Jeff Schmedding Promoted to DC

[oracle79 3,569]

18 hours ago, W.E.D said:

Hmmm....

So Mason told Harsin he wanted to take a year off.  Harsin told him to address the team.  Harsin told all his players he wasn't taking another job and he was gonna catch his breath for a year.

Apparently the players believed him & a pretty pissed/hurt they lied to them.

Info from which rumor board/site?

[W.E.D 11,070]

20 minutes ago, oracle79 said:

Info from which rumor board/site?

Directly from players twitter accounts.  

[aubaseball 2,633]

Not sure why this is a big deal.   Coaches are always lying.   “Remove me in a pine box”, “I’m not coaching at Alabama “, the list is long of coaches saying one thing and turning around and doing something totally different 

[EagleEye67 1,943]

He did step away from coaching....he never said how long that would be

[Carnell 592]

Sure a powerhouse resume DC of FCS Eastern Washington and at Boise.  When he comes to facing SEC offenses I am sure he glad he can simply his defenses over those he had to stop those NFL offenses they run in the FCS.  Boy is this Gus 2.0.

[Hank2020 3,212]

27 minutes ago, aubaseball said:

Not sure why this is a big deal.   Coaches are always lying.   “Remove me in a pine box”, “I’m not coaching at Alabama “, the list is long of coaches saying one thing and turning around and doing something totally different 

Seems to have made an impression on the players. I’m sure didn’t bother Harsin and company.

[McLoofus 35,182]

10 minutes ago, Carnell said:

Sure a powerhouse resume DC of FCS Eastern Washington and at Boise.  When he comes to facing SEC offenses I am sure he glad he can simply his defenses over those he had to stop those NFL offenses they run in the FCS.  Boy is this Gus 2.0.

Not a whole lot going on in the SEC that is special schematically. It's mostly that we're doing it with better players. 

Not saying that Schmedding is necessarily great and I am also concerned (again, after temporarily having my concerns mitigated with the Austin Davis hire) about Harsin getting too insular with his hires. But put a lot of G5 (not FCS... ?)  coaches would do just fine dialing it up against SEC coaches if they had the same talent available. 

Having that same talent available... that's the big concern with replacing a Derek Mason with a Jeff Schmedding. We were halfway to a yes as soon as Mason sat on a recruit's sofa. Schmedding isn't going to give us that. But maybe he can get there. 

The good news is that Mason did leave a lot of talent behind and Schmed is going to have a golden opportunity to field a better defense than we've had in a couple years, show he's got the chops, and put some players in the draft. That would speak volumes to recruits.

[PoetTiger 1,899]

The guy seems like he can coach, teach and make players better. I’m curios to see how he does with access to better talent.

[Hank2020 3,212]

13 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

Not a whole lot going on in the SEC that is special schematically. It's mostly that we're doing it with better players. 

Not saying that Schmedding is necessarily great and I am also concerned (again, after temporarily having my concerns mitigated with the Austin Davis hire) about Harsin getting too insular with his hires. But put a lot of G5 (not FCS... ?)  coaches would do just fine dialing it up against SEC coaches if they had the same talent available. 

Having that same talent available... that's the big concern with replacing a Derek Mason with a Jeff Schmedding. We were halfway to a yes as soon as Mason sat on a recruit's sofa. Schmedding isn't going to give us that. But maybe he can get there. 

The good news is that Mason did leave a lot of talent behind and Schmed is going to have a golden opportunity to field a better defense than we've had in a couple years, show he's got the chops, and put some players in the draft. That would speak volumes to recruits.

Everyone started somewhere. No one started as DC at SEC. He seems to have moved forward and up (responsibility) at each move except when he followed Harsin to a position coach from DC at BSU.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

Bottomline is we now have both OC and DC who are not yet SEC proven with experience. Time will tell and I hope it works out for everyone. There are many cases where it has and has not.  

[PoetTiger 1,899]

Just teach em how to tackle the other guy coach. 

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,683]

4 hours ago, McLoofus said:

At this point, I'm willing to believe that Schmedding will be a more valuable game day coach. But that really, truly doesn't matter if we don't get the talent, and it is unlikely that we didn't just downgrade significantly in that area. 

This is akin to when Muschamp and TRob left, except there's no Super Rodney to save the day. 

I get that, but all it’s going to result in is mass attrition if we got another legitimately proven coordinator and he left after having a spat with this guy. Some folks are just not able to work with everyone, and I don’t think we should just keep digging through options that should work when we have one that will work. Recruiting may suck, but at least the guys that’ll come will be assured of continuity 

I dunno, we’re pretty much nearing lose-lose territory with this flurry of coaching replacements. I certainly don’t have the answers on what to do 😂 Just trying to be an optimist

[McLoofus 35,182]

2 minutes ago, Dual-Threat Rigby said:

I get that, but all it’s going to result in is mass attrition if we got another legitimately proven coordinator and he left after having a spat with this guy. Some folks are just not able to work with everyone, and I don’t think we should just keep digging through options that should work when we have one that will work. Recruiting may suck, but at least the guys that’ll come will be assured of continuity 

I dunno, we’re pretty much nearing lose-lose territory with this flurry of coaching replacements. I certainly don’t have the answers on what to do 😂 Just trying to be an optimist

Yep. That's pretty much the long and short of it.

Hopefully Austin Davis buys all the way in and gives us a lift. 

