America Is Under Attack and the President Doesn't Care

[homersapien 11,373]

9 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

What would you suggest President Trump do with Russia Brother Homer? I do like like the peace through strength attitude he portrays. Do bother posting numerous BS articles regarding our service people being anti-Trump.

you have wasted to much time on this Russia/Trump non-sense. PT, Nola, Jap, me of course, beginning to get a little concerned about your obsession.     

I would suggest that Trump set aside what he perceives to be a threat to his personal legitimacy and act in the interest of the country by addressing their interference as a general threat to our system, which it is.

And don't worry about me wasting my time - I have the time to waste.  You, on the other hand are free to conserve your time by ignoring my posts as you see fit.

You - and your posse's - denial is fascinating.  If Obama had behaved this way, ya'll would be marching on the white house with torches and a rope.  You know that's true.

 

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2 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

And yet Trump is smitten with Putin. All  it took for Russia to own Trump was flattery.

Owning the Clintons just took money.....cough cough         Donations

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

19 minutes ago, WDavE said:

Owning the Clintons just took money.....cough cough         Donations

This could be said about every politician on Capitol Hill over the last 30+ years.

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

I would suggest that Trump set aside what he perceives to be a threat to his personal legitimacy and act in the interest of the country by addressing their interference as a general threat to our system, which it is.

And don't worry about me wasting my time - I have the time to waste.  You, on the other hand are free to conserve your time by ignoring my posts as you see fit.

You - and your posse's - denial is fascinating.  If Obama had behaved this way, ya'll would be marching on the white house with torches and a rope.  You know that's true.

 

You're still not getting to the root of Salty's question. What do you mean by "addressing their interference as a general threat to our system" ? Would that solve the issue?

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

14 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

The time Trump defrauded college students:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/31/522199535/judge-approves-25-million-settlement-of-trump-university-lawsuit

Trump defrauding workers on his casinos:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

And Trump’s business failures:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/donald-trumps-13-biggest-business-failures-20160314

But keep telling yourself he is great. You can live a delusion if you want. No skin off my nose. Trump is a poor man’s idea of a rich man, a stupid man’s idea of a smart man, and a weak man’s idea of a strong man. 

None of that has to do with his successes. Risky ventures inevitably fail sometimes. That's an inherent feature in ventures of the magnitude which he partook numerous times.. Has he been criminally prosecuted for fraud? 

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

1 hour ago, Brad_ATX said:

This could be said about every politician on Capitol Hill over the last 30+ years.

It's valid though. 

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

4 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

and keeping non-white foreigners out. 

Illegal** foreigners. 

[homersapien 11,373]

4 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said:

You're still not getting to the root of Salty's question. What do you mean by "addressing their interference as a general threat to our system" ? Would that solve the issue?

This is not complicated.  

1. Russia is interferring in our elections in a nefarious way with the intent to influence the outcome to their advantage and/or to create general discord in our body politic.
2. Having a hostile foreign power do that is a direct threat to our democratic process and to a stabile political process.
3. Ignoring such interference instead of retaliating only encourages more interference.

That is the truth (or"root") of the situation. 

I'll leave it to Salty to explain exactly what he doesn't understand about it.

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

You - and your posse's - denial is fascinating.  If Obama had behaved this way, ya'll would be marching on the white house with torches and a rope.  You know that's true.

Of course, because us republicans are all just a bunch of white supremacy racists, right?

Denial of what?

Also, if Obama was so concerned with Russia, why did he allow them such a financial steak in US uranium production? Oh let me guess, must've been prior to his suspicion.  

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

9 minutes ago, homersapien said:

This is not complicated.  

1. Russia is interferring in our elections in a nefarious way with the intent to influence the outcome to their advantage and/or to create general discord in our body politic.
2. Having a hostile foreign power do that is a direct threat to our democratic process and to a stabile political process.
3. Ignoring such interference instead of retaliating only encourages more interference.

That is the truth (or"root") of the situation. 

I'll leave it to Salty to explain exactly what he doesn't understand about it.

How is the Trump admin ignoring the threat? Are you saying you want him to team up with Mueller? Or delegate more authority to the NSA????

[homersapien 11,373]

9 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said:

Of course, because us republicans are all just a bunch of white supremacy racists, right?

Denial of what?

Also, if Obama was so concerned with Russia, why did he allow them such a financial steak in US uranium production? Oh let me guess, must've been prior to his suspicion.  

Don't know about all of you, but a great many of you bear a totally irrational hatred of Obama.  I can't help but think there's not an element of racism in there somewhere.  (Consider that pictures of Obama dressed as a witch doctor were on sale at a recent CPAC.) 

