i love this cat.he gets it..........

[aubiefifty 17,492]

 

[aubiefifty 17,492]

How about you haters coming at me HERE  if you do not care what i have to say on the political boards and not jump me out of the blue on it on a sports thread? can we do that?

[I_M4_AU 8,600]

The leading cause of death in children, by far, is abortion.

[aubiefifty 17,492]

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

The leading cause of death in children, by far, is abortion.

prove it. because everyone is now saying it is the number one killer of kids in america. but you either deflect or miss the point. the bottom line is most of you value being able to carry assault rifles over kids lives. and you prove it every single day. you guys have one person i know of fighting for saner laws but i cannot remember his name. as an aside go watch the video access on our new QB. it is very good and i am impressed.

[aubiefifty 17,492]

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

The leading cause of death in children, by far, is abortion.

you sir are wrong. take your pick and google those articles. i apologize for being bad with links. but you are worng and it would be nice to see you admit it for a change.

 

 

 

Firearms are the Leading Cause of Death for Children in ...

 

Kaiser Family Foundation

https://www.kff.org › health-reform › press-release › f...

 

 

 

Jul 8, 2022 — Guns – including accidental deaths, suicides, and homicides – killed 4,357 children (ages 1-19 years old) in the United States in 2020, or ...

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  Child and Teen Firearm Mortality in the U.S. and Peer ...

  https://www.kff.org › global-health-policy › issue-brief

   

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  Jul 8, 2022 — Firearms recently became the number one cause of death for children in the United States, surpassing motor vehicle deaths and those caused ...

 

Keeping Score: Guns Are the Leading Cause of Child ...

 

Ms. Magazine

https://msmagazine.com › 2022/06/08 › keeping-score...

 

 

 

Jun 8, 2022 — Feminist news roundup: women's rights in Ukraine; trans women in sports; June marks Pride Month; Oklahoma's extreme abortion ban; and more.

 

 

Guns have become the top injury-related cause of death for ...

 

Axios

https://www.axios.com › Health

 

 

 

May 26, 2022 — Why it matters: The firearm death rate among children is steadily rising, as more kids are involved in gun-related homicides like Tuesday's mass ...

 

 

As anti-abortion activists claim 'the sanctity of life' justifies ...

 

The Philadelphia Inquirer

https://www.inquirer.com › opinion › gun-violence-cd...

 

 

 

May 5, 2022 — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently announced that gun violence has become the leading cause of death in children.

 

 

 

[I_M4_AU 8,600]

9 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

you sir are wrong

Number, Ratio and Rate of Reported Induced Abortions
United States, 1980 - 2019

Year	Guttmacher Abortion Estimates			CDC Abortion Surveillance System
	Induced Abortions	Ratio	Rate	Induced Abortions	Ratio	Rate
1980	1,545,170	428	28	1,297,606	359	25
1985	1,578,800	420	28	1,328,570	353	24
1990	---	---	---	1,429,247	344	24
1991	1,549,180	377	26	1,388,937	338	24
1992	1,520,810	374	26	1,359,146	334	23
1993	---	---	---	1,330,414	333	23
1994	1,423,000	360	24	1,267,415	321	21
1995	1,359,400	349	23	1,210,883	311	20
1996	1,360,200	350	22	1,225,937	315	21
1997	1,335,000	344	22	1,186,039	306	20
1998	1,319,000	335	22	884,273	264	17
1999	1,314,800	332	21	861,789	256	17
2000	1,313,000	323	21	857,475	245	16
2001	1,291,000	321	21	853,485	246	16
2002	1,269,000	316	21	854,122	250	16
2003	1,250,000	306	20	848,163	245	16
2004	1,216,050	296	20	839,226	241	16
2005	1,198,960	290	19	820,151	236	16
2006	1,242,000	291	20	852,385	233	16
2007	1,202,960	279	19	827,609	226	16
2008	1,212,350	225	19	825,564	229	16
2009	1,151,600	279	19	789,217	225	15
2010	1,102,670	276	18	765,651	225	15
2011	1,058,490	268	17	730,322	217	14
2012	1,011,000	256	16	699,202	208	13
2013	958,700	244	15	664,435	198	13
2014	926,190	232	15	652,639	192	12
2015	899,500	226	14	638,169	188	12
2016	874,100	220	14	623,471	186	12
2017	862,300	219	14	612,719	185	11
2018	---	---	---	619,591	189	11
2019	---	---	---	629,898	195	11

 

Note: The ratio is the number of reported induced abortions per 1,000 live births. The rate is the number of reported induced abortions per 1,000 women aged 15-44 years. https://www.mdch.state.mi.us/osr/abortion/Tab_US.asp That would be 4,357 to 629,898.  I would believe you are wrong.