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,683]

I will say, if Mason took it on himself to either lie or not tell the whole truth, and didn’t just say “yeah I just don’t like your head coach”, I do think he helped immensely there. For the core that does want to be here, I don’t think they need to have one small camp of players dissing the HC and then having a coach leave right after that.

not saying he’s a martyr, but that’s how I’ve viewed what’s occurred 

Edited January 27, 2022 by Dual-Threat Rigby

[augolf1716 21,231]

1 hour ago, aubaseball said:

Not sure why this is a big deal.   Coaches are always lying.   “Remove me in a pine box”, “I’m not coaching at Alabama “, the list is long of coaches saying one thing and turning around and doing something totally different 

Agree but Mason went out of his way that he wanted to address the players he was taking a break from college and would only accept a pro job. Then a few days later on to Okie St. Players are pissed rightly so

[Tiger Refuge 6,671]

6 minutes ago, augolf1716 said:

Agree but Mason went out of his way that he wanted to address the players he was taking a break from college and would only accept a pro job. Then a few days later on to Okie St. Players are pissed rightly so

Yeah, it’s not a great look for Mason. Hell, according to reports, before Eason left, he confided in his players about it and got their feedback. 

Edited January 27, 2022 by Tiger Refuge

[AUDaddio 79]

Long time reader and obvious never posted.  But reading the negativity of this board is sad when we have not even given these coaches a chance.  Here is what I do know and it took my son pointing it out.  Coach Harsin did everything he said he was going to accomplish this year.  He said at the beginning he was going to do the following:

1.) Change the culture ( I think he is well on his way to doing this whether we like the direction or not, it is changing)

2.) He guaranteed that we may not win every game, but we would certainly be in every game.  I cannot think of a single game this past season that we did not have a chance to win. Which has not been true in the last several years.  

Are there things I wish were different? Absolutely

Did I like the slide we went down on those final games? Absolutely not.

Do I like all of his choices from my perspective? No

Do I like where we are on OL recruiting/transfers? No

However, if he has done everything he said he was going to do in year 1.  I feel he deserves our respect to trust his process and see where it leads us.  Let's give the man the rope to do what he needs to do to make us a winning team.

There were a couple of years I scratched my head with Coach Pearl and look where we are today.

[SRBautigerfan 1,040]

1 minute ago, Tiger Refuge said:

Yeah, it’s not a great look for Mason. Hell, according to reports, before Eason left, he confided in his players about it and got their feedback. 

Man, that’s crappy.  Hopefully, this staff gels, they’re effective and some continuity can be established. 

[Carnell 592]

4 hours ago, McLoofus said:

Not a whole lot going on in the SEC that is special schematically. It's mostly that we're doing it with better players. 

Not saying that Schmedding is necessarily great and I am also concerned (again, after temporarily having my concerns mitigated with the Austin Davis hire) about Harsin getting too insular with his hires. But put a lot of G5 (not FCS... ?)  coaches would do just fine dialing it up against SEC coaches if they had the same talent available. 

Having that same talent available... that's the big concern with replacing a Derek Mason with a Jeff Schmedding. We were halfway to a yes as soon as Mason sat on a recruit's sofa. Schmedding isn't going to give us that. But maybe he can get there. 

The good news is that Mason did leave a lot of talent behind and Schmed is going to have a golden opportunity to field a better defense than we've had in a couple years, show he's got the chops, and put some players in the draft. That would speak volumes to recruits.

Don't disagree with most of what you are saying but the SEC as well as most teams in the power 5 conferences during blocking run twists which is not seen in the lesser conferences.  In addition, Bama runs timing routes which is not seen in the FCS and the PSU clearing routes that was run against us is not seen in the FCS.  I have only seen north Dokato state run misdirection.  In fact, Harsins now that he is at Auburn probably should have run some of these schemes especially misdirection considering the problems with our OL

[McLoofus 35,182]

3 minutes ago, Carnell said:

Don't disagree with most of what you are saying but the SEC as well as most teams in the power 5 conferences during blocking run twists which is not seen in the lesser conferences.  In addition, Bama runs timing routes which is not seen in the FCS and the PSU clearing routes that was run against us is not seen in the FCS.  I have only seen north Dokato state run misdirection.  In fact, Harsins now that he is at Auburn probably should have run some of these schemes especially misdirection considering the problems with our OL

But Schmedding isn't coming from FCS. He's coming from one of the top G5 FBS programs.

[boisnumber1 2,819]

3 hours ago, augolf1716 said:

Agree but Mason went out of his way that he wanted to address the players he was taking a break from college and would only accept a pro job. Then a few days later on to Okie St. Players are pissed rightly so

Sounds like the typical huge ego coach.

[augolf1716 21,231]

1 hour ago, boisnumber1 said:

Sounds like the typical huge ego coach.

I don't know but its a strange thing to do

 

[steeleagle 2,945]

On 1/27/2022 at 12:22 AM, Dual-Threat Rigby said:

Harsin might be very unlikeable (I dunno) but he does have have a known commodity that DOES like him. Might as well have that guy at DC.

 

idk if there’s value in getting someone that’s way better if they don’t work with the HC

That could have been the problem w ex HCs becoming coordinators right after their firings(Mason and Bobo). 
Add in a strongminded Boss in Harsin and he didn’t get what he expected out of them so he told them to go. 

[aucom96 1,625]

All of Harsin's moves post-season point to a quite long-term rebuild and a Malzahn-era level learning curve. It's a heck of a gamble to make in this league, but again...maybe Auburn is backing him in this. We'll find out, but I suspect we've got some growing pains ahead of us we haven't felt in a long time. 

[Gowebb11 9,345]

19 hours ago, Carnell said:

Sure a powerhouse resume DC of FCS Eastern Washington and at Boise.  When he comes to facing SEC offenses I am sure he glad he can simply his defenses over those he had to stop those NFL offenses they run in the FCS.  Boy is this Gus 2.0.

On the other hand Bo Pelini and Todd Grantham have extensive SEC experience yet both were fired for being bad at their job. No reason Schmedding shouldn’t have his shot.