Certainly there is a double standard and a lot of hypocrisy.

(And pulueeze, the uranium "issue" has been beaten to death.   You need to find a better diversionary topic. But like I said,  bringing up Obama in the context of Trump's actions is diversionary.)

[homersapien 11,373]

15 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said:

How is the Trump admin ignoring the threat? Are you saying you want him to team up with Mueller? Or delegate more authority to the NSA????

Trump has consistently denied or prevaricated about Russian involvement, contradicting what every defense and intellegence agency in the government has said.

You know this.  Why make such a clueless post?   Search 'Trump denial of Russian interference' for examples.

And he doesn't need to "delegate more authority" to the NSA.  He needs to simply tell them to respond in a way Putin will understand.  Such a direct order to "attack" another country is the president's responsibility.  It's not something that should be delegated. 

[SaltyTiger 7,806]

3 hours ago, homersapien said:

I would suggest that Trump set aside what he perceives to be a threat to his personal legitimacy and act in the interest of the country by addressing their interference as a general threat to our system, which it is.

And don't worry about me wasting my time - I have the time to waste.  You, on the other hand are free to conserve your time by ignoring my posts as you see fit.

You - and your posse's - denial is fascinating.  If Obama had behaved this way, ya'll would be marching on the white house with torches and a rope.  You know that's true.

 

You forgot to say that we would be wearing white hoods Brother Homer...............amazing

[homersapien 11,373]

17 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

You forgot to say that we would be wearing white hoods Brother Homer...............amazing

No, not amazing at all.

You are the one bringing up race, not me.  I was actually thinking more of peasants marching on Frankenstein's castle. 

Perhaps you are overly-tuned to the relatively passive racism so common to today's "conservatism.

 

Many, however, think that the Republican Party and its supporters, particularly media personalities such as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, have used race most frequently and in the most inflammatory manner to frame their opposition to and displeasure with the president.

"I don't think anybody has used the symbols of race and racism to criticize this president more than the individuals on the right," said D'Linell Finley, a political science professor at Auburn University at Montgomery. "Listen to the radio, look at the signs and listen to their individual words. It comes through both in a subtle and not-so-subtle manner."

The not-so-subtle incidents are numerous:

• Last October, John McCain's campaign ousted a Buchanan County, Va., McCain campaign official, Bobby May, for writing a newspaper column that said that if Obama were elected he'd hire rapper Ludacris to paint the White House black and change the national anthem to the "Negro National Anthem" by James Weldon Johnson.
• Diane Fedele, who was then the president of a Republican women's club in San Bernardino County, Calif., resigned last October after she sent out a newsletter with a drawing of Obama on a bogus food-stamp coupon surrounded by ribs, watermelon and fried chicken.
• In May, Sherri Goforth, an aide to Republican state Sen. Diane Black of Tennessee, sent an e-mail to Republican staffers showing the first 43 U.S. presidents in stately poses, but Obama's image, as the 44th president, was a pair of bright white cartoonish eyes on a black background.
• In June, Diann Jones, the vice chairman of the Collin County Republican Party in Texas sent an e-mail to local Republican clubs calling a proposal for a $50 gun tax "another terrific idea from the black house and its minions."
• Also in June, South Carolina Republican activist Rusty DePass compared an escaped gorilla from a Columbia zoo to first lady Michelle Obama's ancestors.
• At an August political forum, Republican U.S. Rep. Lynn Jenkins of Kansas denied any racial intent when she said that the party was looking for a "great white hope" to lead the party into the future.

David Bositis, a senior research associate at the Joint Center for Political Studies, a public-policy research institute, said: "You have a whole bunch of incidents of that sort, and they're accelerating in their occurrences."

To many, South Carolina Republican U.S. Rep. Joe Wilson's "You lie" outburst was only the latest racially tinged episode involving the party. Bositis said that much of the antagonism came from the Southern wing of the party, in part because Obama was the first Northern Democratic president since Kennedy and because the Republican Party's Southern clout had been marginalized.

"It has been a long time since they've had such a limited influence in the U.S. Congress," Bositis said. "A number of these people have gone out of their way to diss Obama, and that's a Southern thing, it's not a black thing. But what is it about Obama that they most want to diss? A lot of it has to do with his race."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24555712.html

[SaltyTiger 7,806]

29 minutes ago, homersapien said:

No, not amazing at all.

You are the one bringing up race, not me.  I was actually thinking more of peasants marching on Frankenstein's castle. 