[aubiefifty 17,492]

24 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

May 5, 2022 — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently announced that gun violence has become the leading cause of death in children.

pardon me if i take the Cdcp's word over yours. the article included abortion. one of those headlines did in fact so sorry i will not agree.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

The leading cause of death in children, by far, is abortion.

That is a lie.  You cannot create your own definition of the word,,, child.

When you reduce what it means to be a human being to the microbiological level,,, you destroy what it actually means to be human.  I believe your agenda is purely political, not humanitarian.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

Those who truly want to minimize abortion will argue for social programs like: child care, healthcare, food assistance, affordable housing.

They certainly do not support the idea by advocating for guns.  That is an absurdity.

[I_M4_AU 8,600]

Just now, icanthearyou said:

That is a lie.  You cannot create your own definition of the word,,, child.

When you reduce what it means to be a human being to the microbiological level,,, you destroy what it actually means to be human.  I believe your agenda is purely political, not humanitarian.

If left alone would a fetus become a child?  I’m not the one who is reducing what it means to be human, I feel for human life, you must believe if it isn’t outside the womb it is microbiological.  That is reducing what it means to be human to it’s lowest form.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

Just now, I_M4_AU said:

If left alone would a fetus become a child?

Well, at least you now admit that a clump of dividing cells is not yet a child.  Abortion is a humane way to remove a clump of unwanted dividing cells.  Doing nothing but using the force of law to make sure we have a population of resentful parents and, unwanted children is highly inhumane.  It will also create a miserable, inefficient, unproductive society.

The solution lies in compassion, empathy, humanity, not the force of law.

[I_M4_AU 8,600]

8 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

Well, at least you now admit that a clump of dividing cells is not yet a child.  Abortion is a humane way to remove a clump of unwanted dividing cells.  Doing nothing but using the force of law to make sure we have a population of resentful parents and, unwanted children is highly inhumane.  It will also create a miserable, inefficient, unproductive society.

The solution lies in compassion, empathy, humanity, not the force of law.

There is so much wrong with this post, I don’t know where to start.

What makes the clump of cells unwanted?  It surely isn’t the clump of cells that wants to be terminated. What was the norm before there was safe, legal and rare?  I don’t recall the population being made up of resentful parents.  People used to take responsibility for their actions, but since safe, legal and rare was a substitute for birth control people give little regard for human life especially if it is inconvenient to have a child.

Where is the compassion for the child that is sucked out of the woman’s womb?  Is there any empath for the humanity lost due to a woman’s self centered decision to abort?  The law did not force a woman to get pregnant, the was her decision.

Abortions have decreased since 1980 and this is a good thing and I would guess abortions to decrease even further in the coming years.  Do you want the rate to increase so we have less miserable, inefficient and unproductive people in the world?  Why would you assume the children being aborted are going to be worthless.  What a horrible way of looking at the world.

[creed 1,728]

32 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

Well, at least you now admit that a clump of dividing cells is not yet a child.  Abortion is a humane way to remove a clump of unwanted dividing cells.  Doing nothing but using the force of law to make sure we have a population of resentful parents and, unwanted children is highly inhumane.  It will also create a miserable, inefficient, unproductive society.

The solution lies in compassion, empathy, humanity, not the force of law.

I agree with your assertion to a certain point. So a question. When does your compassion, empathy, humanity shift to the unborn?

[icanthearyou 4,468]

1 minute ago, I_M4_AU said:

It surely isn’t the clump of cells that wants to be terminated.

A clump of dividing cells has no wants, no feelings, no desires, no brain activity

 

2 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Where is the compassion for the child that is sucked out of the woman’s womb?

Yes.  There is no unwanted child to be neglected, unloved, unwanted.

