can recruit and run a solid program.  I'm a Neal Brown fan but he has lost some bad games at WVU too.  You just don't know if you're hiring a Gus or a Dabo until they coach a few years by which time if you hired a Gus its too late because you gave him a 49 million dollar contract. 

[AUApostle 7,651]

2 hours ago, GwillMac6 said:

Sark has that bama OC glow about him. Every bama OC looks great. It's the players not him. 

I don’t get the Sark love at all.  Very pedestrian when he was last given the chance, then imploded.  A good offensive mind who looks brilliant with awesome players...not sure that’s enough.

[SocialCircle 570]

12 hours ago, BurtonJ20 said:

That great Gus offense was 64th in total yards last year BTW. 
High Octane stuff. 
He’s ELITE. 

Why put words in my mouth? I’m just saying Gus would have run the back in Columbia and thus we wouldn’t have the ints. and that loss. If you can’t see that you are blinded by your emotions.

[Viper 3,132]

8 minutes ago, ellitor said:

As I've I already said he wouldn't have to go to the same lengths himself to get the talent at AU. Besides chances are Petrino tried the same tactics at Arky &* was nowhere near as successful getting talent. Hence Freeze the better recruiter.

I'm sure he wouldn't have to go to the same lengths himself to get the talent at AU. He'll never get that chance...not at AU.

[ellitor 33,092]

6 minutes ago, BigBlueWDE said:

What is the obsession outside of recruiting?

That's the obsession since we are getting our ass handed to us there, specifically on the OL where MC is great.

[AuCivilEng1 11,004]

Just now, ellitor said:

Not sure if Meta called you Stupid. That post was TLDR. I'm not calling nor implying you're stupid. Just seemed disingenous (but I may be wrong) especially since in today's college football we need the edge of a QB developer since we aren't going to outrecruit Bama & UGA for a while & Freeze is a proven QB developer.

It’s just the tone of the responses. Like “how can you not know that Hugh Freeze is elite?!” Like I said man, I don’t know if the guy will be a great coach or not. All I can go off of is his body of work, which while being impressive, doesn’t necessarily mean it will translate to what Auburn fans are looking for these days. But that could be said about any coach other than Saban and Dabo. I just have this image of all of us calling him a high school hack and calling for his head as we get waxed by Georgia in Athens over and over again. May be visor ptsd. 

[Viper 3,132]

13 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

What I care about is the NCAA violation background and the fact that it puts Auburn under a microscope so we wouldn’t even be able to pull off the mild rule breaking we do that allows us to go 8-5 every year and stay somewhat relevant while being surrounded by the recruiting machines in out conference.

[ellitor 33,092]

2 minutes ago, Viper said:

I'm sure he wouldn't have to go to the same lengths himself to get the talent at AU. He'll never get that chance...not at AU.

@Viper& he won't have to. We have resources just like every tier 1 & 2 school that will do it for him like every Tier 1 & 2 friends of the program are doing it for their schools now.

[metafour 4,969]

38 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

Oh we are name calling over a debate about Hugh Freeze. Roger that. You can’t assume something based on context, dickhead. You’re assuming that he’s an elite coach because he’s been successful at Ole Miss. Ok. Bobby Petrino was successful at Arkansas. So does that qualify Petrino as an “elite” head coach? How about Scott Frost? He beat one of our best teams that Malzahn could muster together with UCF. Surely he’s elite. Wonder how he would do at a blue blood school like Nebraska. Tom Herman had Houston humming. Hottest name in coaching searches! You put him at a school with the most resources in college football like Texas,  he will certainly be successful, right? Because he’s elite! You’d have to be to be good at Houston. Same goes for Sumlin. 

Your examples are dumb.

Freeze has proven it in THIS conference. In THIS division. OVER MULTIPLE SEASONS. Bobby Petrino WAS legitimately a top coach at this level, hence the NFL gig. Yeah, he fell apart really quickly and lost it. It happens. Scott Frost had ONE successful season at UCF - he wasn't giving Saban a run for his money at a bottom tier program like Ole Miss. Tom Herman? Same exact thing - TWO seasons at a midmajor. Again, Freeze has SEC West performance - over multiple years of successive improvement. I find it interesting how you don't want to bring up Dan Mullen as an example? Why is that?

The man literally has Liberty playing with - and beating - legitimate P5 teams. Liberty is a school that just freaking made FBS in 2017.

Freeze is a hell of a coach and at a program like Auburn he could field the talent required to compete with the best. The only question mark he has is off-field bull****. If you want to use that as a reasoning for why we shouldn't take him, it is absolutely legitimate. If your argument is that he doesn't have a legitimately impressive resume at a bunch of bottom-dweller programs, then you don't understand football.