 

Of course Brother Homer, how stupid of me. Sorry, I do not recall peasants marching on Frankenstein's castle

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

3 hours ago, WDavE said:

Owning the Clintons just took money.....cough cough         Donations

Except a Clinton isn’t POTUS.  Funny how the same people who are so quick to scream, “She lost. Get over it.” Are the same ones who repeatedly bring her up. 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

1 hour ago, NolaAuTiger said:

None of that has to do with his successes. Risky ventures inevitably fail sometimes. That's an inherent feature in ventures of the magnitude which he partook numerous times.. Has he been criminally prosecuted for fraud? 

I’m not the one screaming that he is a success. That burden of proof is on you. I said he defrauded people and provided evidence. 

He settled in court on the university case  for $25 million, but I guess in your world innocent people will settle for that kind of money.

[metafour 4,969]

1 hour ago, GiveEmElle said:

Except a Clinton isn’t POTUS.  Funny how the same people who are so quick to scream, “She lost. Get over it.” Are the same ones who repeatedly bring her up. 

It is incredibly relevant because had she won, you wouldn't even dare to open your mouth about her obvious treasonous activity all over the world.

Had she won, would  you be complaining about Saudi Arabia buying away your government with all the money they gave her to do their bidding? 

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

1 hour ago, GiveEmElle said:

Except a Clinton isn’t POTUS.  Funny how the same people who are so quick to scream, “She lost. Get over it.” Are the same ones who repeatedly bring her up. 

Looks like a lot crap going on all over the place. Yesterday it ws the Mayor of Nashville (Dem) who admitted to an affair wth her head of security. Today at a higher level is this is this even worse stuff.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/28/some-dems-disavow-mega-donor-amid-probe-male-escort-gemmel-moore-s-death.html

[TitanTiger 20,482]

3 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

Looks like a lot crap going on all over the place. Yesterday it ws the Mayor of Nashville (Dem) who admitted to an affair wth her head of security. Today at a higher level is this is this even worse stuff.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/28/some-dems-disavow-mega-donor-amid-probe-male-escort-gemmel-moore-s-death.html

Actually the affair with the mayor of Nashville came out almost a month ago . Feb 4th was when she admitted to it publicly for the first time.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

2 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

Actually the affair with the mayor of Nashville came out almost a month ago . Feb 4th was when she admitted to it publicly for the first time.

OK thanks for that correction. I just read about it yesterday. I guess the date isn't that important though.

[TitanTiger 20,482]

2 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

OK thanks for that correction. I just read about it yesterday. I guess the date isn't that important though.

True.  The main thing isn't even the affair itself.  It's that the guy she was having the affair with ended up going on multiple trips with her at taxpayer expense (during the time the affair was happening), he racked up $170,000 in overtime pay in just the past 3 years - partly due to all the travel, and she made the unusual change for the mayor's office to approve and pay for the bodyguard to travel with her instead of the police department who had been handling it for years.

I don't expect her to last much longer before she's forced to resign.  I give it by the end of March.

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

4 hours ago, homersapien said:

Don't know about all of you, but a great many of you bear a totally irrational hatred of Obama.  I can't help but think there's not an element of racism in there somewhere.  (Consider that pictures of Obama dressed as a witch doctor were on sale at a recent CPAC.) 

Certainly there is a double standard and a lot of hypocrisy.

(And pulueeze, the uranium "issue" has been beaten to death.   You need to find a better diversionary topic. But like I said,  bringing up Obama in the context of Trump's actions is diversionary.)

Eh, Obama might as well have been white.

The context of Trump’s actions are directly related to an issue that evolved under Obama. So how can you maintain that mentioning Obama is a diversion?

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

4 hours ago, homersapien said:

Trump has consistently denied or prevaricated about Russian involvement, contradicting what every defense and intellegence agency in the government has said.

You know this.  Why make such a clueless post?   Search 'Trump denial of Russian interference' for examples.

And he doesn't need to "delegate more authority" to the NSA.  He needs to simply tell them to respond in a way Putin will understand.  Such a direct order to "attack" another country is the president's responsibility.  It's not something that should be delegated. 

He doesn’t need to tell them how to respond. Aren’t they the qualified expert agency to make such determinations? Now, if he, in his capacity as Executive, somehow perverted their capabilities... that would be different. 

Do you envision the NSA is just sitting on their hands?

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

3 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

I’m not the one screaming that he is a success. That burden of proof is on you. I said he defrauded people and provided evidence. 

He settled in court on the university case  for $25 million, but I guess in your world innocent people will settle for that kind of money.

Why do I have the burden of proof? The transactions I referred to speak for themselves. Am I suppose to pull the financial books and every agenda from every single meeting that took place? Enlighten me. That some of his ventures were not successful is not detrimental to the ones that were.