 

4 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Why would you assume the children being aborted are going to be worthless.

I do not.  However, you cannot refuse to acknowledge data, statistics.  Without social benevolence, the probability of outcome is not good.

 

Again,,, your argument is political.  It lacks any real sense of humanity.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

3 minutes ago, creed said:

I agree with your assertion to a certain point. So a question. When does your compassion, empathy, humanity shift to the unborn?

Higher brain function begins at 12-16 weeks.   16 weeks. 

[creed 1,728]

1 minute ago, icanthearyou said:

Higher brain function begins at 12-16 weeks.   16 weeks. 

I suppose that means you do not support abortion after the first trimester unless the life of the mother or the child abnormality exists. 

Correct? 

[creed 1,728]

I'd like add an opinion. Most people relate abortion to the female and think she is weak for seeking one. But I contend that abortion is much more a male issue. We have, and are raising, weak men in our society. A lot of this is centered around weak men who decide to divorce and break up their families, or raise their kids with low morals and lack of respect for women. I know I may be stepping on some toes here, but I believe a strong, loving, nuclear family, with a strong father is the cornerstone of any society.

To summarize, weak men are the root cause of abortions.

Edited May 6, 2023 by creed

[DKW 86 7,727]

4 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

 

Now cue the dismissals of everything JS ever said in life because he now believes that the natural origin of Covid-19 is just insane. No one, not even JS is allowed to have their own opinion about anything that the Hive-Mind says is verboten. It just cant happen...

Edited May 6, 2023 by DKW 86

[jj3jordan 2,125]

2 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

Well, at least you now admit that a clump of dividing cells is not yet a child.  Abortion is a humane way to remove a clump of unwanted dividing cells.  Doing nothing but using the force of law to make sure we have a population of resentful parents and, unwanted children is highly inhumane.  It will also create a miserable, inefficient, unproductive society.

The solution lies in compassion, empathy, humanity, not the force of law.

Jesus, your Savior, communicated with John the Baptist while they were both in the wombs of Mary and her cousin Elizabeth.  Maybe you should reconsider your attack on human life and the sanctity that Jesus brought to that life. 

[I_M4_AU 8,600]

2 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

A clump of dividing cells has no wants, no feelings, no desires, no brain activity

2 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

Higher brain function begins at 12-16 weeks.   16 weeks. 

There are states that have the heart beat law and that is usually 6 weeks or so.  This would indicate some brain activity.  You mentioned 16 weeks, but really didn't answer Creed’s question.  Would you be alright with a 15 week abortion ban or are you one of those that want the woman to be able to decide if they want to abort the child up until the moment of birth?

2 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

I do not.  However, you cannot refuse to acknowledge data, statistics.  Without social benevolence, the probability of outcome is not good.

 

Again,,, your argument is political.  It lacks any real sense of humanity.

Your first statement here indicates you would look to statistical data to abort a child as they would need benevolence by society to survive.  Your next statement accuses me of being political.  I believe I am more concerned with the welfare of the unborn and you are being more political. 

[I_M4_AU 8,600]

 

 

[icanthearyou 4,468]

6 hours ago, creed said:

I'd like add an opinion. Most people relate abortion to the female and think she is weak for seeking one. But I contend that abortion is much more a male issue. We have, and are raising, weak men in our society. A lot of this is centered around weak men who decide to divorce and break up their families, or raise their kids with low morals and lack of respect for women. I know I may be stepping on some toes here, but I believe a strong, loving, nuclear family, with a strong father is the cornerstone of any society.

To summarize, weak men are the root cause of abortions.

Disagree.  I think we all play a part in the problem, all of us.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

20 hours ago, creed said:

I suppose that means you do not support abortion after the first trimester unless the life of the mother or the child abnormality exists. 

Correct? 

I support the idea that abortion should be legal up to 16 weeks, longer if the health of the mother is at risk, the fetus becomes non viable or severely deformed.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

15 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

 

 

The problem in our time is the refusal to acknowledge the greater responsibility to society, to humanity.

[I_M4_AU 8,600]

2 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

The problem in our time is the refusal to acknowledge the greater responsibility to society, to humanity.

Typical Marxist response.  Society is made up of humanity and it is the responsibility of humanity to be responsible for society to work.